With Justice Department investigators’ noses to the ground, it should be just a matter of time before they identify Brennan as fabricator-in-chief of the Russiagate story, says Ray McGovern.
By Ray McGovern
Special to Consortium News
The New York Times Thursday morning has bad news for one of its favorite anonymous sources, former CIA Director John Brennan.
The Times reports that the Justice Department plans to interview senior CIA officers to focus on the allegation that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered Russian intelligence to intervene in the 2016 election to help Donald J. Trump. DOJ investigators will be looking for evidence to support that remarkable claim that Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s final report failed to establish.
Despite the collusion conspiracy theory having been put to rest, many Americans, including members of Congress, right and left, continue to accept the evidence-impoverished, media-cum-“former-intelligence-officer” meme that the Kremlin interfered massively in the 2016 presidential election.
One cannot escape the analogy with the fraudulent evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. As in 2002 and 2003, when the mania for the invasion of Iraq mounted, Establishment media have simply regurgitated what intelligence sources like Brennan told them about Russia-gate.
No one batted an eye when Brennan told a House committee in May 2017, “I don’t do evidence.”
Leak Not Hack
As we Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity have warned numerous times over the past two plus years, there is no reliable forensic evidence to support the story that Russia hacked into the DNC. Moreover, in a piece I wrote in May, “Orwellian Cloud Hovers Over Russia-gate,” I again noted that accumulating forensic evidence from metadata clearly points to an inside DNC job — a leak, not a hack, by Russia or anyone else.
So Brennan and his partners, FBI Director James Comey and National Intelligence Director James Clapper were making stuff up and feeding thin but explosive gruel to the hungry stenographers that pass today for Russiagate obsessed journalists.
Is the Jig Up?
With Justice Department investigators’ noses to the ground, it should be just a matter of time before they identify Brennan conclusively as fabricator-in-chief of the Russiagate story. Evidence, real evidence in this case, abounds, since the Brennan-Comey-Clapper gang of three were sure Hillary Clinton would become president. Consequently, they did not perform due diligence to hide their tracks.
Worse still, intelligence analysts tend to hang onto instructions and terms of reference handed down to them by people like Brennan and his top lieutenants. It will not be difficult for CIA analysts to come up with documents to support the excuse: “Brennan made me do it.”
The Times article today betrays some sympathy and worry over what may be in store for Brennan, one of its favorite sons and (anonymous) sources, as well as for those he suborned into making up stuff about the Russians.
The DOJ inquiry, says the Times, “has provoked anxiety in the ranks of the C.I.A., according to former officials. Senior agency officials have questioned why the C.I.A.’s analytical work should be subjected to a federal prosecutor’s scrutiny.” Attorney General William Barr is overseeing the review but has assigned the U.S. attorney in Connecticut, John Durham, to conduct it.
No Holds Barred
Barr is approaching this challenge with a resoluteness and a calm candor rarely seen in Washington — particularly when it comes to challenging those who run the intelligence agencies.
The big question, once again, is whether President Donald Trump will follow his customary practice of reining in subordinates at the last minute, lest they cross the vindictive and still powerful members of the Deep State.
Happily, at least for those interested in the truth, some of the authors of the rump, misnomered “Intelligence Community Assessment” commissioned by Obama, orchestrated by Brennan-Clapper-Comey, and published on January 6, 2017 will now be interviewed. The ICA is the document still widely cited as showing that the “entire intelligence community agreed” on the Russia-gate story, but this is far from the case. As Clapper has admitted, that “assessment” was drafted by “handpicked analysts” from just three of the 17 intelligence agencies — CIA, FBI, and NSA.
U.S. Attorney Durham would do well to also check with analysts in agencies — like the Defense Intelligence Agency and State Department Intelligence, as to why they believe they were excluded. The ICA on Russian interference is as inferior an example of intelligence analysis as I have ever seen. Since virtually all of the hoi aristoi and the media swear by it, I did an assessment of the Assessment on its second anniversary. I wrote:
“Under a media drumbeat of anti-Russian hysteria, credulous Americans were led to believe that Donald Trump owed his election victory to the president of Russia, whose “influence campaign” according to theTimesquoting the intelligence report,helped “President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton.”
Hard evidence supporting the media and political rhetoric has been as elusive as proof of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq in 2002-2003. This time, though, an alarming increase in the possibility of war with nuclear-armed Russia has ensued — whether by design, hubris, or rank stupidity. The possible consequences for the world are even more dire than 16 years of war and destruction in the Middle East. …
The Defense Intelligence Agency should have been included, particularly since it has considerable expertise on the G.R.U., the Russian military intelligence agency, which has been blamed for Russian hacking of the DNC emails. But DIA, too, has an independent streak and, in fact, is capable of reaching judgments Clapper would reject as anathema. Just one year before Clapper decided to do the rump “Intelligence Community Assessment,” DIA had formally blessed the following heterodox idea in its “December 2015 National Security Strategy”:
“The Kremlin is convinced the United States is laying the groundwork for regime change in Russia, a conviction further reinforced by the events in Ukraine. Moscow views the United States as the critical driver behind the crisis in Ukraine and believes that the overthrow of former Ukrainian President Yanukovych is the latest move in a long-established pattern of U.S.-orchestrated regime change efforts.”
Any further questions as to why the Defense Intelligence Agency was kept away from the ICA drafting table?
Ray McGovern works with Tell the Word, a publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour in inner-city Washington. During his 27 years as a CIA analyst, he was Chief of the Soviet Foreign Policy Branch, and preparer/briefer of the President’s Daily Brief. He is co-founder of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS).
What a true blessing to the world that Robert Parry is dead.
Two of my older brothers fought the enemy-de jour in Vietnam, 1967-1968. Both survived. Is this what they were fighting for – Russiagate and Deep-Stategate? From the Superman T.V. serial we get the slogan “Truth, Justice, and the American Way”. Since when have these three concepts been found among the higher echelons of our benevolent masters in Washington?
Barr. Resoluteness and and calm candor. Challenging those who run the intelligence agencies. Thanks for the funniest shit I heard all year. It made a caper from lunch get sucked up my nose. I can feel it but I can’t reach it. Do I try to blow it out, or will that ram it up there worse?
Barr. Son of the guy who hired ace CIA pedo blackmailer Jeffrey Epstein at Dalton. With no degree. You know, Epstein, who, with no help from OSS emeritus Barr, parlayed his ninja Algebra-II-and-Trig fu into a job at Bear Stears (because high school math is the same as Gaussian copulas, right?) and then, landing on his feet after Bear Stearns’ historic cluster fuck, used his massive Bear Stearns bankruptacy cred to run a “billion dollar minimum” hedge fund. And pimp out twelve-year-olds to VIPs CIA needs to blackmail. Until he got like 12 minutes in jail for it.
This is how stoopit they think you are. Barr is CIA nomenklatura, patrimonially trusted with CIA’s dirtiest, filthiest, sickest business. And this is the easiest whitwash he ever did.
That was a good one. Every now and then some choice morsels of truth bubble up to the surface. Thanks for that.
In fact, it is Ray McGovern and his anti-Russiagate compatriots who sound like the people who promoted the 2003 Iraq War.
– Absolutist comments and opinions, combined with dismissive, derogatory or innuendo-filled claims about those who disagree.
– Hyping of handful of flimsy, poorly sourced materials (like the Forensicator/VIPS memo) as certain proof that demands action, while dismissing counter-narrative evidence out-of-han.
– Evidence free claims of unspecified but innuendo-laden coordination, between Iraq and Al Qaeda in 2003, between Comey, Brennan and Clapper here.
“Hard evidence supporting the media and political rhetoric has been as elusive as proof of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq in 2002-2003.” FALSE
There was lots of evidence that Russia massively interfered with the 2016 election.
– We have audit reports and even code samples from the DNC hack from Crowdstrike and a variety of the other non-government security firms (coss-validating each other) that indicate strongly that Russia stole the Wiki-leaked files.
– We have publicly verifiable info that DCleaks and some of the other posting sites used Russia-controlled Bitcoin to pay for the sites.
– We have Facebook and independent third-parties implicating Russia in largely anti-HRC propaganda campaigns (in addition to non-candidate specific unrest campaigns.)
We had none of this in the 2003 pro-WMD argument.
Crowdstrike? That’s a firm chosen by Hillary Clinton to examine the DNC server, which the DNC prevented the FBI from examining. Crowdstrike is inherently connected to the anti Russia Atlantic Council. Dmitri Alperovitch, Crowdstrike co-founder and CTO, is a Senior Fellow at the Atlantic Council.
The founder and CEO of Crowdstrike, Shawn Henry, was Mueller’s deputy for counterintelligence at the FBI.
https://medium.com/@markfmccarty/muellers-new-indictment-do-the-feds-take-us-for-idiots-5406ef955406 … …
The Facebook postings were a laugh. They were posted as click-bait in a lame money-making scheme. Half of the ads were after the election and the total monetary amount was laughable.
Russiagate cultists insult voters who followed Hillary Clinton’s disastrous record of regime change, corruption, lies and NeoLiberal rigged trade agreements.
1. Crowdstrike’s work for the DNC was publicly published and verified by other IT security firms.
2. Crowdstrike is a bipartisan organization. The Republican party also hired them recently to investigate hacks of their systems.
3. Crowdstrike’s work for the DNC was a TINY part of their business. Unless you got REAL EVIDENCE that they falsified or fabricated anything, all your innuendos about them risking $100million banking and commercial business minor political issue are just that – innuendos.
4. Where did you get “firm chosen by Hillary Clinton to examine the DNC server”? I have seen NOTHING to indicate Clinton was involved with the selection. Show evidence, or withdraw that claim.
It’s well known that the DNC hired CrowdStrike to examine the server that FBI Director Comey chose not to examine.
Everyone knows Hillary Clinton controlled the DNC. Google that, also. HRC took total control of the DNC in June of 2015:
It’s irrelevant what % of Crowdstrike’s total business was represented by its work for the DNC.
If Crowdstrike is bipartisan, that is also irrelevant. NeoCons dominate both parties. Victoria Nuland, arch NeoCon, is a perfect example. She was the Asst Secy of State for Europe under Obama, but had previously worked alongside Cheney. War profiteering is BiPartisan.
Everybody knows you love me baby
Who is “Everybody”?
Everybody knows that you really do
Everybody knows that you been faithful
Give or take a night or two
Everybody knows you been discrete
So many people you had to meet
Without your clothes- Leonard Cohen
“HRC took total control of the DNC in June of 2015” – FALSE, and easily demonstrated to be false.
– Wikileaks dumped almost every email and working document the DNC had.
– If HRC has taken total control of the DNC, extensive evidence of HRC controlling the DNC WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE.
– Instead, all Wikileask showed was some bottom-up snark about Sanders by
a handful of DNC workers. Basicly nothing.
Yes, HRC, COULD HAVE exerted more control over the DNC, because she bailed them out in 2015. But she didn’t.
Crowdstrike is that a new Federal Investigative Agency? Can you point us to legislation that has authorized them to be an investigative agency of the US government?
Or are they just a bunch of formet Spooks making millions pushing an agenda.
Crowdstrike is a technical vendor for the FBI. Has been for a while. And their reports are admissible in court.
Crowdstrike is headed by Mueller’s former FBI buddy. If you are looking for evidence of collusion, or dare I say treason, I would begin with Crowdstrike, the Clinton Servers and the FBI investigation under Comey.
Again, Crowdstrike criticism that is all innuendo. You offer no actually evidence of their malfeasance, only “this-guy-knew-that-guy” hints that contain nothing but innuendo.
I guess someone should tell trump and Giuliani to stop admitting they colluded with Russia…
The same spineless Justice Department that let Microsoft go scot-free after Bush became president? With 90% of home computers in the entire world running Windows, and with Microsoft Office the default office suite, thanks in no small part to Microsoft’s anti-competitive bully tactics, the incompetence of the Justice Department is a danger not only to 300 million US citizens, but the citizens of every other developed country in the world. And it’s going to get worse when support for Windows 7 (which I’m typing this on) gets discontinued next year.
American troll farms in overdrive in the comments here. I love this idiot posting a link to DHS over and over ago as if that helps make what they say true. Watch out, Consortium News. I have a feeling these lowlifes will try to hack the site again. Anything to suppress truth here in the Land Of The Free!
They can investigate all they want, but if ppl don’t see justice what good is it?
Yes, I think the author is correct.
After all, Brennan’s efforts along these lines would only be supporting the general American establishment intense dislike of Russia.
Perhaps, dislike is too mild a word.
America’s establishment just cannot get over the fact that there actually is a nation out there that would be able to obliterate the United States, China, given its greater distances and far fewer missiles (so far) not yet being in a position to do that.
An intense coloration is given to the imperial prejudice too by all those decades of hysterical Cold War, anti-Russian propaganda.
Everyone was affected, and the effects linger like toxic sludge buried just beneath the surface in a hundred places, no effort ever having been made to clean-up American thinking and prejudices the way postwar Germany worked on that nation’s thinking and prejudices.
So, it is a handy tool sitting on the shelf, ready to employ in matters like this, as well as others., as we see in all matters regarding Ukraine over Putin’s calm and reasonable approach to an ugly, paid-for American coup on a major Russian border.
Russia simply is America’s Carthage, a view supported by countless anecdotes and statements and activities.
Brennan, being a partisan of Hillary Clinton, likely felt he couldn’t go wrong tying an attack on Trump into Washington’s prevailing ethos.
And for quite a while, he proved right.
Ironically, what Trump has come around to representing is almost Hillary on steroids.
He has worked to protect himself from impeachment and other threats by embracing the most extreme American neocon and establishment views.
So, in a very real sense, Brennan and his ugly crowd won.
Brennan started Russiagate principally because he was enraged that Russia was ruining his and Clinton’s attempted Syria regime change. It was Obama CIA director Brennan who created the CIA’s Operation Timber Sycamore, which gave $1 billion per year for 5 years to “moderate rebels” aka terrorists in Syria (who traveled there from all over the world) to foment chaos, death, and destruction in Syria, to try to topple its democratically-elected president. Both Brennan and Clinton started their anti-Russia rhetoric well before election 2016. Clinton expected to win. Her proposed No Fly Zones in Syria would have precipitated a hot war with Russia, which she and Brennan arguably wanted. The anti Russia propaganda conditioned the public for their escalated aggression against Russia. But we’re getting that now, anyway, since Trump seems to have totally caved to the Deep State, and Dems and NeoCons won’t stop until Trump initiates nuclear war.
Of course you should see what is right in front of you. Brennan and 2 CIA Associates conspired with members of the Russian Intelligence Services to produce the dossier and later handed it off to Steele to inject it into American Presidential Campaign of 2016. The arrangements were made during a trip Brennan took to Moscow when he met with a co-conspirator and the agreement was reached. The deal was simple smear Donald Trump and after Clinton`s election the U.S. would back off of certain positions and work with the Russians on certain problems jointly. The problem for Brennan is a tape exists of the conversation between Brennan and his Russian counterpart that was created by the Russian Intelligence group and now that tape has made its way to America and is ready to be exposed. The fourth of July will be very special this year.
I am sitting here after reading a great article detailing the highly questionable “assertions” of US intelligence officials regarding alleged “Russian interference” in the 2016 election, yet predictably the comment section has turned into a partisan dog fight. This is bigger than politics. Donald Trump and his democratic opposition are just frauds representing different factions of the power establishment. Neither Trump nor the Democrats are worth defending. However, escalating tension with the other global nuclear superpower is not a partisan issue. It requires rational analysis and a clear understanding of consequences of the current allegations and how they relate to furthering global tensions and curtailing domestic freedoms. It requires mature analysis and not this juvenile partisan circus which it has become.
Jayhawk unfortunately it is ever thus. The partisans insist “If you’re not with us you’re against us” and not swallowing their party line, whatever it is, is in their minds a declaration of war. One can dislike Trump and still not buy this bogus investigation.
Watch The Good Shepherd, then, Tinker, Tailor, Soldier Spy……This crisis easily points to Brennan from the Get Go!
I secretly hoped these where the bread crumbs Comey wanted to leave that were found.
Clapper I have no clue, accept he has a wonderful “Fumbler” quality while he lies to you or spy’s on you.
If I die in the next 5 years please consider these statements.
We can already trace the outline of Durham’s whitewash. He’s going to interview CIA’s counterintelligence liaison with FBI. It’s going to be some clueless boy scout. All the coordination between FBI Gestapo and CIA ratfuckers was carried out through dotted-line reports and eyes-only intelligence liaison agreements.
Putin publicly declared he wanted Trump to win.
The cyber experts pinpointed tge source of dnc server hacker.
Benhgazi was investigated 10/15 time BY REPUBLICANS could not find anything
One sure way of putting this to rwst is for trump to release his taxes.which he wont
IQ of 65
Ignorance….off the scale
Hillary is that you?
How can you say ANY of that with a straight face?
Putin pointedly refused to state a preference for either candidate though the US media pressed him constantly.
The actual “experts” did no such thing, moreover, they said it was a leak, not a hack.
Found nothing other than the US embassy was overseeing gunrunning of Gadaffi’s arsenal to ISIS in Syria.
Everybody knows, Trump is a swindler par excellence, just like the Clinton’s. Nothing to choose from there.
Go back to playing with your little friends.
Hmm, a fair number of Langley trolls posting here the past couple of days. Ray must have some detractors in the agency who don’t like him going after their favorite “patriot” John Brennan, though Scorched Earth Johnnie will be the death of the planet if not brought to justice. It’s sad how much disinformation still gets recruited in the service of evil.
Gentlemen bet. Your we dream never happens.
Hey Trump suckers. Wake up!
Hey Kate! Whatever your point is regarding the DHS, try to keep up! Read the Wikileaks Vault 7 release and learn the masking tricks the CIA uses to make you think (Cyrillic text) it originated in Russia. O.K.?
First of all, Ray McGovern is no Trump fan. Secondly, your link does not include a shred of evidence. The logical fallacy you are guilty of is called “argumentum ad verecundiam”, or “appeal to authority”. From the number of times you’ve posted it, you must think the DHS is chock full of knights in shining armor.
I suggest you spend some time delving into the history of False flags and other psy-ops that our so called “intelligence” agencies have guilty of through the years. You might pick up a book on logic while you’re at it.
Ray,never happen !Barr specialty is coverup! He was disciple of bush 41. No one is deep state than barr,. Mark my word s ray!
Sure, but that obstruction, 10,000 lies, and assaults of women no biggie.
Brennan needs to dangle from the highest tree in Washington.
So homeland security says it looks like it could be the Russians. Well done. Now sit down stupid.
You are discpicable.
Another opportunity to conjure barrels and bad apples to deflect systemic enquiry.
Another opportunity to enhance “we-ness” as opposed to the other.
Another opportunity for spectacles of “rule of law”.
May 19, 2010 Obama advisor John Brennan speaks about the beauty of Islam
While I also find Brennan to be a terrorist, he strikes as much more of your run of the mill, DC Beltway, NeoCon terrorist.
Aug 8, 2016 “I want to scare Assad” Mike Morell (Aug 8, 2016) | Charlie Rose
Mike Morell, former deputy director of the CIA, discusses the need to put pressure on Syria and Russia. The full conversation airs on PBS on August 8th, 2016.
This comment by Marie Gamalski serves as Exhibit A of one who has drunk the Lefties swill wholeheartedly. Wow. Just wow.
The power of the Left’s propaganda is something to behold!
‘Trump is an illegitimate President’ is pure malarkey. He’s as legitimate as they come and to suggest otherwise demonstrates one’s willingness to wear a blindfold. He won his Party’s nomination to be placed on all state ballots. He then won the state’s needed to clinch the Electoral Votes. His challenger failed to achieve this vote. Period. And the moronic, ill informed argument that his challenger won the popular vote, thus is the winner, just shows how little one understands how the election system is set up in their own damned country. Sad. Indeed.
But one thing Gamalski stated that most here would agree with is the permanent ‘Big Club’ who enjoys the voters re electing them again and again hoping this time these shysters will deliver on their promises to the voters. McConnell is Exhibit A as is Schumer, Pelosi, Waters etc. Citizens United destroyed any chance of the people ever holding these crooks accountable to the people again. And the ‘Big Club’ knows it. Someday voters may finally wise up to this fact. To believe these forever reps/sens who never seem to retire have voters best interests at heart are naive and gullible.
As for Brennan, he is a treasonous rastard who could care less about America or its citizens. The sooner his role in the entirety of this mess is investigated, made public and held to account the better. He’s a self-serving petulant menace. I can’t help but think what good public servants like Ray McGovern, Bill Binney, Thomas Drake, John Kirakou and so many others must be thinking about these once respected now gone rogue agencies they once served with pride.
Shame on the whole cabal of criminals who have infiltrated the entirety of America’s government, institutions, media and political parties. May all of them be outed, held to account and sent to Gitmo. Godspeed.
It would seem you missed a few key points; Mueller’s report unequivocally provided evidence that Russia interfered in the 2016 election. Hands down, no questions asked. The question they were looking into was whether or not the Trump campaign knowingly conspired with Russia in their interference to secure Trump’s presidency. They were unable to conclusively establish a connection between the campaign and Russian interference, but they did provide many occurrences in which campaign officials and family members engaged in communications with Russia for various purposes.
Here is a nice summary:
“The report explains how Russia’s yearslong hacking and social-media operations coincided with a series of contacts between the Kremlin and Trump campaign officials and associates, including Donald Trump Jr., the president’s son. Those interactions included discussions about possible business deals, policy goals and getting dirt on Hillary Clinton. The latter transpired during a well-known meeting in Trump Tower in New York. Investigators didn’t establish that a conspiracy existed between the two sides to work together to interfere in the election.”
We must also not forget Paul Manafort, who was found to have shared sensitive polling data with someone linked to Russian intelligence.
All of this stuff can be found anywhere on the internet, in print, and on video. Please stop spreading conspiracy theories that there is a deep state or whatnot. It’s absolutely ridiculous, childish, and you should all be ashamed to show how duped you have been by a group of people who would never even try to get to know you in your entire lives. They only seek to take advantage of you through fear and empty promises.
I’m sorry to burst your bubbles, but things can get better for everyone if you stop falling into the trap laid by Trump and everyone associated with him. I say these things because I truly care about you, this country, and the world.
> Mueller’s report unequivocally provided evidence that Russia interfered in the 2016 election.
No it didn’t. He simply repeated assertions that they had, presenting no evidence. If you believe otherwise, let’s see the meat.
“The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.”
This is lawyerly, weasel talk for we aint got nothin.
If you’re ignorant, then yes, I could see how you would come to that conclusion. If the entirety of the US Intelligence Community is confident in something, you’d better believe they have the evidence to think that way. If your logic is to be followed, every investigation still acquiring more evidence despite having a mountain of it already is moot because they don’t put it into words you like to read. Stop believing that there is a conspiracy against Trump; there is no sound evidence in favor of this assertion. He is a terrible person, a terrible dealer, and a terrible president; there is plenty of evidence to support this claim though.
Are you suggesting that the intelligence community has not been politicized, there is no corruption in their assessments?
Have you read any history of the unmitigated disasters of the CIA missions that occurred repeatedly in the last century? These aren’t conspiracy theories, this is Modern American History 101.
Trump was merely the lessor of 2 evils. I am under no illusion that Amercan Presidents actually serve our country.
My personal opinion is that they have plenty on Trump, but it is on his ties to the Russian Jewish mafia, not Putin. The problem is that many people on all sides are involved.
Garbage in, garbage out.
Did you have access to the redacted portions of the Mueller Report? If not, have your president declassify all of it, so that we can “see the meat”. I suspect, though, that even if you were covered in steaks (or short-ribs, if that’s your thing), you have a narrative rattling in your head with which you will let not fact interfere.
Yes, it did. That is all.
Yet another victim of what Robert Parry called “the Mighty Wurlitzer”. If it can be “found anywhere” and it’s repeated ad nauseam it must be true. I guess it’s a lot more comforting and easier than thinking for yourself.
Or, you know, when the experts in our country, who make these conclusions are confident and in consensus that something did occur, you believe them. Because that’s their job and their field of expertise. Do you also not believe your doctor when they tell you that medicine will help cure your infection, or vaccines will help prevent certain infections despite confidence and consensus from the medical community? Sometimes thinking for yourself without the required knowledge on the subject gets you nowhere.
That’s just what a conspirator supporting a gang of insiders who have seized power from the constitutional government would say to protect them when some of the little people start getting close to the truth.
Nobody here is going to the wall to save Trump, but they are highly concerned that your reckless, power-hungry insiders who control everything in government well below the surface are going completely overboard with the lies, insults, provocations, and challenges they constantly direct at Russia.
It seems like your “heroes” are just begging to start a nuclear war with them, especially that sore loser (but dangerously belligerent) Hillary Clinton who first concocted this bullshit story (later elevated to “Russiagate” by the media propagandists) as a campaign tactic against Trump and later used it as an excuse to explain away losing an election that absolutely every analyst in the world (including those in Russia) predicted she would win in a landslide.
The scenario you float of Putin believing he could turn a juggernaut like that around with a relatively miniscule amount of Face Book and Twitter postings is completely fantastical, even magical, thinking. Fortunately, he lives in the real world. You must be the reincarnation of Goebbels who posited that the way to get the public to believe a big lie by the government is to simply keep repeating it. And repeat it you do… all you do. You’re like a parrot, although without any of the charm the bird would have.
Trust me, I have no “heroes” in our government as you say. Also, even if I did, Hillary Clinton would never be on the list; she was the worst candidate to have run in 2016 against Trump. However, with that being said, I still cannot just accept what you are saying either until you provide evidence for your claims. So, instead of calling me a parrot for repeating what experts say (politicized as they may be because, just like us, they are human too), please give me the information that you hold, so I can make a more informed decision.
Trust you? That’s a laugh.
You want chapter and verse as to why your comments on “Russiagate” and the worth of all the public pronouncement thereupon by the intel agencies are totally bogus? Just go back and read most of the articles published on this site over the last several years. The facts, the philosophy, the analytical approach have all been spelled out in great detail by numerous respected journalists, scholars and former intelligence agents. None of them has simply said “trust me” or trust John Brennan, James Clapper and James Comey as you continue to do. Which is all you continue to do here.
Something called “facts” and “evidence” must be demanded from these spooks before anyone can believe anything they say. Their “assessments” are worthless in the absence of evidence. Moreover, when they actually have evidence they are not shy to push it in your face. You keep saying “why would they lie?” To shield themselves from the multitude of previous lies they have told throughout their careers as protectors, not of American rights and freedoms, but of the political power of their patrons within the Deep State. You are an incredible specimen of either blind faith in American authority figures or a diehard propagandist working for them. It’s one or the other, but you may be so thoroughly confused by the charlatans around us all that you really don’t know. Doesn’t matter. You’ve got nothing substantive to say and should not be listened to by anyone.
You don’t even have to request such information. It just keeps rolling off the presses every day as the facts are hashed over and rehashed again. At least two more articles today:
Long story short, the complete essence of the Russiagate fable was based entirely on the words of DNC fixers Crowdstrike. Their story was entirely made up and not even read by the government investigators in its entirety. It was a complete crock, but using it as a desired crutch, the spooks assigned to the case chose not to interview the DNC, examine its servers or interview numerous critical witnesses. They simply accepted as gospel truth the false narrative provided because it was what they wanted… and probably had pre-arranged.
Key excerpt from both articles: “This means the FBI and DOJ, and all of the downstream claims by the intelligence apparatus; including the December 2016 Joint Analysis Report and January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment, all the way to the Weissmann/Mueller report and the continued claims therein; were based on the official intelligence agencies of the U.S. government and the U.S. Department of Justice taking the word of a hired contractor for the Democrat party….. despite their inability to examine the server and/or actually see an unredacted technical forensic report from the investigating contractor.”
But you really know this. It’s been discussed and critiqued thousands of times before. Want to learn more? Just wait a couple of days and you can get to read the same rehashed facts, none of which support your hypothesis, which is really just Hillary’s excuse for blowing the election big time.
Your nonsense has become tiresome, now crawl back under your rock at the troll farm.
So, because they didn’t do the formality of finalizing a report, the whole thing is bunk? Also, the American public is running in a redacted version of the Mueller Report, so to say that it does not contain evidence to your liking is also moot. Until the whole thing comes out, no one can know what lies within. To pretend otherwise is being pedantic.
And Crowdstrike seemed pretty steadfast in asserting that their conclusions were correct all the way back in 2016:
They present a pretty solid rationale of their tracking through the script code used in the hack.
There are also many articles that are more recent listed at the top of the page.
Yes and apparently they were 100% correct about Saddam Hussein being in possession of weapons of mass distruction prior to and after the disastrous 2003 Iraq war. And yes apparently when only 3 (handpicked) out of 17 intelligence agencies give a mealy mouthed assessment that it was most likely the Russians who hacked the DNC. And when former Sr. NSA officials such as Bill Binney offer forensic proof that the information was leaked not hacked we sure as hell should put the blinders on and believe anything the media and the intelligence community tells us now or should we?
You are too informed & too in touch with reality to comment on this platform. The readers here won’t appreciate your ability to accurately, appropriately & succinctly explain how silly their hallucinations sound.
Now she’s going for the pick and roll with Mr. 2020.
Sorry, he won’t pass you the rock.
Actually, neither of you has any skills beyond repeated regurgitation of Hillary’s talking points.
Maybe you both read her book and have mistaken a rather shabby con job for received wisdom from on high.
Again, as I stated above, please give me evidence to support your claims, instead of belittling what I’ve said.
Please read the many articles and the comments by numerous other readers on this general topic on this website to more than satisfy “your” purported need for evidence. Funny that you’re the guy who doesn’t need a shred of evidence from the authority figures controlling our country’s destiny. Bill Binney provides evidence. Ray McGovern and VIPS provide evidence. John McAfee provides evidence… just to name a few truthtellers. Your heroes in the spook agencies provide nothing but scorn for the public.
They don’t care about facts.
ForThePeople2020 – PERHAPS you are a sincere person, and mean well. Everyone of your points, though, is incorrect. There is nothing wrong with meeting and talking with Russians. To think otherwise is racist. I could go on and give you info on what to read and where. Start with history from just a little while ago, say, mid 20th century. Then you can go prior to there and after. Learn what was done in your name if you are a resident of the USA.
I never said talking to Russians was illegal. I said the report was attempting to flesh out of there was a conspiracy between the campaign and Russia to help elect Trump as president. Despite the many contacts that were found, there was no criminal activity that was 100% established, and this reasoning is why no charges were brought regarding conspiracy. However, criminality is only one facet of the multifaceted approach to the conduct of a presidential candidate or anyone really. Ethically speaking, these contacts raise many issues and questions about Trump’s conduct, and it opened the door to scrutinizing other things he has allegedly done.
Also, you made a point to state that my comments were incorrect, but you gave nothing as to how that is the case. You took it a step further and made a claim about a statement that I didn’t even make. That doesn’t help anybody.
You know the Russian lawyer at the trump tower meeting was paid by fusion GPS and Hillary Clinton. You are a rube.
You know she was provided that information for a completely different case, and was not given it with the explicit instruction to bring it to the attention of Trump’s team, right? She did that all on her own, which is much different than what you are claiming
You have been spoonfed a barrel of propaganda and baseless assertions for which not a shred of real evidence has yet been put forth. NONE! Just making a bold assertion does not make it the truth. The entire narrative put forth by the spook agencies (and only two of them at that–Brennan’s gang and Clapper’s gang, as the rest ran for cover not volunteering to be part of the great con against the American people and this republic) has been poked so full of holes by numerous former intel agents, NSA cyber expert Bill Binney, and numerous independent cyber security experts like John McAfee that it’s holier than Sponge Bob.
You’ve got nothing supporting your narrative but a pile of transparent lies which you persist in foisting on the American public by dint of your claimed “authority” or connections therewith. What you want, if you parse the question deeply enough, is to totally control and potentially end the lives of millions of innocents (as the ultimate fallout of nuclear war that may easily follow from your arrogant and reckless behavior) on the basis of nothing more than a claim, an assertion for which you repeatedly refuse to provide any shred of real evidence.
After being lied to by the government in Washington so long about so many crucial facts, absolutely no sane person has any reason whatsoever to trust you or to take your word in the absence of ironclad fully verifiable evidence. Your critics have provided a mountain of evidence suggesting you dispense nothing but self-serving bullshit. You have provided nothing but empty rhetoric asking us to accept the even emptier rhetoric invented and spewed over the landscape by the intel agencies.
In the last analysis you’ve got nothing, except your skills at lying, threatening, bribing and intimidating key personnel in positions of power who should be protecting the people rather than hijacking all the country’s levers of power and finite resources to accommodate a tiny clique of elite insiders who want to play god. You are their dupe, whether knowingly or not.
The same can be turned around on you, and it can be said you are making a big assertion without any evidence, if you don’t give me any. Please let me know what you know, so I can make a more informed decision.
FTP, you dont live in a different world than the rest of us, so you have already been given the evidence. However, you have chosen to ignore the evidence that does not fit with your belief system. Giving you the benefit of the doubt that this was done in good faith, then it is a matter of confirmation bias, which is the same issue afflicting most of the country. I assume it is a PsyOp, but unfortunately, nobody has called me from DC to reveal their dirty little secrets, so that is just conjecture.
Sorry, but I am not hiding any evidence from you. I am not the personal generator of the evidence but I have been directing you to it repeatedly. Go back and read the numerous articles from the original sources on this website.
The investigators both researched the issue, collected facts and freely discussed them all out in the open. They interviewed witnesses who were identified. They debated the credibility of the evidence with any other proclaimed experts to come forward. Their credentials were put forward, establishing that these people included experts who, in fact, developed the spying technology used by the NSA and CIA to supposedly–but never demonstrably–support the empty assessments of those agencies.
The analysts and witnesses included numerous military and intelligence agents, scholars, diplomats, and scientists. Your disingenuous appeal now for the evidence would be quite humorous if it weren’t so hypocritical. The reality is that you have been pointedly ignoring the existing evidence all along, promoting agency dissembling in its place. You’ve in effect been saying, who you gonna believe? John Brennan’s unsupported con game or your lying eyes? A cadre of watchdogs and respected whistleblowers or a documented perjurer?
Sorry, but your endless insincere repetition will not sell the big lie here.
Sorry if this is bouncing all over the place, but this comment section will not let me reply to your comments above anymore. Contrary to what you think, I am not being insincere, I may not have been living as long as you, so in effect, I am still learning about a lot in this world. I am simply asking questions as one does when they want to learn. People on this site appear to be very passionate about what they are saying, so I am interested in talking with you about what you know. I will try my best read through more of the articles on this site.
I imagine it must sound strange for someone you don’t know to say “trust me” in a random comment on this website, but please don’t misunderstand my intentions. I was true in what I wrote above, and I am truly trying to see the many sides of the field for this topic. It’s difficult to know what you don’t know and, with everyday life in-between everything else, one does not always have the same opportunities to come across similar information in its various mediums as someone else. I appreciate you indulging me thus far.
You are not trying to win an argument because you will not present any facts nor will you refute the numerous facts generated in the critical analyses that I and others here have cited, you are simply sticking around to aggravate the rational readers here with your irrational nonsense. That’s all that remains to say about you. Go plague some other website, Langley troll.
And your last comment shows you as the real troll. If you can’t even respond in a decent way to a comment that wasn’t even meant to be part of a debate, you’re not really trying to listen to anything. You’re ideas are so engrained in your mind that no matter what evidence I bring to the table, you are not capable of listening and understanding. You talked about confirmation bias earlier, but I don’t think you realize that you are plagued by it as well because you only see and/or listen to ideas that resonate with what you perceive as fact. “Realist” as your name is the epitome of ignorance because you think you see and know all there is to know. However, I don’t think you do, and you really shouldn’t either. If you do think that way, you really don’t know anything. Enjoy living in your life of conspiracies, and enjoy living in anger and spite for things you don’t want to accept.
You have brought NO evidence to the table, that is your problem. You adamantly refuse to do this.
Now YOU resort to ad hominems. Classic example of projection. Accuse others of your own sins.
Getting the last word in, after several days of relentless parroting, does not transform your lies into truth nor win you any arguments. Goebels’ approach to selling the big lie does not work here.
You are like that lady in the old political ad just going “la, la, la, la, la” while all those around her try to talk sense that she just does not want to hear.
You may be for some people (the one’s who write out your paycheck), but you are certainly not for THE people. That’s the biggest con you’ve attempted… as “FTP2020.” I think your alter ego is probably “John,” who uses your same style and deceptive devices. Usually you “two” do not post at the same time or on the same threads. I’ll bet you’ve plagued this board under dozens of names over the years.
Please check yourself into a psychiatric ward for everyone’s sake. You have the audacity to claim I’m using ad hominems when every other sentence coming from you is an ad hominem. I am for the people, even for you. For that reason, I urge you to get evaluated. I came here to attempt to learn new things, but seeing your reactions to my posts shows me there is nothing I’m missing out on except for blind fear about nonexistent conspiracies. You have a dangerous thought process and could potentially pose a risk to yourself or others. It’s actually quite alarming.
Interesting that somehow the Russians pumping trump campaign contributions through the NRA never gets mentioned here on CN. Is that because it sort of goes against the “deep state” meme? While I’m sure the Israelis probably did the same thing to elect/re-elect Bush (and probably Trumpkin), it still doesn’t make it right or legal. If Trump’s people were unaware that this was being done on their behalf, they’re much dumber than they appear (admittedly they do appear to be pretty dumb).
Also, once again I have to mention that Ray McGovern and his ex CIA buddies (so many of whom have blood on their hands after their fine work in the Southern Cone during the 1980s ) have somehow gone from saying that the downloading of documents from the DNC at high speed made it look like a inside job;while also admitting that they couldn’t say for sure whether the Russians had that capability to solidifying their more recent position that it could only have been an inside job. On what new evidence does this depend? Holy NY Times, batman!!
Thank you for helping to expose THE BIG LIE.
Laughing and crying at the same time you people don’t deserve to call yourselves American! Fascist trash, and traitors! Mostly bigoted! To allow this chit to continue could be the end of America. Let me tell.this real Americans will not allow this fascist totalitarian problem to continue
With my last breath we will fight! We beat the Confederacy once and we will do it again! Traitors, cretins cowards and scum all of you! So talk that chit but remember we will overcome!
They should all burn for this. They have tried to destroy Trump. And they have cost the American people millions of dollars. They need to be responsible for this. I want to see all three of them in jail.
Sure they will, and they will lock up Hillary too! Sure they will! The reality is we will soon rid ourselves of trump and a lot you will go down with traitor trump.
MK Ultra has proven tremendously effective.
Nonetheless, Seth Rich will be given Justice. And soon.
John, is that you?
trillions of dollars. the yinon wars, aka seven countries in five years, from afghanistan to iraq to libya, syria, ukraine even (ask v. j. nuland), yemen and pakistan have cost about six trillion dollars with no dollar amount attributed to the destruction of lives (over a million dead in all likelihood, no idea of the injuries) and property in the attacked countries.
Trump does not need help destroying himself. If they indeed wanted to destroy him why did they never leak he was bei g investigated? Think man think.
Wasn’t Michael Hastings working on a story about Brennan when he had his car “accident” in 2013? Hmm.
H – Why yes, Michael Hastings was working on that story. I think John was secretly quite pleased with himself after that “ending”. That is what I think. He enjoyed his “access”… and it tripled his cockiness and self-entitlement.
Ray, as a former FED for almost 30 years, I applaud the quality and objectivity of your reporting. Keep digging my friend, there is a fertile field out there.
I like the way that NYT front page is laid out such that the picture of the protesters in Hong Kong is next to the big word “C.I.A” as part of a big headline. But no, wash my mouth out with soap, those are just democracy advocates who happen to be stirring up trouble with a nation that the Establishment calls an existential threat.
Awsome. Thank you, as always, for pursuing the truth, no matter where it leads. And thank you for publishing Ray Mcgoverns’s articles. He and others like him are indespensible.
Thank goodness literally, for the likes of Ray McGovern, Bill Binney and all of the staff and supporters at Consortium. Thanks, to John K., to Kim.com, to Joe Lauria, and Elizabeth Vos, to Suzie Dawson. To Chris Hedges, to Catherine Fisk, to Julian’s mother and father and all the guests who have kept us sane amidst insanity unleashed.
May you all be well. Please don’t stop support and rallying for Julian and his millions of friends and family. Thank you all for truth, heart, hope and grit! We love you! May reporters, publishers, whistleblowers of conscience be held now and forever in huge loving embrace of all who value courage and honor truths that change us for the greater good…
Incredibly amusing that Brennan, Clapper and Comey are the “boogie men” of your fantastical tale, yet nothing but effusive praise for Bill Barr, the AG that said…”sure, you can kidnap ppl in their own country “, and insisted Bush I, pardon all the criminals on the way out the door.
Pizza Gate, Fake news, Sandyhook as false flag, THOSE are your “deep state”.
Trump is an illegitimate President w/a cabinet full of grifters and thieves who has once again, admitted he’ll take help from whatever dictator, strongman or thug that will give it to him.
Republicans terror at the thought of losing their tight fisted, White men grip over the country is palpable.
The mere thought of women, POC or workers having control over themselves and the country has brought you to the overwrought, conspiracy theory conclusion there’s some imaginary “deep state”, NO, just reasonable ppl who’ve decided they’re done being “governed” (if that’s what you call it) by the minority.
Republicans have gerrymandered, and voter suppressed their way to victory long enough. What McConnell has done to the judiciary shows republicans are not honest actors, you border on criminal w/the tactics that disingenuous, win at any cost, “leader” has done, or more to the point , NOT done, regardless the cost to the country, McConnell thinks only of McConnell first, last and always, then of course Party.
The sooner republicans are relegated to the ash heap of our racist past the better, you’re practically a caricature of the crooked politicians in 1930’s movies…goodbye, and good riddance.
You obviously know nothing about Deep State actors. Take a deep breath and educate yourself a tad. The film “A Good American” is, I believe, available on Hoopla, probably at your public library. Watch it and you will learn what the NSA really is now.
Theories about “Russian interference,” gerrymandering, voter suppression, etc., become problematic when you check the evidence for yourself. Google the 2016 election results. In spite of much Dem voter opposition to the Clinton right wing, she got the most votes. (Why did Russia do that?) Trump is president because he got the most electoral votes — something a foreign country couldn’t steal, influence, hack, etc. What we learned is that much of our well-educated population forgot everything they learned in school about the electoral college process.
Marie Gamalski – Who is/are the “you” that your tirade is addressed to? And why do you say “Trump is an illegitimate President”? I think you mean W.
Thanks for refresher on DNC talking points. “We came, we saw, he died” was precisely the last moment I took the DNC seriously.
You nailed it. Thank you.
Sorry, Republicans aren’t going away.
Funny but the real grifters, con artists, muggers, buggars and thieves are the Clinton’s and Barack Obama and their serfs, minions and adherants. I think in time, indictments will be issued; all the way up to Barack.
Off with their heads!
Some of my faves to go, will be:
Willy (all that juicy 500k from Putin. Willy must be really, really good)
Hilly (ole Hill, wannabe queen, not good for anything of value but an amazing liar. Great for the hill/billy long cons)
And maybe Huma Handmaiden and Doobie Wasserman-shitz.
Name a legitimate president with a cabinet that wasn’t full of grifters and thieves. I dare ya.
Actually it was the Democrats who were the racists in the south. Democrats have had a political stranglehold on New York City, Baltimore, Cleveland, Atlanta, Chicago and Los Angeles for decades and they have all turned into crime-ridden, corrupt dumps with homeless encampments and low performing schools.
Democrats are just as bad as Republicans, probably worse in matters of war and peace. A pox on both their houses.
yes the republicans are so different from the democrats. look how lbj didn’t send american boys to fight where asian ones should, how harry truman took the peace counsel of his secretary of state general george marshall and didn’t recognize israel, thus avoiding endless war, how barack (nobel peace prize) obama avoided “dumb” wars in libya, ukraine and syria, meanwhile bragging how he was so “good at killing people.”
for that matter, how many more banksters obama put in prison than g.w. bush or trump (g.h.w. bush looks like a combination of ida tarbell and lincoln steffens by comparison). as ralph nader observed, it’s not what the parties disagree about that’s the problem, it’s what they agree on.
If my political opponents tell the truth redounding to the benefit of the republic, I have to acknowledge that fact whether it enhances their credibility and standing with the public or not. If my long term allies spew bullshit and false narratives in support of dubious goals, I have to call them out. That’s exactly what I have been doing for the past five or six years, ever since Obama, who refused over the course of two full terms as president to uphold the platitudes he ran on in both elections and, instead, decided to use Russia as a punching bag in an all-out reconflagration of the Cold War.
Hillary doubled down on this despicable and dangerous strategy, which is what stunningly cost her the election–not Putin, not Facebook, Twitter, Russian “troll factories” or any of the rest of the cockamamie narrative confected by Hillary and her Democratic chorus.
Voters in the Midwest and the Rustbelt wanted to hear how she would address their employment and economic woes on the home front, not how she was ready to send their sons to fight more wars in the Middle East and confront Russia using the most sophisticated and lethal weapons ever created by the human species. She ignored those voters and she scared the shit out of many regular non-radicalized Americans who truly wanted only peace and partnership with a Russia they were sick of demonizing and fighting for generations.
She chose to ignore the easily documentable acts by which Putin went the extra mile to aid Obama’s foreign policy goals, e.g., pushing Assad to turn over all his chemical weapons to the US military for destruction, supporting the American economic sanctions against their own ally Iran, and helping broker the multilateral anti-nuke treaty (JCPOA) with Iran, to name only the most important. Hillary ignored the realities and instead created an elaborate false narrative to demonize first Putin and then Trump. She did it first as a sleazy campaign strategy and later as an excuse for losing the election.
She (and no one else) decided to ignore the voters that most counted in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida and North Carolina, the ones with the most desperate domestic needs, and preferred to present herself as an out-of-control screaming witch ready to risk the future of the entire planet as long as she personally accrued power. You might try re-examining your priorities and the facts such as are known and freely available to the public even in a highly propagandised media, Marie.
Articles like this are what make Ray McGovern sound like the limited-hangout artist of the century, this era’s Ellsberg.
You’ve got Barr, who functioned as DCI Bush’s mob lip ever since Iran/Contra, who calls in Durham, renowned for CIA’s CAT-illegal torture whitewash. No sane professional expects anything but a moist and well-consolidated sigmoid coil of exculpation. Ray is not nearly stupid enough to believe this is for real. Ray himself has said there are two CIAs. These guys are from the criminal one, and Ray knows it.
Russiagate is not the fever dream of lone bad apple Brennan. Russiagate is an institutional initiative of CIA. Current DCI Gina Haspel was in London marshalling the foreign intelligence cutouts for the anti-Russian war propaganda that got repackaged for publication as Dem oppo research.
Ray has brass balls. But wake me up when he goes up against the CIA DO like he went up against DoS or Israeli navy pussies.
Yeah but this flagrant in your face we’re-going-to-fuck-with-you people (again), and now with this particular fantasy, is rapidly un-entangling for all to see (and who can resist the naked lady in the sky?):
they used their intelligence assets to frame the whole thing, starting with Brennan’s fixation on the juicy Steele thing. And why? A little more on why? What’s beyond their repugnance for Trump, in the money angle? Is that coming out too?
Imagery of these people in prison garb behind bars sends a shiver through me.
ok. maybe no one important goes to prison. andy mccabe is oswald or mcveigh.
but compare what we know already, not to say what we are almost certainly going to know by the time of the next election, with what we ever knew about, say, the assassinations of the kennedy brothers, particularly via the warren report, or the attacks of 2001, particularly via the “official” investigations. and do note that a great deal of the current, highly incriminating evidence we have came from somewhere in the government, not the equivalents of “everything is a rich man’s trick,” etc. and in the teeth of near total denial by the mockingbird state media.
it’s starting to look like the deep state’s misfortune of the possibly unvetted trump’s election is being compounded by the insistence that, to survive, trump must do some very serious damage to those bad actors.
“Our long national nightmare is finally over…?”
For those too young, that was for Nixon finally having abdicated after a quite similar in national intrigue episode, his own imperial Presidency caught up short in impeachment. The difference being here, albeit from a scenario contrived for impeachment, it is the prosecutors of a sitting President who are in the spotlight, if not the crosshairs, for having contrived the plot to impeach.
The image of a meddling foreign power, the ultimate “other” as manifested in the decades-now-long demonizing of anything Putin from the CIA—his Slavic-Asian features, a ‘thug,’ ‘his oligarchs,’ (versus our billionaire and quite as lawless ‘tycoon/plutocrats’) and the ludicrous Russian ‘territorial expansion ambitions’ (that from the by-far world’s largest country and “Pssst, you’re thinking of Israel) makes this transition back into the land of approximate reality of 2019 a different kettle of fish.
Meaning the U.S./CIA’s easily ginned-up exploitable Cold War 2.0 recidivism is going to be a tenacious monkey to shake from the country’s collective back. It’s been drilled in—intentionally—hard and deep. And that isolates and nullifies the Dem true-believers who won’t let go of it. And they continue to show they don’t want to.
They are likely the leading edge of the Biden-Believers too; stuck in an unimaginative world that craves the Obama era even as its worse (liberal-approved) elements come back to haunt with these brooding personages like Brennan and the predatory Clapper-Thing foremost. Why does that matter? Because they both committed public perjury under oath. And walked. Unscathed. What does that say about the rule of law? And what does that say about those who lionize them, all the while knowing of that perjury?
Most people in the U.S. despised Nixon in 1974, and the D and R political parties had not reached the unconscionable and corrupt nadir at which we now find them in the pig-sty they have wrought for themselves and drug us into. And despising Trump is something most find easy enough, but his defenders are in the right on this if Brennan is exposed for such infamy. “And such a beautiful fantasy Rachel Maddow had woven for us. Why did it ever have to end…?”
If Dems had been honest with themselves, had critically-thought for themselves, had not fallen for the cheapest of tricks and been lucid-enough to see they were but foils in a mass psy-op… they’d be well assured of regaining the Presidency almost by default.
But, as Mark Twain rightfully observed: “It’s much easer to fool people than to convince them they’ve been fooled.”
To have observed so many ‘leftish’ Dems claiming-to-be-progressives lionizing the likes of Brennan, Comey, and Clapper in their televised role-playing as saviors was hard enough to take, but then we come to the specter of Mueller who kept up the act in the face of knowing he had nothing from the get-go, but did his best to obfuscate for 2 years; likely all the while knowing this was Brennan’s Brains’ ‘love child.’
Now even as the msm/House aspersions and egging-on continue post-Mueller report, these same plotters have only further-enfurled themselves in the flag and beckon for the Dem party faithful to drench themselves in further delusions; anything but confront the fact they’ve been so thoroughly used and abused already by Clinton Inc and its wholly-owned DNC. Silly humans. Mendacious masochists too.
And what of the nation as it spirals ever-downward to the drain…?
Bush would tell you to go shopping.
Obama would lay one of his patented “folks” on you. And tell you to never forget how “exceptional” you really are. It’s your ‘participation’ trophy, mah fellow Americans. You swept the Apathy and Complacency divisions! Congratulations!
I’m with you in general. But minor correction: U.S. is not the world’s largest country by territory (or population for that matter). Russia (among others) is much larger.
“and the ludicrous Russian ‘territorial expansion ambitions’ (that from the by-far world’s largest country…”
Perhaps a parenthesized (?) or available italics would have made it clearer that it was indeed Russia to which I referred. Pretty hard to miss was my thought at the time I wrote it. Can’t win ’em all, I guess. I might have failed in clarity of syntax too. But: now you know what my intent truly was and is.
Excellent post! The challenge for the DNC dems and the “deep state” is to get us to vote for “warmonger from column B” if Trump is ousted. They really fear true progressives more than they do Trump. It’s all about cash flow.
That’s why I’d be really surprised to see Barr succeed. There is too much power aligned against him if he is in fact sincere about pursuing the truth. Time will tell.
What the government (Deep State) values more than the truth or global stability is faith in government. They cannot afford to have the reality of this attempted coup come to light because normal, everyday citizens will be more appalled that this could happen more than it was revealed. The investigation may reach the grass roots reality of what transpired but I doubt the public will ever know. Even the hint of a conniving, dishonest Deep State will cause ripples even the media can gloss over. (Have you seen any of the network news programs do any story on the fabrication of WMD intelligence?)
Jeff B. Re: Have you seen any of the network news programs do any story on the fabrication of WMD intelligence?
NO! I haven’t!
But why, at the time, did it seem so transparently a pack of lies? (And how have they all gotten away with it with no accountability?)
It was at the time an obvious dog and pony shoddy sales promotion to sell a war. It wasn’t credible that Iraq was a threat. It’s not credible now that Iran is a threat. Or Venezuela or Cuba or really Russia. The threat is the MICIMATT.
It started with Cheney’s ugly snarls of aggression – he and W sounded like they wouldn’t rest till they got their war (GIMME GIMME GIMME) They didn’t give a shit about the Iraqi people or the American soldiers who would be sent into harm’s way. And the threatening feeling in the air with political hacks holding town halls to sell their constituents a war. And the dark political pressure that ambitious Democrats felt – Clinton, Kerry, Edwards – to vote YES on the AUMF when they knew or should have known that would be used as cover to take this country into a war that they obviously didn’t care about – no questions about the gross incompetence of the civilian “planners” during the catastrophic aftermath, the torture, the lies, the suffering.
Although Hillary as usual later excused her vote with the lame “hindsight is 20/20”….no wonder she wasn’t trusted.
And Judith Miller’s front page sleezy sounding propaganda parading as news on the front page of the war machine Times, whining about steel tubes, no less, – is that all they had to prove their non existent case? Then General Powell was manipulated into blabbering at the UN with CIA director Tenet rolling his brooding cynical eyes seated behind him with the ever-present John Poindexter stationed next to him to watch that pitiful performance unfold.
It was such a transparent, shoddy, sleezy show put on for us, the dupes. The geniuses in power had no respect for the people whose purse would be emptied once again for some folly instead of having access to those trillions of dollars for the things back home that really mattered to their lives.
Whycome or leave them.
As I have stated adnauseam, I’m a dyslexic, agnostic insomniac, I lay awake all night wondering if there really is a DOG!
Much for the same reason I’m in favor of a third party. The current system is broken and has be worthless since Vietnam in improving the U.S. governments implication of the will of “We the People”.
The reason is because of the “Washington Consensus” which is the malarkey that is neo-liberal economics. The countries government has become less and less responsive to the demands of the populace ever since the end of WWII. This period was the beginning of full blown intelligence takeover of the government and with the help of the military industrial complex funding the evil doers it only got worse.
If I had a GOD instead of a DOG I doubt very much his dogma would include approval of the U.S. Govmnt’s theory of endless war that kills mostly civilians.
A country under God? Give me a break!
“John Brennan has always been a failure as an intelligence officer even as he successfully climbed the promotion ladder. He was the CIA’s Chief of Station (COS) in Saudi Arabia when the Khobar Towers were bombed, killing 19 Americans, a disaster which he incorrectly blamed on the Iranians. He was deputy executive director on 9/11 and was complicit in that intelligence failure. He subsequently served as CIA chief of staff when his boss George Tenet concocted phony stories about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. He also approved of the Agency torture and rendition programs and was complicit in the destruction of Libya as well as the attempt to do the same to Syria.
“Barack Obama wanted Brennan to be his CIA Director but his record with the Agency torture and rendition programs made approval by the Senate problematical. Instead, he became the president’s homeland security advisor and deputy national security advisor for counterterrorism, where he did even more damage, expanding the parameters of the death by drone operations and sitting down with the POTUS for the Tuesday morning counterterrorism sessions spent refining the kill list of American citizens.
“After Obama was re-elected in 2012, he was able to overcome objections and appoint Brennan CIA Director. Conniving as ever, Brennan then ordered the Agency to read the communications of the congressional committee then engaged in investigating CIA torture, the very program that he had been complicit in. Brennan then denied to Congress under oath that any such intramural spying had occurred, afterwards apologizing when the truth came out.”
Will the Real John Brennan Please Stand Up?
By Philip Giraldi
They’re after Kim Dot Com too as he openly admits to communicating with Seth Rich.
Let’s get it on! Time this happens.
This may have been dictated by Trump. It’s jam packed with his bullshit. You are no Christian, you are nothing but out for all the money you can steal while you laugh at your donors starving to death.
Careful Talbot – more of that nonsense can get you in legal trouble
Your the fuck threatening.
Your TDS has you in a brain fog. If you followed Ray McGovern, you’d know he thinks Trump is the worst president ever. But it matters not a whit who is president as long as people like John Brennan are free to pursue the evil Empire’s agenda.
Make a rational evidence based argument, or go troll somewhere else.
Never heard of Ray McGovern, but sure he sounds like the real McCoy.
John Brennan is s converted Mudslum who will behead his own mother.
Clapper is a real crapper with poo all over his hypocritical and sanctimonious ugly face.
Comey as his name says it is a traitor and a communist !!
Why are the likes of Brennan still not behind bars?
Probably for the same reason Hillary Clinton isn’t behind bars!!!
All it takes is to know the right people in the right places. Why are the likes of Brennan still not behind bars?
As you are only to well aware, they almost always never see the world from behind bars. Even if charged and convicted, there’s always some Prez ready to pardon them (the current obnoxious example once again in an Admin is Elliot Abrams).
People (mostly poor and not pale-skinned) get caught with a slice of stolen pizza, a little of this drug or that and they are flung in prison for many years where they have to labor in all but slavery for one of the corporations who have no ethical objections to employing prisoners for something 13 cents per hour or some such. But such as Brennan? Or Abrams? Or Bush? Or anyone of the myriad of bloodthirsty psychopaths who have and who now do hang out in the WH? Justice is a joke in the Anglo-American world.
(Please reassure our bourgeoisie that our war on the poor has taken a heavy toll. The great majority of US poor are white, sometimes referred to as “white trash” — not even considered human. Not that the Democrats’ long war on the poor has had any impact on election results…)
Total treason and needs to be addressed swiftly and without prejudice harsh punishments putting the country at risk and in danger!!the most serious of crimes no pussyfooting show the world instead of hiding it
Oh please. Mr. McGovern is a great guy, but as it informs us at the bottom he’s also a person of “faith”. Imagining that any justice will be done in this caper is wishful thinking I’m afraid: expecting one bunch of Washington lifers to put another bunch of the same in the slammer is just–no on 2nd thought I don’t think funny is the word. The American Securitate did a bit more then spy on an election campaign: they conducted psychological warfare on the domestic population on a massive scale. How can this be admitted? Team Trump likes regime changes, politicized intel, and perception management just as much as Team Obama and his other predecessors did; it’s just not an option to let the rubes see how the sausage gets made or it’d all fall apart. Brennan’s lawyers will negotiate something with Barr’s lawyers, maybe a loser like Strzok will be made a fall guy, and after that Trump will say “it’s time for us to come together as Americans”. People that matter will skate; the script demands it, and nobody understands this better than Trump the show-wrestling MC.
Come to think up it, how would it be justice to lock up Brennan but not his boss Obama, who was there with “Russia, Russia” for the whole duration of the charade?
It’s coming. We’re due. Just as what we know now about all the rest of it back t0 1953.
Don’t ‘cheaters’ seem to be the ones who most overreact most irrationally and obviously when exposed and/or when cheated on themselves? It must be true, there was a TV show about it after all , I mean really? How could they actually follow them and expose their cheating to all? Prove it? Put it on record? Such Injustice. So wrong. It’s not something they can control. it’s pathological, The way Comey has acted is all same-same as Brennan > the snarling, mouth breathing, hateful whatever he is. No doubt Herr Clapper was in on it as well. Can you imagine his reaction? Who would want to see it? Now, employing systematic if intuitive logic here , I have to note that Hillary has also exhibited this kind of “Knee-jerk” reaction to being wronged so severely. How could they , the voters? No matter that she and hers’ cheated the system and gamed the DNC while screwing poor Bernie and the base of the Party so arrogantly! No wonder the absolute indignation and the millions wasted by the Russiagate Investigators. Hillary’s Girl Friday, Wasserman-Schultz is still around by the way. If they could corner her for a potential felony I have little doubt that she would react in a similar fashion for all to see. Birds of a feather.
Am waiting for J.B. to come crashing to earth together with every Government official and media outlet that have aligned themselves with, or run interference for, his egregious violations of the Constitution and federal law, and more so, for his crimes against the millions of innocents who have been killed, maimed, displaced or otherwise hurt by his actions and policies.
Let the bastard rot in hell.
Thank you, Ray, for again sharing your valuable expertise on this important matter. Wondering if Henry Kissinger, whose advice Trump appears to value, will protect Brennan, who consults for Kissinger Associates.
I read yesterday that Hillary spends Christmas vacation with Henry Kissinger every year.
Whether that’s true or not I don’t know, but she was definitely a Goldwater Republican. And people think the Democrats represent the left!
Hillary literally rejiggered Goldwater’s campaign symbols into her own (look it up). Obvious what she was trying to communicate to the new owner class. Sadly, Instead of the type of president the owners wanted, they got Trumpkin who turns out to be their wet dream squared. What Luck!! The new owner class is getting to like what they see happening in Russia even if the old owner class still thinks they can dominate the world alone.
No, Democrats are not going to allow the facts to come out before the 2020 election. Last week, they renewed their anti-Russian efforts, apparently setting the stage to blame Russia again for an expected 2020 defeat.
With all due respect they may not have much choice on whether it’s coming out or not. Right now it’s in the swirl of the toilet water right before it goes down under!
Obviously, I hope the blood hounds catch up to John Brennan, tear him to pieces and piss all over the remains.
The question begging for an answer today is what puppet of Washington torpedoed those two oil tankers near the Strait of Hormuz. Or was it Washington’s master, Israel, using one of its nifty silent German submarines? Bet they were itching to do that. It sure the hell was not Iran, which is not tired of living and has no desire to end up looking like the bombed-out skeletal remnants of Iraq, Libya, Syria or Yemen.
With all due respect, your prejudices already tripped you up. Saudi Arabia, which has the most “say” over Mideast oil sales, has kept the US on a short leash for years. Not Israel. The lion’s share of US aid to the Mideast goes to the Arab states — not Israel. Over the last few years, we have seen a surge of anti-Israel propaganda resulting in a surge of anti-Jewish violence across the US. Israel doesn’t have vast oil reserves. (Did I mention oil?) In fact, it’s a tiny country, roughly the size of New Jersey — some 1% of the Mideast region, with the remaining 99% of the region consisting of the Arab countries. Draw your own conclusions about those who claim that Israel is a military mega-power with some sort of magical control over the US government.
Oh, poor powerless Israel, unsubsidized by Uncle Sam, at the mercy of 99% of the region, just as it was at the mercy of the owners of 95% of Palestine in 1948, a denialist of its nuclear weapons and other WMD programs, never provoking, yet always provoked by its neighbors, lacking political and economic influence in the US and everywhere else. And, an elephant in the room neither to be rebuked, nor even seen, lest one be attacked as a bigoted victimizer- and now in some States (Florida, the latest) as well as some nations (Britain, France Germany, and Austria, to name a few) subject to criminal penalties, including imprisonment for mere criticism. Thank you DH Fabian for setting the record straight.
Israel doesn’t just occupy Palestine; Israel also occupies the United States.
It seems to have slipped your mind that Israel and the kingdom are working hand-in-glove pursuing the same anti-Iranian, anti-Palestinian, anti-Syrian and anti-Hezbollah policies. Saudi provides the cash, Israel provides the marching orders and Washington provides the military muscles, whether its own troops or Jihadi mercenaries.
Sorry you think an objective view of the carnage wreaked by Israeli policy and its “defense” forces against most of its immediate neighbors, especially the Palestinians whom they keep locked up within outdoor prisons called Gaza and the West Bank and use as live shooting galleries when the mood strikes them is “prejudice.” More to the point, the routine and unprovoked attacks the IDF mount against, not only Palestinians, but also Syrians, Lebanese and Iranians within the borders of Syria and Lebanon, is best characterised by the military expression “with extreme prejudice.”
Your contention that the “lion’s share of US AID [emphasis mine] to the Mideast goes to the Arab states–not Israel” is a flat out lie. Egypt’s AID is a pittance compared to Israel’s free American taxpayer dollars, and Saudi Arabia is a cash cow paying its own way for every American armament procured by the kingdom, as is every other paying customer for US armaments within the Persian Gulf. Washington “gives” them nothing except the massive military alliance with which to keep Iranian influence and trade down–on a global, not just regional, level. And since Obomber deliberately rekindled the Cold War, an added objective of the Washington-Wahabist alliance is to keep Russia as disadvantaged as possible in every place and in every way. You are a hypocrite of the worst sort if you dare to consider the “nation building” expenditures Washington has feigned to spend rebuilding Iraq after first destroying that country as “AID.” It wasn’t “aid” it was bribe money to recruit Sunni Jihadis to serve as terrorists and cannon fodder in Washington’s further military escapades in the region. I suppose you are counting it as aid whenever the American military flattens yet another Arab city, as it recently did to Mosul and Raqqua.
That Israel had no oil fields was certainly not a limiting factor in their attempt to gain hegemony over the entire region. In fact, it was an incentive. Their oil and gas needs are taken care of just fine through arrangements with all its Gulf States allies. They’ve been brokering the construction of pipelines to Europe through their territory and offshore carrying Arab gas. Moreover, Israel has been clearly trying to lay claim to both Syrian and Lebanese territories laden with petroleum deposits–another motivation to create this “Greater Israel” in a land populated by hardly any Jews. Steal the land and the resources are just an added bonus, I suppose is all right by both them and you.
Funny thing, Iran has more Jews living peacefully within its territory than you’ll find in any of Israel’s Gulf State allies all added together. Yet Israel wants to destroy Iran and facilitate the Wahabists (until they, like the fundy Christians decide that its time for scripture to be fulfilled and the Jews to be eradicated). I’ve no prejudice against Israelis because they are Jews. Individual Jews have played important roles as mentors and friends throughout my life, I am firmly against anti-Jewish bigotry, though the “anti-Semitism” card constantly played by Netayahu and the Zionists is clearly a thoroughly specious canard ginned up as a propaganda weapon. Israel is no more synonymous with world Jewry than are the nefarious Protocols of the Elders of Zion. They are both just fabricated rhetorical weapons, otherwise known as lies.
The real truth is that the Jews of Israel would greatly improve their future and prospects for survival immensely if they reassessed their foreign policies and choice of allies. Stop trying to colonise another people’s land by persecuting and exterminating them, and stop exploiting the internecine hatreds among the sundry native clans, tribes and religious confessions in the area by forming military alliances with some of them and against others which is destined only to turn the whole region into a tinder box and killing ground. I cannot respect a people who would arm two opposing sides, encourage them both to fight to the death and then waltz in and claim the empty lands left behind by the dead. If you don’t see that as an Israeli tactic in acquiring more Lebensraum, you are not being objective. If you don’t see how Israel is exploiting the American government and military in pursuit of such goals, you are not being objective.
Thank you Realist for articulating the truth so succinctly. Sick to death of these vomit inducing comments infesting every discussion board.
Israel is crucial to the crazy people who believe Jesus is going to come back and battle Satan. Their myth requires the Jews to be beset by Muslims or something in the Holy Land. The good Christians will be raptured and the Jews and other heathens will either be killed by Jesus or spend the rest of their days on an Earth ravaged by monstrous beasts and firey catastrophes and whatnot.
Has nothing to do with oil. Has to do with insane theists.
That was also a big motive for ISIS, they wanted the caliphate so they’d be in control of a city for end-times. I think a different one than the Christians, and in their version Muhammad or Allah or something was maybe going to beat down Jesus’ ass.
And I think they also want a healthy Israel so Jews are around for them or Allah to smite or something. Israel is okay with this, as it offers some protection. And a lot of Israelis, and Jews, are atheists and so since the end-times won’t actually come they wouldn’t be in danger of Jesus or Allah smiting them.
Whenever critical discussion of Israel is underway, comrade “DH Fabian” dumps a steaming pile of Hasbara (pro-Israel propaganda) memes.
Here’s the reality:
Israel ranks first among high-income countries receiving official U.S. foreign aid.
However, 99% of U.S. aid to Israel is U.S. military aid credit under the Department of Defense (DoD) Foreign Military Financing (FMF) Program, Payment Waived.
Israel ranks second after Iraq in U.S. aid to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region.
But Israel received 3.1 billion in annual U.S. military aid to defend a population of 8.5 million.
That’s a highly profitable scam for Israel.
By comparison, an Iraq still ravaged by the 2013 war and its chaotic aftermath, not to mention the 1990-91 war plus a decade of sanctions and U.S. bombing, now rebuilding its security forces while under siege by ISIS terrorist forces, received just 2.9 billion in aid to defend a population of 39.3 million.
Follow the money and the facts:
The warmongering pro-Israel Lobby is intimately involved in U.S. efforts to control Middle East oil.
Undistracted by the Hasbara propaganda excreted by “DH Fabian” and pals, we all can see the destructive reality of post-9/11 Israeli-Saudi-US Axis wars cheered on by the pro-Israel Lobby.
Congress dances to the lobby groups that are shills of the Israeli (Bibi) government. Under the MOU , the bankrupt USA currently provided $38 billion US *to that apartheid nation state, plus BILLIONS since it’s inception. A nation that has hubris to the N degree.
* Chinese loan
You are delirious. The DeepState CIA and FBI gave Israel the Bomb for chrissake! In ’67 Lyndon let them nearly sink the USS Liberty in a false flag attempt to get the USA involved in that war. Aid to Israel is huge and business and security ties are rampant and secretive. And you can’t compare aid to one state to aid to several. That’s absurd.
What a great pile-on! I have never seen DH respond to any rebuttals, but I’d sure like to see it now. All those damn “facts” keep getting in the way.
DH Fabian, thank you for revealing your true colors. One more Israel Apologist I can skip in these crammed comment sections. Also to those attacking Ray using Barr as the tool he is to get to another tool– the CIA. A good craftsman uses the tool at hand.
Israel is simply our aircraft carrier in the mid east…or maybe not that simple because they are smarter and meaner than we are and it’s easiest to manipulate manipulators.
Perhaps Alex Mercouris is right Barr is not just another player in the cover-up (he maintains there are strong people left at the DOJ, not just Trump A-kissers???) and will pursue the increasing unravelings of the russiagate fraud. There is a certain joyful tone in these reports from Mercouris and Ray to note, despite all the gloom and doom in comments below in this thread.
Now another set-up being exposed is Kilimnik, as Daniel Lazarre just pointed out at CN–with Kilimnik a US intelligence asset for many years, supposedly handing important polling information to Manafort, and as Mercouris points out both of these individuals favoring Russian oligarchs opposed to Putin, plus into the Ukraine angle somehow and connected to Clinton and Uranium One.
Then again previously we have the Papodoupolis involvement, victim of two more US intelligence people that set him up; plus indications mount that the entire fairy tale singles down (THE basis of the Jan 6 017 “assessments”) to Brennan applying as “intelligence” the Steele Dossier, straight out of the Clinton horse’s mouth.
It will all blow by as usual? Maybe not. I’m with Ray and the Mercouris on this.
But will Billy find Pancho Villa’s head.
What a mess we find ourselves in.
Uruguay looks better ever day.
The deep state is like god, a myth.
But the US since i was 7 in 47 has had a lot of bad actors that collude and continues to, with the likes of kill them all Bolton and nut job Bannon and the insane child Donald Trump.
“Keep Scribbling ” Ray, i always enjoy your indepth and intelligent musings.
Cal an old republican and retired cop.
Democrats including barack hillary and biden plus those in FBI are starting to shake in their boots. They are going down for the illegal fisa warrants.
One can only hope… but mine aren’t very high.
The Deep State is no myth. Read Talbot’s excellent book on Allan Dulles or Prouty’s “Secret Team”.
Yes. Clapper and similar neoliberals do not see Dulles as the mafioso fascist racist mass murderer that he was, instead they revere him as an idol and a hero.
It’s kinda like how they use Orwell and Huxley as blueprints, because there’s simply not enough intelligence to recognise the terrible dystopia, and how it will bite them and their children in the nuts too, eventually..
Well done, Ray! Thanks, once more.
St. Pete, don’t forget Kris Kobach’s cross check operation, which threw some 600K legitimate voters off the voter rolls in MI, WI and PA.
Murky indeed. And Russia is surely in on the joke. After all, with the right people in the White House oil will again flow everywhere, and at the end of the day that’s what makes everyone but environmentalists happy. IMO somebody in DC needed to explain the obviously implausible Trump wins in states like MI, WI, among others, and Putin has been delighted to play along. After all, 19 years of tricksy unvalidated voting machines, gerrymandering, and suppression can only go so far when you have an ass as big as Trump to cover.
St. Pete, don’t forget Kris Kobach’s cross check operation, which threw some 600K legitimate voters off the voter rolls in MI, WI and PA.
And how has Putin benefited from Trump’s administration? Outside of exposing the absurd charade that the electoral system of the U.S. is–which he already knew.
Democrats are lying about Russia collusion and will pay dearly. Voting straight Republican local state and nationally
That actually goes to a very basic issue that party loyalists never could grasp. Most votes come down to, “It’s the economy, stupid.” The Dem voting base had long (since FDR) consisted of the poor and middle class. Democrats split that base wide apart in the 1990s, and the Obama years confirmed that this split is permanent. Last week marked the start of the latest surge of anti-Russian propaganda, indicating Democrats plan to blame Russia again for an expected 2020 defeat. Pray they don’t succeed in provoking a catastrophic war.
At least you got this one right.
Whatever. Question: The Price of oil is down . Why am I still paying over $3.70 a gallon? This does not make me happy. Nor Iranians, Venezuelans, Russians either. Libyans? Make me laugh. Perhaps it makes scumbags and hypocrites happy. There is no Free Market nor is there a Free Press.There is no Democracy. Nor free elections. It is what it is. Thou shalt not gloat.
Thanx, Ray, but frankly, the FBI lost any claim to non-political investigative work decades ago. They aren’t going to do it today.
The longer Ray writes about this the more sense he makes. Generally this is a good sign, a sign that the truth may come to light. However I would urge everyone to remember that time after time this same DOJ has covered for some of CIA’s most dastardly deeds.
Nope, unless Billy Barr changes his past behavior as senior cover-up facilitator for CIA this investigation will go only far enough to “threaten to reveal” the wrong doing. Brennan will get a medal from CIA , retire and the rest will be hidden form public view for eternity. I seen this enough time to know how this story ends. Billy knows this also.
Unless once and for all DOJ is not allowed to let CIA hide behind it’s B.S. sources and methods shield of “protected” lies.
This practice by DOJ is reason to dissolve DOJ in it’s current configuration. Maybe DOJ needs a “Justice Committee to head the Department. Nine people elected by “We the People” who have the power to deadlock the now activist SCOTUS.
Unless Americans gain some courage and demand that their elected representatives put a stop to this B.S. it will continue, the Deep State will make certain of it.
Maybe we need to look to some of these young female politicians getting elected to grab the castration devices and put an end to this B.S.
And the rest of us men need to support them by growing a pair.
What does it take to make everyone understand that the secrecy allowed the intelligence services is the one perk they abuse and need to be relieved of.
The public is reminded on a regular basis that, driving privileges are not a right but a privilege. The intel sector needs to be held accountable and if they abuse their privileges they need to be revoked. They have regularly abused the privilege and they need to be relieved of it. Something that may be better left to the committee of 9 I mentioned. Maybe not but this is clearly out of hand.
This Deep State – Intel Community – DOJ relationship is a vile incestuous cancer and it’s killing the country.
You give these creeps hell Ray, keep up the great work.
Hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha down with democrats
Need another iteration of the Church Committee to reign in our Intelligence Agencies a bit. Although G.H.W. Bush was running Intelligence under and after Reagan (and involved well before that) and had no issues with the October Surprise or the Iran Contra death squad funding.
What all of you don’t seem to realize yet is that ‘social media’ on the Internet, has totally changed the ballgame, nationally and internationally. The free press doesn’t matter anymore; whatever appears in the unregulated and surveillance oriented ‘social media’ sphere controls the public belief.
And as for foreign hacking of the DNC, the old guard CIA analysts need to educated themselves in the current capabilities of remote intrusion. Dumps over local high speed circuits to ‘bot’ computers controlled over lower speed circuits is the new norm.
And Barr ? Barr is Donald Trump’s lap dog; why should he be trusted? Just because the VIPS are sure that the Deep State is the culprit; that’s a good reason to trust Barr, who clearly has a mandate to by his boss to ‘prove’ poor defenseless Donald was viciously attacked.
Glad to see you got it all figured out, JM2
So what say you to the point that the FBI never took possession of the DNC computers?
I mean, it would be a national security issue, Right?
I would also like your informed comment on the fact that Steele’s Russian Dossier was originally surreptitiously retained jointly by the DNC and the Clinton campaign; that fact kept from the public until Oct 2017 (probe starting July or August 2016)..
Any pause for doubt?
Who to trust? Mueller, Brennan, Clapper and Hillary lied under oath to Congress/ the FBI and “create their own realities” about WMDs in Iran, destroying evidence and unlawful collection of data on Americans. Trump is a clown, but not a win at any cost politician
Was the Steele dossier just fake opposition research disinformation embellished by Fusion GPS that the Intelligence Agencies and Obama administration used to spy on Trump as candidate and incoming President?
Or was it truly Kremlin disinformation from Vyacheslav Trubnikov and Vladislav Surkov as Steele claimed, that the DNC spread to sow discord and paralyze government operations in concert with the Russians?
Are you addressing me, Micheal?
I doubt it’s as convoluted as you are suspecting.
I believe it’s a Podesta-inspired Wag-The-Dog..
And I certainly see no reason to doubt McGovern & Binney.
They have little to gain and have to deal with the panicking fascist tin hats.
Cannot be much fun..
Brennan, Clapper, Hayden, and Barack are all likely involved.
The first three freaked that The Donald didn’t share the company line on the Evil Vlad.
The obsequious Obama, always wanting to please, goes along….
I’ve seen jm2’s horse shit before. It is meant to sow doubt in the “younger generation” about old guys like Binney not being up to date on computer stuff like jm2. Probably a paid DNC or “intelligence” agency troll. He never addresses all the other non-technical aspects that point to the truth of the “RussiaGate” psyop.
I don’t share McGovern’s optimism that AG Barr (or anyone else) will pursue an investigation against the criminal elites in the deep state. The documents that McGovern thinks will uncover the smoking gun that will cause the underlings to turn on their masters have already met their fate in the bottom of the shredder.
Anyone who has enough integrity to come forth with evidence against people like Brennan will face a smear campaign that will results in criminal charges and prison. If necessary the deep state will make sure that these brave and intrepid souls will simply “commit suicide” or be diagnosed with a sudden case of a life-ending disease.
After awhile, the whole episode will dissolve into the next scandal de jour.
So you don’t agree that the assassinations of JFK, RFK, MLK, Malcolm X, Fred Hampton and other lesser lights were just a historical hiccup of the ’60s? The Intelligence Agencies run the country. McGovern is naive as an ex-CIA agent if he truly doesn’t know this.
Allen Dulles was fired by JFK after the Bay of Pigs (where the President took the blame for McGeorge Bundy countermanding his orders, as Eisenhower had when his peace negotiations with the Soviets were derailed by an unauthorized (CIA-controlled) launch of Gary Powers spy plane). After Dulles was fired the heads and top level of the CIA kept meeting with him weekly for advice/ orders on their projects (the same is likely happening with Brennan, who still has his security clearances despite Presidential order to rescind.)
Heads of our Intelligence Agencies are even more above the Law than our powerful establishment politicians.
Supported by History, sadly enough.
Flavor Flav of Public Enemy: Don’t believe the hype…
It appears the Zionist power configuration, Saudi terror network and certain elements within the militarist-intel establishment (not all elements by any means since their are a few dissenting voices)) are ginning up hysteria over this morning’s attack on the oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz. A U.S. “official” is now quoted as saying it’s highly likely Iran was behind the attack.
Of course all CN readers know full well it was most of these same warmongering players and their corporate media lackeys who have tried to sell us serious lies and deceptions before.
Iran would receive no conceivable benefit whatsoever by provocatively attacking this petrol tanker and thereby inviting the scorn and revulsion of much of the industrialized world. But of course it’s the exact incendiary attack the warmongering Iranophobes in the West would use to galvanize public support for a bombing run against Tehran.
It’s interesting this happened right after major reports have come out credibly mentioning Trump’s dissatisfaction with Bolton and Trump’s likely impending decision to remove Bolton from his post. A violent event of this type is the exact casus belli which could cause the Trump regime to re-think it’s decision to toss Bolton overboard.
Don’t believe the hype.
Sounds like you are suggesting that there are at least certain elements within the Deep State that take their orders from Bolton and not from Trump, even in matters of war that may threaten all life on the planet. Why does this sound so entirely plausible to me?
It’s all so bananas.
Pompeo has just released a statement 100% blaming Iran.
Dangerous times. But that’s uttering an axiomatic platitude.
“Why does this sound so entirely plausible to me?”
Because “certain elements within the Deep State” owe their allegiance to Israel, which has German-built subs stationed in the Gulf waters. I doubt that Bolton has command of US Naval assets, but he most certainly has influence with the Israelis. Israel is always looking for ways to harass Iran, and the prospect of losing a valuable asset like Bolton-In-The-White-House might be enough to spur them to such a desperate act.
Wonder if they will finally interview Bill Binney.
Is this a case of wishful thinking?
I am heartened to see Ray McGovern make clear the likelihood that the CIA was quite as much involved as the FBI in the whole Russia-did-it fantasy of these last several years.
Were the “Brennen-Clapper-Comey” trio, “commissioned by Obama”, to be exposed with real evidence, of irrefutable
substance, then it might well shake up public awareness, and even conscience, sufficiently that actual justice might have to be sought, might be unavoidable, despite the all too obvious ability of the powerful, for decades, to escape accountability. Especially were such evidence to be presented before the magic Cinderella hours of statutes of limitation run out …
My appreciation, once again, to Ray McGovern for daring to say what must needs be said, especially if this society is not to be utterly destroyed through the use of an empty form of law, an example of which is the Espionage Act, which prohibits a “public interest” defense, being used against Julian Assange, which empty form is being used to undermine the rule of law, even as propaganda is being used to obscure truth and hide the criminal behavior of those holding high positions of power in government and within the corporations which effectively own and control that government AND its military empire.
Watch the Mark Steyn 2-part interview with George Papadopoulos … it’s incredible and entertaining … and you will no longer have any doubt of CIA involvement.
“Brennan made me do it!” Exactly right, Ray McGovern.
I just don’t believe the truth will come out, the Democrats are hell-bent on hiding the truth. Republicans aren’t helping, either. It will get papered over, talked to death. And now things got very serious today with sinking of Japanese oil tanker near Strait of Hormuz as Japan’s Abe met with Iran officials. Someone (who?) immediately blaming Iran, what sense? Like USS Liberty, suspect Israel. Then Assange request for extradition signed by UK administrator. Seems to me that Orwellian forces of control are really being pushed to max. Global geopolitics getting ready for war, will take over.
Thanks Ray. Very helpful as usual. Brennan will lead right to Hannigan and GCHQ, and the the rest of the dirty operation on the other side of the pond as well. I hope we win this time, with so much on the line. I think it a good idea to let the WH know what we think. Time to take the gloves off, and get the document declassification underway. (202) 456-1111.
Trump will certainly reign in his subordinates in the last minute again. He is creating a WWF wrestling match.
“The Kremlin is convinced the United States is laying the groundwork for regime change in Russia, a conviction further reinforced by the events in Ukraine. Moscow views the United States as the critical driver behind the crisis in Ukraine and believes that the overthrow of former Ukrainian President Yanukovych is the latest move in a long-established pattern of U.S.-orchestrated regime change efforts.”
Going back at least to Yeltsin, it is clear even to armchair types like me, that we were interfering in Russian affairs, and we boasted about it. What we were doing, while hypocritically crying about Russian interference seems to be a strong argument as to why the Russians might want to interfere in our elections. Of course, even if they did, it is pure nonsense to claim it made one iota in determining the outcome of the election. In fact, the claim of Russian interference by Clinton was as a negative for Trump.
As to Brennan, et al, it is time to hold someone accountable for the criminal behavior that got us into the mess that followed 9/11.
I have long considered Russia’s game as “Catching Up”.
“I have long considered Russia’s game as “Catching Up”.”
A useful question in “intelligence” is – Do you think your opponents are as stupid as you are?
The opponents continue to rely in some assay in projection of beliefs.
In context these trends were multiplied given that “exceptionalists” tend to assign significance to themselves that others do not assign to them, although this is not perceived by “exceptionalists” who tend to rely on projection of beliefs.
“Going back at least to Yeltsin, it is clear even to armchair types like me, that we were interfering in Russian affairs, and we boasted about it.”
What were the outcomes of these processes by 2019?
“What we were doing, while hypocritically crying about Russian interference seems to be a strong argument as to why the Russians might want to interfere in our elections.”
A useful question in “intelligence” is – Do you think your opponents are as stupid as you are?
The outcomes by 2019 were facilitated in part by opponents which in turn were facilitated in part by knowledge gained through the process whilst not being perceived by those reliant on projections of beliefs.
The opponents continue to rely in some assay in projection of beliefs.
The projection of beliefs by others is very useful for some whose “criticism” of projection often leads to deeper immersion of opponents in their beliefs and practices whilst silence in the matter is often perceived as confirmation often leading to deeper immersion of opponents in their beliefs and practices.
In context these trends were multiplied given that “exceptionalists” tend to assign significance to themselves that others do not assign to them, although this is not perceived by “exceptionalists” who tend to rely on projection of beliefs.
Such are amongst the wonders of wonderlands and lands of make believe.
Thanks Ray. We can only hope that Barr is successful and will pursue where the evidence leads. In all honesty, I have my doubts. If Barr has any skeletons in his closet, he will likely be blackmailed. If that isn’t a viable option, there is always “sudden cardiac arrest”. Devils like Brennan and Clapper will stop at nothing. Witnesses can be easily stifled, or worse. Trying to subject raw evil power to the rule of law is noble, but I fear we are beyond that now.