Trump’s possible backtracking on withdrawal from Syria means he may have been once again outmaneuvered by the Deep State, says Virginia State Senator Dick Black.
Following the outcry after President Donald Trump’s announcement that he was pulling U.S. troops from Syria, it appears that Trump may be succumbing to political pressure. U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) visited the White House on Dec. 30 and afterward told reporters: “We talked about Syria. He told me some things I didn’t know that made me feel a lot better about where we’re headed in Syria,” Graham said. Trump’s withdrawal plans are “slowing down in a smart way,” Graham said, according to NBC News.
The Washington Post added: ” ‘Graham described Trump’s decision as ‘a pause situation’ rather than a withdrawal, telling reporters, “I think the president’s taking this really seriously.” Graham said: “He promised to destroy ISIS. He’s going to keep that promise. We’re not there yet. But as I said today, we’re inside the 10-yard line, and the president understands the need to finish the job.”
By Senator Dick Black
Virginia State Senate, 13th District
The mainstream media refuses to acknowledge that the hardest fighting against ISIS and al Qaeda has been done by Syria and its allies. Indeed, we label Iran’s fight against Syrian terrorists as “malign activity,” ignoring the fact that al Qaeda in Syria [al Nusra] is the progeny of the al Qaeda force that highjacked jets and flew them into the Twin Towers and Pentagon, killing 3,000 Americans on 9-11.
Pulitzer Prize-winning author, Seymour Hersh, wrote that a Defense Intelligence Agency review of Syrian policy in 2013 revealed that clandestine CIA Program Timber Sycamore, had degenerated into a program that armed all terrorists indiscriminately, specifically including ISIS and al Qaeda. I seriously doubt that this was merely a program failure. There is strong evidence that the U.S. planned to overthrow Syria in 2001; the U.S. Embassy in Damascus issued a detailed strategy to destabilize Syria in 2006–long before the so-called “Arab Spring;” and that our focus has consistently been on toppling the duly elected, constitutional and UN-recognized government of Syria.
It’s sickening to hear these clowns repeatedly claim that “Assad murdered 500,000 of his people,” as though the U.S.-backed terrorists have played no role in the killings. I’ve viewed hundreds of beheadings and crucifixions online but none committed by Syria troops–all were proudly posted by the hellish filth that we’ve recruited, armed and trained for the past eight years. Major war crimes, like beheading 250 Syrian soldiers after running them across the desert in their underpants, were scarcely mentioned by the MSM.
During a five-hour drive across liberated Syria this September, I spoke with many people, from desert shepherds, to nuns and Muslim religious. There were palpable expressions of joy that the Syrian armed forces had liberated them from the terrorists. That was coupled with broad-based, unequivocal support for President Bashar al Assad and the Syrian Armed Forces.
This disastrous war would never have occurred without American planning and execution. And it would have ended years and hundreds of thousands of casualties ago had we closed our training and logistics bases in Jordan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar. The Syrian War had little to do with the “Arab Spring” and much to do with clandestine actions of CIA, MI-6, Mossad, Turkish MIT, French DGSE, Saudi GID and others, working with the savage Syrian Muslim Brotherhood. We trained and recruited far more terrorists than we killed, and we will encounter those survivors again, at other times and places.
It is instructive that, despite President Donald Trump’s strong directive on a rapid Syrian pull-out, apparently not one soldier or Marine has departed Syria. And the argument that they’re tied up with fighting ISIS doesn’t hold water. On Syria’s southern border, across from Jordan, lies the U.S. base at al Tanf. ISIS is nowhere around. Al Tanf’s sole purpose is to hold and defend the sovereign territory of Syria (using a 55 km no-fly zone). It denies Syria the right to restore order and provide aid to starving Syrians trapped in the American zone.
Al Tanf is the canary in the Syrian coal mine. If Trump’s pullout has any credibility, the 800 or so troops and equipment assigned there could be withdrawn across the Jordanian border within 24 hours. Their failure to do so suggests duplicity by our foreign policy shadow government. The Pentagon seems unresponsive to the Commander-in-Chief, and he has surrounded himself with advisors whose allegiance does not lie with him–or with the American people.
Republican Senator Richard H. Black represents the 13th district of Virginia, encompassing parts of both Loudoun and Prince Williams Counties in northern Virginia.
People like Mr Black need loud support from all clear-thinking Americans.
You’ve had a similar chance before, with the most respectable Mr Ron Paul.
Yet you let it slip, having been blinded by Obama’s reptile smile and fooled by the predominant PC “identity” zeitgeist.
Please by wiser next time around.
And do not fear a third or fourth or fifth political party.
Thinking beyond the Dem/Rep antagonism will not put an end to the world, honest.
Hint: If a candidate, no matter the appearance and charme, supports – or is supported by – Henry “the impaler” Kissinger and Wall Street, it’s probably a good idea to completely ignore him/her and vote for the opponent instead. Try it. For once.
Hint #2: If in doubt, turn to the wisdom of the brightest amongst your artists, the makers of South Park for example, who have been consistently right about societal developments for decades now.
We, the rest of the world, have not yet entirely given up on you Americans. Just give us a sign.
sen black just can’t get himself to recognize that big smelly gorrilla in the room, ISRAEL.
but that sems to be par for the course. everybodys except ken o’keefe is a fraid of israel.
remember the disgusting way tough US combat marine vietnam vet senator hagel was personally embarrassed by the jewish lobby like a scared litle girl?
Sir, I am a Democrat living in Washington State, and I agree with you 100%. We need well-intentioned conservatives, liberals, and moderates of conscience and principle, like yourself, to take the reins. The bipartisan support for un-American warmongering must be replaced. I am certain I could find many area of disagreement with you, but we can worry about that after we restore the Republic and ditch the empire. Best of luck, and I hope to see you in Congress.
It makes me wonder about who is really in-charge of the Middle-East policy in the Trump administration. Just to name a few possible names … AIPAC, Neocon war mongers, Lindsey Graham, John Bolton, Trump’s son-in-law…
I just read the below article by Daniel Larison :
” President Trump’s national security adviser, John R. Bolton, rolled back on Sunday Mr. Trump’s decision to rapidly withdraw from Syria, laying out conditions for a pullout that could leave American forces there for months or even years.
One of the reasons that I didn’t believe that U.S. withdrawal from Syria would really happen was the presence of Bolton and Pompeo on Trump’s national security team. As committed Iran hawks, they have strong incentives to delay and undermine any withdrawal plan, and Bolton is already doing that with his current trip abroad to “reassure” regional clients. It seems that they will pay lip service to the long-term goal of withdrawal, play along with the idea that U.S. forces will eventually leave, but then set so many conditions and create so many obstacles to withdrawal that it will never take place.”
We are so f**ked that at this point, if the president can’t do anything to reverse the globalist agenda, there’s not much else we can do, except try to help the people who have been exploited by the exploiters at a grassroots level. Can’t help but feel party responsible for the IMF and my country’s doing , pillaging the world and bringing “freedom and democracy”. At this point we need to learn survival skills, skills that help us gain our independence so we don’t have to rely on anyone but ourselves. God help us all.
You would think Donald Trump would know how to evacuate Syria. After all, Trump and the US helped ISIS escape Syria.
O Society, that’s what Allies do? ISIS & ISIL are proxy army creations of the US Empire, mere vassals & assets like NATO, the EU & UK etc. The US should reward their Ally ISIS by extraditing them back to America, where they belong!
Trump isn’t trying to “outmanoevre” the deep state.
Without their tacit agreement, he would not be sitting in the White House.
Let’s not be naive here.
Trump’s too stupid to outmanoeuvre the Deepstate? Contrary to the opinion that Trump is some kind of mastermind conducting 4D Chess against his foes, the man’s proven to be a bumbling incompetent? Every attempt of his to get out of places that the US is illegally occupying like in Syria is rebuffed & he is forced to flip flop & reverse direction on the decision like a dying Haliburt fish flapping about once landed?
You’re so right my friend, problem is about 95% of Americans wouldn,t have a clue as to what you’re talking about.
What’s your evidence? I studied that a bit; there’s no hard core evidence that it was not the jets that brought it down. In my opinion. And the way the buildings dropped makes sense to me, with 30 years in construction. Did Washington take advantage of that tragedy and invade Iraq and Afghanistan? Yes.
Building 7 was brought down by a jet?
Syria won the war —-America lost–so American troops are coming home .
No the troops stay because there is a mutiny underway in the USA.
Is it a just now a discovery that Trump NEVER tells the truth?
So why did the media and everybody Blue and Red believe the Syria lie? Because they all wanted to believe it.
Get woke America, Trump does this shit just to deflect attention on his many legal embarrassments.
Trump announced a withdrawal knowing nothing about the Syrian Kurds, & got snookered by Erdogan, plain and simple.
this was as bad as he’s ever looked as president…
Wow, someone with the courage to speak the unvarnished truth. You really wonder about Trump. Is he just a craven blustering coward or has this President or any President become just figureheads to display to the world that we are a republic and a democracy. It is heartening to hear the words of Dick Black, that someone in an elected office has the courage to speak the truth. It is disheartening to acknowledge that he almost alone around the Washington beltway. His story about the Syrian soldiers really pisses me off, can’t think or any other to express my outrage at the atrocity and our great media operators silence.
Senator Black is a Virginia legislator, thus not inside the beltway. It’s too bad he’s totally ignored by MSM but I guess we’ve come to expect that. He’s made 3 trips to Syria so far, the first alongside Hawaiian Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard who upon their return mirrored Sen. Black’s report (“we’re being lied to, Assad is not a monster”) but she backed away from the issue shortly afterward, likely on the “advice” of her higher-ups. Dick Black knows what’s going on, I have to admire his fortitude and plan on spreading this article on all social media, as we all should.
But of course, trump has been (fill in the proper term)=headline question uses “Outmaneuvered.” But as Chuckman says in his comment, that is needlessly tricky-just say he is being ignored and played.
Luongo says it is time to put the question to the test on whether trump wants to fight the deep state evil psychopaths or not. He thinks giuliani ,’s statement on assange entitled to 1st amend protection could be the start of a good thing. Of course, he will need to shut pompeo and bolton up if possible on this issue.
Regardless of his rolling over thus far, if trump is serious, he needs to bring in the guns from assange and take these cretins down-read isreal, adelson, graham, pompeo,bolton-all of this may be just fantasy and the battle with DS may already be over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pcia3eP64TI (11 minutes)
I am not totally familiar with luongo and I am againt trying to debate major foreign issues via yutube and assist the tubers via contributions to patreon but there we are today, it is what it is as they say.
Remember Barack Obama ‘s executive order to close the disaster at Guantanamo Bay? Plus ca change…..
Remember when Obama ordered the sharing of intelligence with the Russians to combat ISIS in Syria, and then had the agreement immediately sabotaged at Deir-Ezzor? It is being willfully blind to think that any president has been “Commander in Chief” since Nov.22, 1963.
That’s a good view of things. Hitler and Stalin immersed themselves into the job of Operational Command of their countries, yet both bitched about being deceived by underlings with agendas all the time. Militaries and Corporations are bureaucracies and the first instinctive task of any bureaucrat is to protect their gravy train. Especially from ‘visionary’ CEOs or Kings or Dictators. Caligula tried to rewire Rome & he paid the price. Lincoln tried to reunify the US and look what they did to him.
I hope that more articles by State Senator Black shall appear here. Refreshing! I can only wonder how many of his fellow senators share Mr Black’s broad outlook?
Indeed. I took a double-take after I began reading this piece to confirm that my eyes were not discieving me. Senator Black is a rare bird who inhabits a corrupt swamp of sellout politicians that are in the thrall of the war industries and the banksters. Black possesses a clear-eyed vision of the criminal deep state’s atrocious agendas. His integrity is refreshing.
I’m not speaking from a place of wisdom in this more than just hope but I think the deep state is tired, they’re falling apart I don’t recall seeing so much transparent ineptitude in my life regarding supposedly national security matters i.e. False flags and dirty tricks that were so completely ham-ham-handediy perpetrated it seemed as if they were daring the world to catch them.
Besides, it is going to be increasingly difficult for the militarists and deep state to justify and uphold the thwarting of the Manafest will of the American people, that is that the troops come home. My guess is many politicians are going to find themselves out of a job if they do not follow through with those wishes, at a certain point that has to make a difference, they can slow this thing down but the clock is ticking, hopefully they don’t get us all killed in the meantime, Happy new year!
I’ve noticed this too, but rather than tired the empire appears more desperate, not concerned anymore if a few are able to see through the charade as long as they can be contained, silenced, or neutralized. This is also what happens when an organization selects conformity as the main criterion for advancement. After all the independent thinkers (troublemakers) are weeded out, it becomes saturated with careerist yes-men who have no innate talent, principles, common sense, or judgment.
The Skripal poisoning comes to mind as a false flag that was not well thought out and completely bungled. Luckily, the corporate media came to the rescue, tied a nice bow on it, and flushed it down the memory hole. Lincoln said that you cannot fool all of the people all the time, but witness what can be perpetrated when you can fool most of them most of the time.
I actually think that this sh*t-show is just getting started. Any empire that is willing to kill millions of innocent people in order to expand its global influence and control will not hesitate to do the same to its own citizens if needed. It doesn’t take much imagination to see gun confiscation, martial law, and the use aerial drones if they even catch a whiff of domestic revolt in the air.
You definitely make some excellent points and it’s going to be dicey at best but I’m just not sure how the US military is actually going to carry-on if there is an escalation anywhere, there is something in the neighborhood of 21 to 25 suicides of both active-duty and veteran’s daily, not to mention they just don’t even believe in the missions anymore.
I totally agree with you on the likelihood of a crackdown if things really go south for the Empire, on the other hand even yes men have families and actually creating walled in communities for all of them including: security forces not to mention maintenance infrastructure management is probably a bridge too far at least at this point, they would actually need in active war of some magnitude to justify all that and hopefully in the meantime cooler heads will prevail.
All of that being said, the fact that there are major rifts in the non-neocon right-wing, even evangelicals spells doom for the Empire, I have not personally have the stomach to Peru’s Breitbart lately but have some experience with that, Americans even from the right wing are capable of learning, go figure, Lol. These folks are starting to get the correlation between the endless wars, the endless refugee crisis in the welfare warfare State,
Maybe this is all just hope speaking, I’m myself coming originally from the left have come to hate the left as they are now the biggest water carriers for empire, on the other hand there are just so many bright spots if you look hard enough, the horror story that the Israeli State has inflicted upon the Palestinians recently has done more to create a rift between American Jews and Israel then any other time in recent history. Combine that with this new ridiculous law which amounts to a loyalty oath to the state of Israel for folks doing business with the state, the US Empire not to mention our biggest satellites Israel and Saudi Arabia has never looked so ugly.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think this thing is going to be ending tomorrow, in fact I think this zombie Predator welfare state i.e. the US Empire is going to stumble around for quite a while before it seizes up in its tracks but the writing is on the wall, I would expect to see some Capital flight from the military industrial complex over the next 2 to 10 years, right between the Time we go broke and the state decides it needs to reappropriate the wealth of it’s recently fallen Superman, if any of us survive, oh to be a fly on the wall when that little fiasco gets rolling. Anyway best and keep the faith Brother, all tyrants fall.
“….rather than tired the empire appears more desperate….”
Savage beasts are most dangerous when cornered.
“….this sh*t-show is just getting started….”
Would it weren’t so.
Yep just like on Immigration and don’t blame the Cheap I mean Deep State. Its the Laws of Physics, what kinetic potential exists for a withdrawal vs. inertia . Not little /None. Here’s one for you …. Yeah after all these years there was finally an accounting last year of Pentagon Spending. It’s been required by law since 1979 or 89 , whenever, its been a long time and under Trump one finally got done. Did you hear about it? In something of a surprise only $41 Trillion, yep, Trillion couldn’t be accounted for. At $500 bucks a hammer and untold “Private Contractors ” everywhere, bribes everywhere , oh the pain, the pain,,, I can’t go on. ANYWAY > When is Consortium News going to print an article on that topic that we can all disgust in depth ,,, I men discuss sorry, my bad.
Nothing personal man but consortium certainly is in the end all or be all on much other then the liberal outlook from the perspective of US spooks that suddenly grew a conscience, this is a paper with a Eastern establishment right think opinion, at least for the most part, I doubt many of them have ever questioned the feds roll in making this warfare state possible but at least they’re not neocons and once in a while they do a pretty decent job of something, anyway, Happy holidays.
I think there’s something wrong with your spelling or your punctuation or both, mon ami. In any case, having studied English all my life, I can’t make head or tail of your post. I learned, for example, that “in” is a preposition and “roll” is something you eat, or that a wheel does. ?
It is difficult to believe your ‘ lifetime’ study of English yielded much in the way of discourse analysis. Buddy spelt ‘rôle`wrong. I hope it makes you happy. De minimis non curat lex.
No surprise here. Trump, The Interloper, came into office at the worst possible time, just as the empire was making significant progress with its grand plan of world domination. Whatever he attempts in opposition to this plan will be sabotaged if any of his handlers should catch wind of it beforehand, or quietly walked back if he happens to blurt it out in one of his many random tweets. He has no power; they won’t even give him his stupid wall.
I actually think that Trump’s heart was in the right place when he ran, Grinchy though it is, but he naively thought the presidency was a position of power. He is in way over his head, but makes for a great source of distraction while they carry on the work of empire.
So far, any populist opposition has been successfully crushed or reversed. Arab Spring, reversed. Grexit, crushed. Brexit, currently contained, soon to be reversed. Yellow Vests, crushed. Even Obama’s “Hope & Change” was a scam from the very beginning.
Don’t get caught up in personalities, and try to keep your eye on the big picture. It is a multi-national endeavor with many moving parts, like the EU, Russiagate, immigration, and ME wars. And it is continually cloaked with propaganda and a dizzying swarm of meaningless media distractions, like Trump.
Your observation of the charade in progress has lots of merit…and as the “independent” news sources have pretty well dried up and even social media has been completely enveloped their “one” narrative will carry the day with the ‘demented’ that were created in their propaganda blitz of the past 50 odd years…
Your so on it!… The “Edge of Tomorrow” Tom Cruise, Emily Blunt… LOL… Maybe the Reptilians of Byzantium, the Oscars of prophetic history, will find the alien source of all our troubles, while, being surrounded by the very otto-toxic nobles of the Federalize Empires of the World Bankster Cartel … aka the chosen for a NWO empire and the rabbinate that write the script of the Trumpian Obelisks of Free Masonry’s aka… Resurrection of the trump empire via international mafia… the “Unseen Hand” of so called legitimate fronts called corporate business AND USURY. This is all by the numbers! Why was the fake news of getting rid of the Federal Reserve Board so important in the rhetorical context of the Trumpian campaign… He is a crypto gold loving hobnobber… sanctioned by the New York Mafioso and the cryptic towers of Zion…
The Arab spring was a US OP. See engdahl In his book manifest Destiny for evidence of that
I find Engdahl’s claim difficult to accept. I can see the IC and State Dept getting their operatives in there to try and control outcomes, but I still believe the Arab uprisings were organic in origin.
Just look at State under HRC. She couldn’t even operate an email server, or win an election against a second rate TV reality show host with everyone’s thumbs on the scale. These technological dinosaurs are just now trying to get their arms around social media; back in 2010 they were probably all still using flip-phones. The youth who orchestrated the Arab Spring were tech and social media savvy. If our operatives were involved, it was probably to learn how to set up their own social media accounts and login.
Let’s say the US was behind the Arab Spring as another in their series of ‘color’ revolution regime-change projects. This seems awfully dangerous in the neighborhood of our favorite oil-producing, despotic kingdom. Wouldn’t it be insanely risky to start a bevy of populist uprisings in such close proximity to SA without any assurance that the House of Saud would not fall victim as well?
Well said and refreshingly accurate defining the conflicts with spot on analysis.
What a great article from Senator Black. Maybe he can become VA’s senator instead of a state senator? He is absolutely correct that we are a part of the problem. We have no business in Syria and need to get out. The Saudi’s are doing enough damage with our weapons there and a stable Syria, yes run by Assad, is better for us and our European allies than another ISIS hornet’s nest. There is a long list of people in VA who are struggling with opioid addiction who can use the money we are wasting on Blackwater providing security.
Way to go Senator Black-
Well, we know that all specific talk, as about time interval or dates, concerning withdrawal has stopped.
And we learn today from Al Jazeera that bombing in the US-occupied areas has actually increased.
That sounds needlessly tricky.
“Ignore” or simply “push out of way” seem more appropriate verbs.
Yeah, I think Patrick Lawrence had it right with “Don’t Hold Your Breath on US Troop Withdrawal from Syria” posted on CN December 19.
Ignore… There is nothing left to push aside.
As long as the overriding system of our society is capitalist domination, we will live with the consequences of empowering a few to enslave the many. Just shuffling the cards within this evil system will never give us freedom and peace. We will either overthrow and replace this deadly system, or we will be destroyed by it.
thank you, mike k
It’s going to be more like living in North Korea. The water for the frog is warming up.
That sums it up nicely!
Excellent concise statement by Senator Black, and some really good comments/addendums so far. The more that begin to speak up acknowledging the truth, the more that will in turn, speak up. Maybe the conspiracy of silence can be broken. What has been the reaction to the fact that NBC’s Meet the Press last Sunday dedicated not one, two, or even five minutes of their broadcast, but their entire show – to climate change and AGW? I could hardly believe it, and now; crickets.
HQ Dudley (below) explains why the US is most irretrievably NOT exceptional. We have not advanced the cause of sustainable human relations. We could have, but I believe the dead president we just embalmed with a sugar glaze declared “There will be no Peace dividend!” How like “pumpkin spice,” which of course has nothing to do with pumpkins.
Maybe the use of the term “deep state” is too loaded with partisan baggage, and it really isn’t the correct way to name it anyhow, or rather, it isn’t that at all, which should be named. Many have known for some time where power lies, who gets first suckle at the plumpest teat, who shapes policy, and whom the courts serve. Many more, it seems to me, are beginning to realize it. What needs to be named, or rather more correctly named is that half-formed accusation of “fake news.” It’s got legs and traction because the autohagiography of the American Century is a narrative of myth, exaggeration, hubris, outright lies, and domestically directed propaganda. It’s a veritable open smorgasbord for every partisan palette because every party has been party to it. Every modern communication device yet invented hums with the electronic façade, the digital disguise, the persuasion to possess more stuff and the notion that YOU might not be good enough. When I turn on MY computer it says “Welcome” and I know that I commiserate within the gaze of the bosses.
It isn’t any wonder that conspiracy theories are growing like mold or oceanic dead zones.
“It’s not the way that you say it,
when you do those things to me;
It’s more the way you really mean it,
when you tell me what will be.”
– Moody Blues; Question
Thanks. Good comments.
Yes, even the “deep-state” puppets have their puppeteers.
Data and sources have been missing from the news from around March, 2012.
The only recourse for those who are still wondering about the actual events comprises of vectoring potential answers to two questions :
1. Which parties are involved as decision-makers, when you follow the money?
2. Who benefits from the eventual “solution”?
Of course, this is a recursive process and you have to think four or five steps ahead by asking: Then what?”
They took a lot of LSD. The good stuff. Like Ken Kesey and a few others who took part in a CIA Experiment back in the days well before “The Doors” Broke On Through to the other side. . Kesey related humorously in an interview how the experiment was stopped abruptly when the people conducting the experiments noticed something in the eyes of their subjects/volunteers that they found unsettling. Keep up the good work by the way.
Perhaps Deep State should be replaced with Permanent State.
The U.S. Carried Out Regime Change In Syria In 1949 … and Tried Again In 1957, 1986, 1991 and 2011-Today
So Thom, your conclusion would seem to be that Senator Black’s remarks are invalid? This has the signs of an ad hominem attack. Sorry, those remarks are true, whoever uttered them. Comments such as yours should not distract us from the truth.
The easiest person to outmaneuver or con, is one who thinks he knows everything and is always right. And thus the great Trump is really the great sucker Trump.
That covers a hell of a lot of ‘souls’ on this planet eh! We should all ‘observe’ what the mirror discloses, at least periodically!!!
Senator Black could have traced the terrorist Al Qaeda network back to our intervention in Afghanistan in the 1970s. Our CIA supported the radical Islamists in their attempt to overthrow the socialist and secular Afghan government, who then requested aid from the Soviets. With the ensuing “Soviet invasion,” our Congress fully funded this rebellion. The result was the Taliban and 9/11.
Americans have been using extremists for their imaginary great game for more than fifty years.
Recently while trying to increase my understanding of historical Persia and the region generally I came across the wiki entries for “The Great Game.” Yours is an accurate allusion.
Very well said. Net profits: the arms industry and all war all the time, whether or not our troops are involved.
Ask how that money is spent…
Indeed, the Sept.11 massacre was also “American planning and execution “(of American citizens), albeit supplemented with players from Israel and Saudi Arabia.
Senator Black, America needs you in Washington. At last a voice of sanity in US politics.
And by defeating ISIS in Syria we leave the people of Syria in the Hands of the Assad family. Its like leaving them in the hands of Hitler and the SS. Lose/lose for US and Trump. Win for corrupt Dems who are owned by the Military industry.
I cannot agree that the Assad family equates with Hitler and the SS. Every government on the planet behaves as a totalitarian when it is threatened; take away the threat and hopefully, they can relax. Plus, the anti-Assad forces have spewed a continuous thread of demonizing propaganda, such that we cannot be sure of reality. Take the ‘barrel bombs’ for instance. These sound terrible, but in reality they are nothing in comparison to the 500 pounds of TNT the US casually drops. The Sarin attacks are most likely fabricated false-flags. So, we don’t really know anything about Syria and the Assads, and what we think we know is probably false.
“Every government on the planet behaves as a totalitarian when it is threatened”
Very good point. You’ve put your finger on the mechanism of the Cold War and the arms race. But I’d add one thing: the US government behaves as totalitarian despite the fact that it is not threatened.
It is not the business of the USA to determine in whose hands the Syrian people are left. Seems they, the Syrians have chosen and for the US to play god after being responsible for the death and displacement of millions is arrogantly evil.
Google the makeup of Assad’s Syrian Army. Unless the info has been tampered with, which does happen with Google, 25% of the Syrian Army is Shia (Assad is Shia). About 75% of the Syrian Army is Sunni (the Saudi’s, Assad’s enemies, are Sunni). From the beginning of the Arab Spring, there has been very little desertion from the Syrian Army, Shia or Sunni. Reportedly, they’re committed to a secular government that includes all religions, like Assad’s, rather than a theological takeover by one Islam sect or another. We all can imagine what incentives to desert have been laid before that army.
It might surprise you to know that most Syrians prefer the secular dictator Assad to the fanatical head-choppers who would have replaced him. Assad has done many bad things, but he is not Hitler. And Senator Black is correct in stating that much of the bloodshed of the Syrian civil war never would have occurred had the U.S. and its allies not interfered in that country’s affairs and supported known jihadists. “Moderate rebels” were always a fiction.
It is not, nor has it ever been, a “civil war”.
Support your statement that Assad has done “many bad things”.
Exactly Gregory! There is not an ounce of proof to support the “evil Assad” psyop. It is a shame that constant repetition leads to acceptance of propaganda narratives. Assad received almost 90% of the votes with over 70% turnout in 2014. I doubt the Syrian people are stupid enough to re-elect a man who has done “many bad things” by such a large margin.
There was no civil war. Assad is Alawite but not his wife nor most of his army and his regime is the opposite of sectarian, if not perfect. Even Assad’s (internal) opposition is acknowledging Assad’s efforts to do real reform. He has the support (against the foreign assault on Syria) of the majority of Syrians. For a good, accessible backgrounder on Syria, you will find Stephen Gowan’s “Washington’s Long War On Syria” to be excellent.
Hitler and the SS?
Sorry, but that’s just totally uninformed.
Assad is a fairly decent leader in the region.
Look at how the army has stuck by him through all this horror.
And Syria’s many Christians regard him as their protector.
And when the good old US destroyed Iraq – talk about Hitler – guess who took in about 2 million refugees?
That “terrible” man, Assad.
Rubbish. Go to Syria and ask all you meet for their opinions, like many of my friends have done. A huge majority fully support their President and their army. I have many Syrian friends in Syria and here in Tunisia who think the same way. Once again … go to Syria and talk to everyone you meet … you will be very surprised.
Andre Vitchek did just that for us., pictures and all. Here is his report from the people of Syria; https://countercurrents.org/2019/01/05/seven-gates-of-damascus-and-concrete-walls-of-kabul/
It seems you may have taken a wrong turn on the internet and become lost while searching for QAnon riddles. Please provide some explanation for such an embarrassingly bizarre statement.
There is a sizeable Assyrian (Christian orthodox) community in Sweden. Ask almost any of them, and they will say, reluctantly because they know what is the official opinion trumpeted in the msm, that they much prefer Assad to the alternatives, because his government protected the Christians and other minorities and upheld a secular state.
Also, the half of the population that are women have had much much better opportunities than in comparable Arab states all since Assad the elder was in power.
Who defeated ISIS in Syria? And who created ISIS in the first place?
And what qualities do “we” have that makes us superior to those of the Syrian people, who have chosen Assad, an educated, decent man, as their leader. Have you ever considered that you don’t understand what you are talking about?
Are you really assuming that “we” went to Syria to liberate the people? Like “we” liberated the Iraqis, the Libyans, and many others?
You know about Hitler and the SS only what you have heard from the BS media and politicians.
The “victors”, who had incinerated millions of people. (Can you name them?)
Do some research and find out who caused of all these wars and for what purpose.
This represents a textbook example of a “perversion of truth”. The terrorist factions–armed, trained, supplied, and “covered” primarily by U.S/Israeli/Saudi/British intelligence–were defeated by the brave Syrian Army (a true “people’s” army), Iranian fighters, and the Russian Federation Air Force.
What makes this particular perversion so damned perverted is the reality of the sufferings inflicted upon the Syrian people by usual suspects and the bravery of Assad himself who set the example for his country to follow.
You are right that the Democrats are now a full on corrupt war party.
If Trump would do his part to allow the Syrians to have their home and their peace, it would be a good mark on his record indeed.
You can recognize someone who cannot think on their own by noticing the terms they use. Communist, fascist, Hitler are great examples. Of course, don’t forget the good-old t-word.
Indeed. Fascists, especially those with power who know they can get away with talking trash, love to call those who they attack ‘fascist’ even those victims (N Korea for example) are the opposite of fascist.
Check out the IHR and David Irving for the truth about Hitler and the truth about who really started ww2.
Prepare yourself for lots of sleepless nights and literally moths of reading.Start off with Kent IHR,then go from there.
Senator Black tells it like it is. It is a shame that most Americans will never hear his words. The mainstream media serves up only lies and distractions. The public is sleepwalking towards Armageddon…
His district is DC defense contractor central, he must get exposed to a ton of information.
It would be unfortunate if Trump goes back on his tweet promise to remove US troops from Syria. However not all would be lost if Trump reverses his decision he has set in motion a number of irreversible actions. Three that I can think of.
1) The Kurds in Manjib immediately invited in Syrian troops to protect Kurdish towns in that area. The Syrians accepted that invitation. At this point it will take a bigger military ground force to remove them. I can’t see where that might come from.
2) Iraq has just gone in and bombed some ISIS positions in eastern Syria. These were ISIS positions that were under de facto US protection for the last 6 months. Iraq is also considering in sending in ground troops to remove those remaining ISIS forces. What is the US to do today? Go to war against the very government that we set up in 2005 in order to protect ISIS? Don’t think that will happen.
3) Turkey seems happy with recent developments. They are not attacking the Kurds in NE Syria as they threatened to do last month.
In short things are looking much better today in Syria than they were before Trump’s important tweet. Whatever he says to try to placate Lindsay Graham is irrelevant — Trump has set in motion a number of elements that, at this point, cannot be reversed by a counter-tweet.
Brilliant! Thank you for this clarity.
You put my thoughts into words. All you say is exactly what my many Syrian friends are telling me and approve of. They all want some reform but support their President and their army 100%.
Highly connected economist Martin Armstrong (who says he was asked to be White House chief economic adviser during George W Bush presidency) posted on his website a review of VICE – the movie about Dick Cheney. Armstrong implies with very little room for doubt that 9/11 is not what the official story says it is – by noting that the Pentagon department that was auditing the missing $trillions at the Pentagon was hit by whatever hit the Pentagon and that the Securities Exchange Commission that was investigating the big Wall Street banks and Enron etc where Armstrong personally had lots of files of information – was destroyed when WTC Building 7 collapsed on 9/11. See: https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/vice-the-dick-cheney-rumsfeld-conspiracy/
Article chronicling in detail the origins of the Syrian regime change war: https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/vice-the-dick-cheney-rumsfeld-conspiracy
Doubt Armstrong is as important as he thinks he is, but at the very least what he says about Bush’s stupidity, and the implausibility of thinking that it was he who was really pulling the strings, certainly rings true, and correlates well with what General Wesley Clark reported about the 7-countries-in-5-years plan that Brian James mentioned on another thread a few days ago.
Don’t know why Clark wouldn’t have seen it, as information on it was available as I tried to sift through some of the timeline awhile ago. Here’s what I learned (sorry, off the cuff, no references to cite.) The original plan which I believe went under the crusading name of “Securing the Realm” was dreamed up by many of the same sociopaths that authored or birthed the PNAC and their holy grail “Strategies for Rebuilding America’s Defenses.” Spawned in America, they tried to get Israeli leadership to adopt it, but it was probably just too out front for even them to officially embrace. Funny though, how it presaged subsequent events.
Secure the realm; obliterate thy neighbors.
Sorry, this is correct link for detailed timeline of how the Syrian regime change war was orchestrated (and the media propaganda to cover it up):
“Their failure to do so suggests duplicity by our foreign policy shadow government. The Pentagon seems unresponsive to the Commander-in-Chief, and he has surrounded himself with advisors whose allegiance does not lie with him–or with the American people.”
It’s taken the two or three generations that have passed since the end of World War II, but the truth of who actually “governs” (or more like “controls”) America is finally being revealed to all who will look at the evidence and acknowledge reality. Just like all those Eastern European countries held elections and voted in liberal democrats but somehow always woke up to a hard core communist regime, it’s been the fascists who’ve fooled our people, gamed the system and really been running the show in North America and in its far flung vassal states for the past 70+ years. One can only hope that just as the authoritarians destroyed their own nest on the other side of the iron curtain and some sort of “liberation” and improved quality of life was attained in 1989, the same thing will eventually happen on this side of the totalitarian spectrum.
The predisposing signs of a systemic failure leading to total collapse appear to be rotting Washington just as they did Moscow: mismanagement of an economy skewed to benefit an insider elite, military adventurism draining the society of essential resources including the squandering of young lives, a media that lies like a rug in the service of the elites, a death of idealism following directly in the tracks of ever-spreading pauperization of the populace, and polarisation of the citizenry with an inexorable antipathy for the national leadership will make this country ungovernable in its present form. Soon the money will be no good, making a living will be impossible, inability to pay your debts will make you a criminal, people will be starving in the streets and dying for lack of medical care, and the lying thieves responsible will be as conspicuous as a fat-ass Ukrainian oligarch. In fact, there is likely already a ninety percent probability that, if you have been paying attention, you’d be able to identify many, if not most, of the specific SOB’s who have transformed American society and its governance, and in so doing, ruined your life and the lives of your grown children and grandchildren. If I live long enough, I may smile when they receive their just desserts, which for once will not be in the form of an annual bonus.
“The predisposing signs of a systemic failure”
“a media that lies like a rug in the service of the elites”
Some are of the view that the elements facilitating systemic failure were present from inception, including media lying as to the existence of “We the people-ness” enhanced/sustained by “hold these truths to be self-evident”.
“the specific SOB’s who have transformed American society and its governance”
The framing of “specific SOB’s” infers sole/primary agency thereby denying “We the people-ness” whilst positing that “hold these truths to be self-evident” is a widely followed practice sufficient to obfuscate the sleight of hand.
This is also a useful tool in denial of complicity: a function of “We the people-ness” – this contradiction and its interactions being widespread throughout the temporary social relationships presently designated as the “United States of America”.
Another usage of “hold these truths to be self-evident” is the presumption with decreasing potency that the “United States of America and its representatives” act in “good faith” and mean what they say – they do “bad” things for “good” reasons.
The “United States of America” has been subject to systemic failure from inception which can be established through testing hypotheses – “In fact, there is likely already a ninety percent probability that, if you have been paying attention” – not through assertion in emulation of “hold these truths to be self-evident”, nor through efforts such as ” you’d be able to identify many, if not most, of the specific SOB’s who have transformed American society” since such framing obfuscates/precludes testing of hypotheses in terms of lateral system, not component parts of the system at a specific space/time.
Systemic failure is not synonymous with system transcendence, but systemic failure is a possible component not sufficient in itself to facilitate system transcendence – systemic failure is an opportunity
Many of the tactics pursued by present opponents who have vested interests in obfuscating/precluding system transcendence are informed by the above, as was the case in “foreign involvements” for example Vietnam from 1945 to 1975 and subsequent in attempts to delay lateral trajectories, perceived linearly (dominoes), from systemic failure to system transcendence.
However some are of the view that “tactics” and “strategies” of the “United States of America” from inception have been informed by the above rendering “tactics” hopes and “strategies” wishes.
“Washington just as they did Moscow”
From inception in many regards the “Soviet Union” was emulative of the “United States of America” including, but not being restricted to, creating a class based society posing as a non-class based society; a situation partially recognised in the “United States of America” by theories of convergence which informed/facilitated detente on the bases of spheres of influence from 1970 until the “United States of America” enhanced fiat modes of control to a sufficient degree to jettison in practice, but not in mythology – detente.
This likely trajectory was explained to the Politburo in 1969 but was rejected since most of the Politburo were immersed in notions of political geography, the rejection lasting until 1991.
In part in emulation of exceptionalist based practices, some conflate Washington with the “United States of America” and Moscow with the “Soviet Union/Russian Federation” partly to deny their complicity as outlined above.
However the conflation of Moscow with the “Soviet Union/Russian Federation” by the “United States of America” facilitated opportunities which were implemented as accelerants in the transcendence of the “Soviet Union” by the Russian Federation.
I would never deny that there has been a chain of causality reaching back to the very inception of this country as an independent state (and even before) that can account for so much of the evil we see on display. Read any grammar school history book to learn of the slavery, genocide, wars of aggression and acquisition, self-serving lies and shameless exploitation of fellow citizens with all these supposedly high falutin constitutional rights. I was merely framing the issue within the lifetime and personal experience of one extant elderly citizen, namely myself who was born immediately after WWII when the nation first realised its goal of becoming a world empire and, like so many other posters here, will soon be reaching the end of his allotted time as an observer on this planet. It would take a time traveler to personally experience and appreciate the full horror you have laid out.
Good reply Realist. Saved me some ink responding to your interlocuter. Tens of thousands of words would not be adequate to cover our mistakes since coming down from the trees long ago. There is virtue in being concise in analyzing our twisted webs of confusion.
“I was merely framing the issue within the lifetime and personal experience of one extant elderly citizen”.
“an observer on this planet.”
That framing predicated on notions of the “individual” is another systemic weakness facilitating systemic failure and opportunities derived therefrom, the impacts of which are delayed by rendering some observers with limited perception of their potential agency.
“It would take a time traveler to personally experience and appreciate the full horror you have laid out.”
Omniscience is never an option in any dynamic system despite mantra of “hold these truths to be self-evident”, but within these constraints experience and knowledge derived therefrom can be improved through collective interactions to derive and implement strategies to facilitate lateral system transcendence, this process being delayed by some restricting their “actions” to observations and/or comment.
Among the conditioned resources facilitating limited “time travel” are the records of ancestors including books.
“the full horror you have laid out.”
Perception is a function of experience and not all had/have the same experience.
Consequently some perceive “evil” and “horror” through the linear processes of immersion/integration described by Mr. Rove paraphrased in – “We are an Empire; we create our own reality to which others respond, whilst they respond we create another reality to which they respond – whilst others perceive “opportunity” in systemic failure, and in interaction with others were/are motivated to facilitate the process of deriving and implementing lateral strategies to
accelerate/encourage system transcendence.
“My comment” derived from collective experience/interaction described processes and opportunities to transcend the immersive/integrative processes described by Mr. Rove which in part facilitated/facilitate the “United States of America” , to share with others if so minded with the purpose to aid/inform/implement strategies to facilitate the transcendence of the “United States of America”.
To paraphrase Mr. Marx:
“Philosophers here to fore have merely described the world. However the purpose is to change it”.
Not all have this purpose by design and/or default.
Thank you for your data-stream.
I wish you all the best with getting that stick out of your a**.
Well, not _any_ grammar-school history book. Because they are complicit in the immense web of propaganda, much of it disguised as entertainment and a lot of it disguised as news (and education), the fascists have used to keep us under the illusions of democracy and a classless state – a process you describe eloquently and that has been referred to as the “Mighty Wurlitzer.”
However I favor the notion of sending them to bed _without_ dessert.
Well said. Here is the link to Jimmy Dore show today. It is worth watching.
NBC journalist William Orkin resigned because he could not take it any more. Jimmy Dore discusses Orkin’s letter of resignation on his show. I hope more media people come forward like Orkin and tell what is really going on.
I,m 66,Canadian and hope to see the day that the scum that ruined our countries get their due as well,but Ii doubt it,too many stupid people and being made stupider every day by believing what the media says is gospel
Just the point I was trying to make!
I find the realization millions of people’s very lives are dependent on a celebrity reality TV game show host whose function is to tell the big guns whose head to point at overwhelming on a good day…
I find the realization that millions of people’s very lives have been dependent on the career of one of the most crooked, corrupt, War Criminal (initials HC) political hacks ever seen in America (no easy task) overwhelming every day…
It’s unfortunate, not everyone can be a WWF Wrassling Hall of Famer…
Readers may enjoy this on the subject:
It’s a mistake too often made to believe that Donald Trump’s words actually mean anything, at least in the sense that real human beings sometimes mean what they say – but Trump’s utterances can *indicate* things.
In this case, Trump is getting pressure from Turkey to get out of the parts of Syria where the Kurds are active, and getting pressure from the Beltway establishment to stay. Trump’s seemingly contradictory statements are just a sort of diseased reportage of these contending forces.
My own guess is that the Turks will get their way and partial U.S. withdrawal will be accomplished fairly soon.
In contrast to Sen. Black, I suspect that the al-Tanf base is the *least* likely to be evacuated, since it is outside the Turkish area of concern but still scratches the Beltway’s itch for planting the U.S. military wherever possible and undermining Syrian sovereignty.
Righteous article, though. Thanks, Senator Black!
Trump ordered all Russiagate documents declassified and released to the public in September. He ordered all JFK assassination-related documents released in April. Neither has happened, or will ever happen. This probably reflects Hanlon’s Razor, not partisan “resistance.” Having working in government for six years (including the 27 days as an “essential” employee when all my co-workers headed off on vacation during the shutdown of 1995-96). But government jobs pay really well relative to most academic jobs, and are much more secure than those in industry (having worked in similar positions in all three).
The CIA gets more done (almost all of it bad) by circumventing government; they ask forgiveness (always given) rather than permission. They run our foreign policy (not State or the President); they have close ties with the think tanks funded by Saudis and Israelis, and can more realistically be seen as working for those two countries than the US. Syria will be handled as the CIA decides.
@ David G.: “I suspect that the al-Tanf base is the *least* likely to be evacuated, since it is outside the Turkish area of concern but still scratches the Beltway’s itch for planting the U.S. military wherever possible and undermining Syrian sovereignty. ”
The Al-Tanf base is positioned to block the only highway extending from Iran through Iraq into Syria, i.e., to block a vitally important land transportation route by which Iran could complete its purportedly desired “land bridge” to the Mediterranean Sea. As such, the Al-Tanf base serves Israeli interests in blocking the land transportation of weaponry from Iran to Syria and Lebanon’s Hezballah.
Yes Virginia, there is a “Deep State”.
Yet Mafia Don and his mindless followers believe he has the power to stop it…..as did the mindless followers of Obama prior.
It’s called the “Deep State” for a reason.
It is all encompassing.
It is bigger than the Military-Industrial complex.
It is larger than the Iron Triangle.
It is the majority of the largest corporations, the politicians, the judges, the military/security/intelligence agencies, the banks, the large investment firms, the think-tanks, the NGO’s, the churches, etc.
It is those that personally own the tens of trillions of dollars, and control even more capital, with the wealth and power to make or break the careers of ANY politician, CEO, Civil Servant, etc. whom refuse their demands.
It is those that can wreck the ecnomies of entire nations.
Even the wealthiest individuals are wholly reliant on the larger system to maintain their status and wealth.
Jean-Jacques Rousseau wrote that:
“Man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains. One man thinks himself the master of others, but remains more of a slave than they are.”
The “Sword of Damocles”.
The imminent and ever-present peril faced by those in positions of power.
Eveyone has someone(s) above them that are making sure they comply with the larger establishment system.
Friends of mine have taken to accusing me of being an “alt-righter” for using the term “Deep State.” Nobody but them uses the term anymore, they say. (I forgive them, because I don’t think they realize how polarized the USA has become – to the point, in fact, that dialogue between us has become impossible.) So I’ve taken to using the term “Permanent State” instead. But whatever you call it, it’s definitely there and you do a good job of describing it.
Trump’s actions were never “anti-war” as they have been portrayed by both the bootlicking Turbo Trump media including the Daily Caller, Gateway Pundit, even some left media. He merely planned to swiftly remove troops that he himself added as has been explained by Abby Martin of the Empire Files. Now he’s backtracking on THAT. He’s always been a bloodthirsty fascistic personality. Remember, he wanted to assassinate Assad, totally destroy North Korea, bomb the s—t out of ISIS, bring back torture, and he’s committing genocide in Yemen and aiding and abetting the Netanyhau Regime. He’s a neocon who puts out bizarre meme posters against Iran, and allows the Defence Department to Tweet nuclear threats. If you haven’t realized this by now, you’re part of his cult.
You are right. I can’t believe that people believe he wants to get out of Syria. He is playing a game, pretending to want to get out, and then lamenting that he is unable to do so because….
He is a permanent fraud. A dishonest bloodthirsty gangster with a severe mental disorder.
Just like Obama, only he didn’t have a mental disorder,just caved in to the DS
Thank you for your most realistic comment. I couldn’t agree more. Why people vacillate concerning Trump shows that they do not know much about Trump, the presidency, or how power works in America. Bombing the crap out of innocent civilians one day then kissing a baby the next day does not make that person a “nice” guy.
A perfect example of the polarization I mentioned just above. You think Trump knew about the “We’re Gonna Drop the Big One” tweet? You must be part of the Pentagon death cult…
The US is not simply “like” the Nazis. The US was a model for Hitler. Hitler had a picture of Henry Ford hanging in his office, embraced US eugenics and used KKK-Jim Crowe as a model for the SS.
Smedley Butler said it all: War is a Racket. The Presidents are just front men for the US mob.
The United States is First in War, But Trailing in Crucial Aspects of Modern Civilization
by Lawrence Wittner
And there’s always this aspect of our mighty military’s ‘activities’ abroad:
Wow! Senator Black earned a great deal of respect with that description of not only our amoral terroristic U.S. actions in Syria, but also in observing the reality that our foreign policy is actually a deep state affair that is completely undemocratic in nature since it is out of the hands of those who were elected by we citizens. With the military/CIA deep state actors running affairs the U.S. is no more a “democratic” nation than Saudi Arabia is. The military/CIA coup that killed Kennedy continues to reverberate through the decades and has left us an undemocratic militarized surveillance state, and a “rogue” state at that. It’s good to know Tulsi Gabbard has some company in Congress in providing opposition to continuing U.S. lawlessness in Syria.
Senator Black is not in Congress. He serves in the Virginia state legislature.
I guess that explains it.
The fact that Sen. Black can even be elected at the state level gives me hope. It means that more people than I previously realized know the truth, and therefore must also know that the MSM shills are lying to them daily. That he serves in Virginia is even more amazing given the proximity to “propaganda central”. Thanks for publishing this. The more stories like this one get spread around the better.
“MSM shills” in North Virginia may suffer for what was explained in Luke 4:24: “Truly I tell you,” he continued, “no prophet is accepted in his hometown.
Donald Trump’s December 19 Twitter ‘surprise’ announcement that “We’re leaving Syria … immediately!” was precisely done (thus far, very successfully) to divert world media attention from the December 20 United Nations meeting which revealed the varied horrific crimes of the White Helmets in Syria, an international scandal of tremendous, truly unavoidable proportion.
Some courageous U.S. journalist might ask Donald Trump for his honest assessment of the (Academy Award-winning) White Helmets.
Well, do you want to believe the Main Stream Media that Assad is the only reason for the war in Syria or believe former General Wesley Clark who in March 2007 on Democracy Now said that the overthrow of Syria by the United States was in a TOP SECRET paper (which he did not look at, but was told about) from the Pentagon calling on the overthrow of the governments of 7 Middle Eastern countries in 5 years.
And always remember that as Libya was being taken over during the administration of Nobel Peace Prize winner Barack Obama then Libyan leader Gadaffi (chose your spelling) claimed Libya was being invaded by Al Qaeda.
And within the past month Senator Marco Rubio on the PBS Newshour (go to about 24m 30s into the video) admits that some of those fighting the Government of Syria are coming from outside Syria, in other words, it’s an invasion.
Now, as one thing I was listening to on YouTube and it ended the next item which came up and the commentator claims Trump is pulliing troops out of Syria because Israel wants U.S. troops out so it can bomb without the threat of hitting U.S. forces.
I never heard the M.S.M. claim that and the M.S.M. is claiming that Israel is upset over the U.S. withdrawl of troops.
Personally, given what people such as Syrian Girl and Vanessa Bealy have said the U.S. troops are controlling areas of Syria which contains the oil in Syria. Somehow I don’t see the U.S. giving back to Syria something of value to Syria which the U.S. has stolen.
Personally if the U.S. was wanting to destroy I.S.I.S. I would say the U.S. would get out of the way and allow the Syrian Government, along with its allies of Russia and Iran to get rid of I.S.I.S. for us.
However, my feeling is that after President Carter okayed aid to the Mujahdeen in 1979 and President Reagan came into office, that the U.S. Policy was to create a group of militants that could be trained and armed and then sent around the world to subvert Governments the U.S. doesn’t like.
It began with the Mujahdeen attacking inside the Soviet Union (Steve Coll from “Ghost Wars”) to Islamic radicals going into Western China.
Around 1981 Morton Halperin in a small piece titled “Militarism and Freedom” put out by the Riverside Baptist Church in their “Blue Book Series” noting Halperin had recently received a document from the 1950s about the kinds of covert activities the CIA was to engage which included “the support of terrorism around the world.”
“However, my feeling is that after President Carter okayed aid to the Mujahdeen in 1979 and President Reagan came into office, that the U.S. Policy was to create a group of militants that could be trained and armed and then sent around the world to subvert Governments the U.S. doesn’t like.”
Been going on a lot longer than that……
Operation PBSUCCESS, 1954:
The U.S. involved overthrow of a democratically elected Guatemalan president, Jacobo Árbenz Guzman.
The CIA backed a minimal military force, fronted by Carlos Castillo Armas, with a psychological warfare campaign to portray military defeat as a foregone conclusion. During the coup itself, Edward Bernays (“Father of Spin” and political propagandist) was the primary supplier of information for the international newswires Associated Press, United Press International and the International News Service.
The U.S. was actively involved in the Russian Revolution (1917).
It’s been going on since even way before that.
The U.S. didn’t invent military intervention nor poltical subversion, which have been around since the dawn of civilization.
It has just become one of the major players/aggressors.
@ Hooper: “The U.S. was actively involved in the Russian Revolution (1917).”
Which brings us to one of my favorite facts I was not taught at any level of my formal education: the U.S. invasion of the Soviet Union in 1918: See e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Expeditionary_Force,_Siberia
“The U.S. was actively involved in the Russian Revolution (1917).” You should clarify: The US, France, and Britain intervened in the Russian Civil War to attempt to overthrow the Bolshevik government.
This is terrifying! I known the CIA, FBI, NSA are rogue agencies, but when the Pentgon goes rogue, we have lost one of the major bulworks of our democracy.
I see that Elizabeth Warren has agreed with T-rumps idea, but wants it to be negotiated. That should put her in the crosshairs of these roque agencies–so I’m donating to her right now.
Pentagon a “bulwark of democracy”?
Pardon my very rude laughter.
NO standing military anywhere is there to “uphold” democracy (whatever that might mean – the examples we have aren’t exactly inspiring: governance of the people by the people my arse, nowhere is this true). They exist to maintain the status quo which, in the western countries, means ensuring the continued existence of the corporate-capitalist-imperialist wealth grubbing rule.
“They exist to maintain the status quo …”
The _real_ oldest profession.
Smoke ’em city, dude. When you talk to somebody who has actually been there, on the ground, you get one story. When you listen to the MSM you get another one. The problem with the MSM is that it mostly isn’t reporting on anything; it’s merely parroting what it has been told by the Syrian Human Rights Watch (a CIA and MI6 organization, just like the white hats).
Trump does more backflips than a Olympic gymnast? This clown of a POTUS is so easily manipulated by the Deepstate to backtrack on his promises that all you have to do is wait 24 hrs for the enviable backtracking? This article written by Senator Black was short, brutal & succint in it’s condemnation of America’s grotesque, murderous & immoral Regime change behaviour in Syria? Here’s a warped US Nation that militarily supported in Syria, the Terrorist organisation who flew planes on 9/11, into the World Trade Centre killing 3000 Citizens! And with the passage of time the 9/11 attacks has all the hallmarks of a CIA false flag attack to provide America with a Invasion excuse in the Middle East? Especially when you have buildings collapsing that weren’t even hit by the Planes? Go figure? Is it any wonder that the US has so many enemies as it is a Terrorist recruitment Nation providing greviances atound the Globe due to its murdering on a industrial scale? And having withdrawn from all International agreements, the International Criminal Court it even doesn’t abides by UN rules or the Geneva Convention yet has the audacity to lecture others regarding human rights? The US Nation thinks it is above any Laws that govern decent human behaviour & because of that, they believe they can act without restraint in their Criminality? The entire US Govt & it’s corrupt MIC should be indicted and trialled for War Crimes against Humanity, like the Nazi’s, at The Hague, for the millions who have died by their blood soaked hands, especially in the Middle East?
The US is not simply “like” the Nazis. The US was a model for Hitler. Hitler had a picture of Henry Ford hanging in his office, embraced US eugenics and used KKK-Jim Crowe tactics as a model for the SS.
Smedley Butler said it all: War is a Racket. The Presidents are just front men for the US mob.
The United States is First in War, But Trailing in Crucial Aspects of Modern Civilization
by Lawrence Wittner
I think you’re quite right Antonio Costa. I recall, as a Psychology Minor during the 60’s, the college had scheduled construction of a new Science building and as a part of that construction money was made available for an Anechoic Chamber (A chamber with sound reducing cones on all walls and a suspension system for standing on) since we were studying sensory deprivation, I suspected that money came from the military. Certainly much good science can come from such study, but I always thought that the purposes were more nefarious…
@Bob Van Noy: I played student at Tulane many years ago, and have since found out that a chunk of the new science building that was built at that time was being used for CIA experiments. All I knew then is that it was rumored around campus that there wasn’t a single classroom in it…
Start here: http://www.tulanelink.com/mind/CIA_box.htm
if you’re interested, but even if you’re not, read Claudia Mullen’s testimony to the President’s Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experimentation:
The answer is “yes” on all counts.