An attack on protesting Palestinians on March 30 by the Israeli military left 18 dead and thousands injured and constitutes mass murder and a blatant war crime, argues Palestinian human rights attorney Diana Buttu in an interview with Dennis J. Bernstein.
Near Gaza’s border with Israel in 2018. (Fars News Agency via Wikimedia Commons)
By Dennis J Bernstein
The latest Israeli slaughter of Gazans falls into the category of shooting fish in a tank. Indeed, as tens of thousands of Gazans protested the longest occupation in modern history and demanded their historical Right to Return, last Friday, March 30, Israeli snipers raised their rifles repeatedly and, from behind a wide-buffer and an electrified fence, opened fire on the Palestinians.
The latest stats of killed and wounded from the so-called confrontation between Israeli sharp-shooters and Palestinians is at least 18 Palestinians killed and over 1,000 wounded. On the Israeli side, zero casualties. Zero!
Diana Buttu is a Palestinian/Canadian lawyer based in the Occupied West Bank of Palestine. She is a former Palestinian negotiator. I spoke with her in Haifa on April 2nd, 2018.
Dennis Bernstein: Maybe you could begin with your best information in terms of what happened.
Diana Buttu: I can give you the rough numbers. 18 Palestinians are confirmed dead. Others are in very critical condition and unable to get the medical attention they need. Over [1,000] Palestinians were wounded. They are unable to receive treatment both because of the ongoing blockade of the Gaza Strip and because of the lack of electricity. Palestinian human rights organizations are calling for the wounded to receive treatment elsewhere, but so far the Israeli government has refused.
Dennis Bernstein: What do we know about how this unfolded? I heard in an NPR report that this was not just a protest, that these were militants.
Diana Buttu: We know that the Israeli government announced days in advance that they were going to be positioning snipers along the border. Now, there are multiple sets of borders in effect here. There is an electrified fence on the eastern and northern sides of the Gaza Strip. A cement wall is on the southern border with Egypt. The water is blockaded by the Israeli navy on the western side.
In addition to those physical borders, the Israeli army has been enforcing what they call a buffer zone, which is about 1,000 feet away from the electrified fence. We know that when Palestinians approached the buffer zone on the eastern side, the Israelis immediately started shooting Palestinian protesters.
From video footage we can see that people were shot in the back. Others were shot for carrying tires or for simply walking into these areas. These were individuals who posed no threat whatsoever. Even if they were attempting to cross the border, you don’t use live fire to kill people who are crossing a border.
And secondly, the point of this was to highlight the fact that Palestinians cannot return. 80% of the Palestinian population of the Gaza Strip does not come from the Gaza Strip. They are actually refugees driven out by the Israelis. While Israel keeps claiming that there were attempts to “infiltrate,” in any case this is not a proper response.
The fact that Israel was positioning snipers on the border indicates that they were ready, willing and able to shoot protesters in the back. The head of the Israeli defense establishment has said that every one of these snipers should be commended.
Dennis Bernstein: How many Israeli soldiers were wounded and killed?
Diana Buttu: Zero. Again, this was not a question of the protesters posing any danger to any individual. It was the mere fact that Palestinians were out in protest.
I want to put this in its proper historical perspective. The reason they were out on March 30 is because this day, in 1976, the Israelis did the exact same thing to Palestinians who were citizens of Israel. At that time, Palestinians were protesting the confiscation of thousands of acres of Palestinian land by the Israeli government in order to make way for Jewish towns.
The Gaza Strip is a tightly cordoned-off area of only 140 square miles where some 1.8 million Palestinians are essentially trapped. (Photo from Wikipedia)
On that day in 1976 Israel shot and killed six unarmed Palestinian protesters. Here we are forty years later, with people commemorating the killings, Israel does the exact same thing, this time killing three times that number.
Dennis Bernstein: The Israelis have declared that there will be no investigation.
Diana Buttu: Yes, and this is nothing new. There has never been an investigation into the actions of the army. After the massacre at Jenin in March of 2002, when 52 Palestinians were killed by the Israeli army, the government would not allow an investigation and announced that everything had been justified.
I do not expect any justice coming from the Israeli military establishment. Trump has made it very clear in the Security Council that there will never be any investigation of these 18 Palestinian deaths.
Dennis Bernstein: And this happens at a time when people in the Gaza Strip are suffering on many levels. This protest took a lot of courage, given the fact that everyday life is a struggle. People often refer to the Gaza Strip as one of the largest open-air prisons in the world.
Diana Buttu: It has gone beyond that. The analogy was perhaps true in 2005 but now it has gotten worse than that. In prison at least you have electricity, you are still fed three times a day. Israel is making sure that the Palestinians only get electricity two or three hours a day. There is a waiting list of some 30,000 people who want to be able to leave, who have valid visas but are not allowed to leave. Imports are curtailed by the Israelis.
You and I do not measure the quality of our lives by the amount of goods that we have. We assess the quality of our lives by the things we are able to do and the time we are able to spend with friends and loved ones. In the Gaza Strip, people are completely unable to visit one another.
I myself have not been able to enter the Gaza Strip since 2007, which means that I have left behind all of my friends. And I am one of the lucky ones. My friends have been unable to leave or even think of leaving. Life for people in Gaza is completely miserable, with unfit drinking water, with an electricity infrastructure that is barely functioning, with a healthcare system that is on the verge of collapse, with malnutrition rates soaring, with unemployment rates through the roof. It is little wonder that the UN has said that Gaza will be unlivable by 2020.
Dennis Bernstein: How far away are you from these friends who you are not able to visit?
Diana Buttu: About fifty miles. The only chance I have of seeing my friends is if they, by some miracle, are able to get a visa and exit and we meet in a third country. The last time this happened was several years ago when we happened to meet in the United States.
Dennis Bernstein: So the idea of a two-state solution in this context is really a crazy thought. A paper like The New York Times loves maps, but I have never seen a map of independent Palestine. This is the nature of occupation, in the context, wouldn’t you say, of ethnic cleansing?
Diana Buttu: Absolutely. The ethnic cleansing of Palestine has been the one common thread since 1948. Politicians and diplomats have tried to mask it by calling for things like a two-state solution.
Part of the ethnic cleansing process is to get rid of Palestinians so that they don’t have to see them. The tragedy is that no one is labeling it that. Instead they try to hide behind some diplomatic initiative or other.
A Palestinian boy and Israeli soldier in front of the Israeli West Bank Barrier. August 17, 2004. (Photo by Justin McIntosh; Wikipedia)
Once we start looking at it as an ethnic cleansing process, we can move away from all these false attempts to come up with resolutions and put in place mechanisms to stop the process.
Dennis Bernstein: Where did the ammunition come from that was used to kill these 18 protesters and wounded some [1,000] more?
Diana Buttu: It’s a mix. Mostly it is US weaponry. The question is, why is the United States allowing its weaponry to be used on peaceful protesters? Don’t we have legislation in place to prevent such human rights abuses from happening? But Israel gets to take a pass when it comes to the use of US weaponry.
My big fear is that these attacks on Gaza are like a live arms show. We saw after the 2014 massacre in Gaza that arms sales actually went up in Israel. This is why it is important to push for a complete arms embargo.
Dennis Bernstein: My understanding is that many Palestinians have vowed to continue to protest and resist. Do you think there will be more live fire attacks?
Diana Buttu: There will definitely be more protests and Israel will definitely continue to kill Palestinians, because it can. Because so far all we have seen is a green light. We have seen European states express how deeply concerned they are, but this concern doesn’t do anything for Palestinians.
There are plans to protest from Land Day, March 30, through May 15, the day that the ethnic cleansing of Palestine is commemorated. It is also the day that the US moves its embassy in violation of international law.
So we will see six weeks of protest taking place. And I certainly expect that the Israeli military machine is going to continue to take Palestinian lives, because no one is stopping them.
Dennis Bernstein: Have any reporters been calling you from MSNBC or NPR to get your perspective?
Diana Buttu: For the most part, I think that the killing of Palestinians has become so commonplace that it is no longer news. It seems that Trump’s tweets are of more importance than 18 lives taken away so quickly, 18 families affected, and their friends and others.
The day before the march, a young artist wrote in the sand on the beaches in Gaza “# I will return” in Arabic. The next day he was one of those who lost their lives. The next day his friend wrote his name in the sand as a means of commemorating him. These are people with real lives, with dreams, with fears, with families. Instead we are reduced to numbers, not nearly as important as the 140 characters that your president tweets out.
Dennis J. Bernstein is a host of “Flashpoints” on the Pacifica radio network and the author of Special Ed: Voices from a Hidden Classroom. You can access the audio archives at www.flashpoints.net.
In the last hour, Gaza is under heavy shelling – east of al-Bureij camp in Jahr al-Deek – and Israeli occupation forces opened fire and critically injured a young Palestinian man in al-Khan al-Ahmar area, to the east of Jerusalem
Zealots and Zionists are murdering OUR people and destroying OUR planet
Firefox is misbehaving again, so I must now state my previous post was addressed to Tannenhouser.
Poor Berna. Because I’m a thoughtless goyim I keep forgetting about the tender feelings of thieves, murderers, and practitioners of apartheid. Expecting the poor fellow to follow his 263 word post with a single word of “Yes” or “No” was clearly unreasonable.
But in the interest of clarifying certain issues in my own mind, I’d welcome such a one-word reply from you to the same question I asked Berna.
Here is the salient point. The Palestinians have no arms. Shooting them is like shooting ducks in a barrel. The most horrendous thing that has been happening for the last fifty years. James Forrestal warned us about what was going to happen to themid east if we recognized what should never have been recognized. . No one listened.
Not a very balanced article so I’ll try to balance the comments. Hamas is complicit in these killings. This is not to justify Israel IDF over-reacting with the use of deadly force, but the Gaza border is a frontline in a war. Hamas, which routinely sends fighters across the border to kill Israelis, organized this demonstration. Hamas is dedicated to the violent removal of Israel and Jews from the entire area. Meanwhile Egypt also has a limited access border with Gaza because they too tired to the criminal exploits of Hamas. A terrorist attack from Gaza killed 31 Egyptian soldiers. The Gaza-Egyptian border tunnels: Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas approved with the operation, arguing that the smuggling tunnels under the border had produced 1,800 millionaires, and were used for smuggling weapons, drugs, cash and equipment for forging documents. On 8 January 2015, Egypt’s expansion resulted in the destruction of about 1,220 homes, while destroying more than 1,600 tunnels. Some tunnels discovered ranged over 1 kilometer long and contained lighting, ventilation and phone systems. In February 2015, in response to the buffer zone, ISIS beheaded 10 men they believed were spies for Mossad and the Egyptian Army. So, in effect, Hamas is a criminal organization run not unlike a Mafia gang. Yes, many Palestinians are caught in the middle, but until Hamas is gotten rid of, Gaza will be a hell hole run by heavily armed criminals funded by numerous agencies and states, some well meaning but naive, some simply using the Palestinian/Israeli conflict as a distraction from their own corruption and inhumanity (e.g., Iran).
Question:
Do you believe Israel has a right to a single square inch of land beyond the 1967 borders?
Obviously not a question “Berna” wants to answer. Recently I’ve seen a flood of “serious” and “thoughtful” Zionist trolls at this site. They post reams of bafflegab like this, but they run away like little girls from the central issues of theft, murder, and apartheid.
With respect. Maybe Berna doesn’t keep notes, or has better things to do than be derided and negatively labeled for a dissenting view. I fail to see how your lack of engagement beyond dumping echo chamber info and deriding dissenting views is any less ‘little girl running away’. Not to mention sexist. Maybe you might put your obvious intellect to work on some ways forward beyond the orgy of confirmation bias you seem to be addicted too?
For the record I believe Israel, USA and the KSA should be under extreme sanction until they decide to play well with others and join the world community in co operation and diplomacy to solve disagreements. I am interested in idea’s beyond what has been tried before. Documenting the volumes of transgressions of theses countries while useful has become nothing more than an echo chamber here. How do we push things forward is more important. How do we get the population at large to understand what we do? It certainly isn’t by deriding/Labeling dissenting views. Acting like the zoo regime will not bring about it’s defeat.
Zac. What topic of conversation would you like to have? :)
Hey me. No conversation needed. He’s right and that’s all there is to it.
The poster Tannenhouser appears to have missed seeing a post for him which got tossed to the bottom of the page. I’m now more curious than before, so I’ll repost it.
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Poor Berna. Because I’m a thoughtless goyim I keep forgetting about the tender feelings of thieves, murderers, and practitioners of apartheid. Expecting the poor fellow to follow his 263 word post with a single word of “Yes” or “No” was clearly unreasonable.
But in the interest of clarifying certain issues in my own mind, I’d welcome such a one-word reply from you to the same question I asked Berna.
Zac. Most people who are interested in this “1967 borders” have seen the illustrations of Israeli expansion from 1948 onward. In your question you emphasized in italics the word “right”. You are asking a moral question while disregarding the security concerns that are used to justify the said occupation. And looked at from a purely moral perspective the answer is no. But so long as Israel has the power to hold said territories, and the lawyers can continue to successfully justify the security concerns, nothing will be done.
Combine that with what Abe correctly stated is the “end game” in the middle east, reduces the odds of anything being done to address your concerns to pretty much zero. For someone who feels as passionate about this issue as you and others do, I can appreciate this is not the sort of appraisal you want to hear. I’d love to say to you that if we can only raise enough public awareness we can force them to relent. But How? Between the USA and Israel, they dominate all western countries and the politicians who run them. And if one of them does squeak out some condemnation, it’s just lip service with no real meat to it.
So, does this mean I am a Zionist conspirator and a troll? No. Nor am I trying to stop your efforts to raise public awareness if you honestly believe there is some hope. To your credit you are at least doing something, where too many people are just watching the parade go by and doing nothing.
bafflegab is exactly right, Zachary – and what Derek said below is exactly right, too – this is the frontline of an ethnic cleansing… by, as Zinny said well above, a eugenicist-inspired organization.
Hamas was created by the Zionists. How stupid does one have to be to expect the day was going to come when the Palestinians would just lie down and be doormats for the thieving zionists? Who, as has been pointed out, work relentlessly to get people to confuse ancient Judea and the history of peaceful Jews with this recent bogus invention calling itself Israel, which is almost entirely populated by descendants of much later converts, whose claim to the Palestinian’s land and homes is illegitimate; a garbage fiction that is used to attempt to excuse the theft and murder.
Zionism is the polar opposite of Judaism. Zionism: the Jews’ worst enemy. and humanity’s worst enemy (as I think mike said above).
Writing off the criminal gang Hamas as a Zionist creation is only a tool to place all the blame on Israel. As long as all the Israeli critics here are unwilling to assign any responsibility to the Palestinian leadership or to the Palestinian adult voting residents then there is no basis here for any conversation. You are in effect saying that every act of terror perpetuated by Hamas or pretty much any group against Israeli is Israelis creation and possibly planned out by Israel in order to justify further bloodshed. At some point people have to take responsibility. Palestinians are charging through a highly armed and dangerous border. I don’t think these were invented or directed by Israel. They were planned and directed by the Gazan Hamas leadership to elicit a violent response by the IDF and they got what they wanted.
In answer to Zachery, who and I considered childish and superficial with his macho barbs, I will say this. Creating and maintaining a national state in this world is very problematic and based on both military might and economic viability. And in order have a successful military and economy there has to be a majority loyal and committed citizenry, usually based on upon a common philosophy and culture. That is the history and blunt reality that we live in. Does Israel have the “right” to land beyond the 67 borders? Does Israel have the “right” to exist at all? These aren’t really relevant questions which be answered about Israel or any other state for that matter. States are created by armies and if you considered that their “rights” are earned by winning the fight, then they have the right. If you believe people have rights based on where they are at one particular point in time and expect that to never change, then your living in a fantasy.
This is not a frontline in a war…it is the frontline of an ethnic cleansing…these are the indigenous semetic people being forced into two concentration camps…what do you expect them to do when they are pushed into smaller camps by Israeli bullets? The conditions are worse than being in a U$ prison…
Ask the American Indians how their lives turned out, and you will see why the U$A has no problem supporting Israel in its “lawn mowing”
Barbaric…
regards
D
No doubt we’ll be seeing the same ‘frontline in a war’ coming to tv pictures and movies on the Mexican border soon – oh how jolly for everyone
Israel would still be where they were in 1967, without the carte-blanche coverage of the U$A…The U$A is absolutely guilty of all the atrocities in Palestine and elsewhere that the Zionists have meddled…
regards
D
Nancy Pelosi and an entourage of fellow democrats who were in Israel praising murderer Netanyahu at the time of the shootings, had nothing to say about the murders. They expect us to vote for democrats in this year’s elections — they who are no better than Trump and the republicans who couldn’t care less about the horrible sufferings and peaceful protests by Palestinians who have a right to return to their land.
Here is a headline from the Jonathan Cook site:
“With more Palestinians than Jews, Israel is waging a numerical war of attrition”
You see, murdering Palestinians isn’t the only way of handling the 2-legged beast problem.
https://www.jonathan-cook.net/2018-04-03/with-more-palestinians-than-jews-israel-waging-war-of-attrition/
Which is why they should call the Jerusalem bluff. Tacitly agree to one state solution with full rights as citizens of Israel, and with their demographic advantage make it Palestine. Israel will never allow this. The Zionist evil will be much further exposed and the Palestinians win a battle and are a little closer to where they want to be.
Clearly this was a premeditated crime of murder for which the perpetrators will be shielded not only from justice but from any accountability at all.
Remember Syria’s Assad was said to have crossed all lines of decent behaviour when his security forces were accused of reacting violently to peaceful protests, such that – according to the western narrative – an armed sectarian insurgency financed by regional rivals and aimed at regime change was an appropriate response. Such double standards have always informed the West’s foreign policy, but the blatant obvious hypocrisy has reached shocking levels in this new century, coincident with the “unipolar” moment.
“Historical Right of Return” – that rarely if ever happens – ask Amrican Indians, Australian aboriginals, ex-Eastern European Germans forced from their historical homes after WW II and thousands of other ethnicities in pasts without historical record.The Palestinians have the right to attempt passages of arms with the Israelis.To complain that the other side is defending itself is plain chutzpah.
Are you equating all dispossessions of land and all armed oppositions? Are you saying that Israelis may steal from Palestinians due to past wrongs long ago and far away? Your argument appears to be “might makes right” but perhaps you can be more explicit.
Israel’s snipers and drone operators and F-16 pilots and tank/artillery men of the World’s Morst Moral Army are DEFENDING themselves and their fellow citizen-thieves. This fellow looks like a zionist troll with a light touch from here.
Right because if it doesn’t ECHO back your idealogy/beliefs its Zionist right? Mike’s comment can be viewed as calling Israel’s constant claiming of right to defend itself Chutzpa. or BS
Another troll attack. I suggest that the moderator delete the posts of Tannenhouser as pointlessly hostile.
Deleting posts is a serious matter. I’ve left quite a few sites which did that to me.
In my notes I’ve had the Tannenhouser poster pegged as a “right-wing gun nut”. I’m now going to add some more thoughts to that appraisal. As for “Mike Eisenstadt”, he seems to have made only one other post at CN.
My take on the remark is that he doesn’t care what the Palestinians think – about anything. Israel is happy with the results of bribing Republicans, and is immune to what “other nations” think about it, so those other nations can go jump in the lake.
Zac. Deleting posts is INDEED a serious matter. And it is happening on the Consortiumnews regularly.They are trying to control the narrative. This points to fear and not feeling secure in their ideology. Not exactly what you would want to share a foxhole with, because when the heat gets too much they’ll cut and run to their safe space. This is a nasty business, and if they continue this practice watch it backfire right in their faces.
Tannenhouser. I thought you were supposed to be me! Or am I supposed to be you?
You are beating your head against the wall trying to change any of the “new age lovey dovey hopey changey” tenets that are thick on this site. I came here with the express intent to get a better understanding of how the liberal idealistic mind-set works. I have since learned a lot. And none of it good. My liberal idealistic friends don’t want to broach the subject, and if I say something they don’t like they either get angry, cut me off in mid-sentence, or both! There is no other explanation for this behavior apart from them feeling threatened.
The killer here is they are right and they know it! What they don’t seem to be able to understand is they are in the wrong place at the wrong time on the wrong planet for their (dare I say) “quasi-religion” to take hold to any degree that will change things for the better. In short, they have set the bar so high that it cannot be reached in real world terms. But God loves a dreamer. ;)
Anon. What are you? It’s acceptable for Zach to throw a dissenting opinion away with a with a simple Zionist troll label,
Yet when someone calls it out, we get requests for moderation? As to not reading properly….I missed that thanks and sorry mike k, speaking of comprehension when reading, go read sir mike k’s leadoff post. That post is genocidal, yet he gets defended when called out on other nonsense. Yes by all means lets have the mod have a look. At least Zach has the parts to recognize the fallacy you represent, so kudos to him.
Zach. I support gun rights. If that makes me right wing gun nut in your mind, all I have to say is go fish buddy.
As to mike e other post couldn’t it just b just to point out that Israel IS immune…… that much should be obvious to any disinterested observer.
Tannenhouser, Zach did not “throw a dissenting opinion away with a with a simple Zionist troll label,” He surmises that “Mike Eisenstadt” is a troll because his statement equates all dispossessions of land and all armed oppositions, which is obviously zionist propaganda. I gave M-E the opportunity to clarify and he did not, so Zach’s conclusion is reasonable. Unsupported propaganda is obviously not as valid as justifiable opposition.
If you wanted to make an argument for zionism, you would address the issue. But instead you attack anyone who disagrees, and try to conceal that by accusing them of doing that to you. Obviously you are wrong. Why not find some website of your intellectual level, where commenters might be deceived.
If Americans knew that the overwhelming degree of deadly violence in Israel and Israeli-occupied Palestinian territory is perpetrated by Jewish Israelis, the party in the conflict with nearly all the guns and bombs and rockets…
http://ifamericaknew.org/
… then Americans would overwhelmingly support the realistic “solution” to this massive criminality:
– Boycott, Disinvestment, and Sanctions (BDS) until Israel agrees to abide by international law.
Israel’s campaign of terror and annexation in Palestine must end.
The Israeli government, the pro-Israel Lobby and the Hasbara troll army online are devoted to preventing Americans from knowing the truth about Israel’s gross violations of international law.
Israel’s out of control government has “guns for Jews” gun control, while Israeli politicians have openly encouraged illegal Jewish “settlers” to shoot to kill.
Crazed Jewish “settlers” in occupied Palestinian territory have license to parade around in public with guns on their hips and high-powered semi-automatic rifles slung over their shoulders, waving weapons at any “terrorist” who dares to protest the illegal Israeli occupation.
rt.com is now live-streaming video of the Gaza protests, April 6, 9 am ET. You’re not going to see this on the US corporate media.
I’ve been trying to get this for 2 hours now – my provider must be blocking me damnit – thank you for sharing it – I will keep trying
Since I was born after World War II (in 1948), I hold no sense of responsibility for what happened to the Jewish Folks and the holocaust. …. But, the holocaust against the Arabs and Palestinians carried out by Israel and its supporters happened during my lifetime and on “My Watch” so to speak, and I am quite dismayed.
For my complete lifetime, Jewish Folks have been entering courtrooms across the universe seeking compensation and the return of properties, artwork, and other valuables which were seized during Hitlers Reign.
I think that the Palestinian people deserve the same “Right-Of-Return” and the same sense of justice that the Jewish Folks have insisted upon within every courthouse in the land.
Never once did I ever hear a Jewish Person claim that the holocaust was too long ago, or the facts had changed on the ground as they made their compensation claims …. But that is what the Jewish Folks are telling the Palestinian People today.
As I mentioned, I am 70 years of age now and in no condition to lead a protest of any type. But if I was young again, this is what I would be promoting in support of the Palestinian cause.
The Americans view their forests and parklands as “Sacred Ground” in the same way that Palestinian’s view their homeland.
The vast areas forests and Parklands are not only “Sacred” but a huge financial asset as well. Because of being so large in size, they are too large to protect against anybody with a book of matches.
If I were a Palestinian, I would quietly (not publically) approach the American negotiators and demand that Israel return to the Pre-1967 lines. And in no uncertain terms, tell the Americans that they have 12 months to complete the task presented. And, inform the negotiators that failure to do so will result in this threat being made public and the question asked “Is America ready to lose it’s “Sacred Lands” for Israeli warfare?
I have little doubt that Americans would feel just as defenseless as the Palestinians do today as the bullets and bombs fly indiscriminately.
The forests and parklands are just too large and vast to even attempt to protect against such a threat.
I would think that with each fire which was caused by lightening strike alone would cause huge paranoia and consternation within the American government and bring them to the negotiating table in the morning.
I appreciate your passion around this issue, but recourse to threat and violence is not a good way to help people change their minds. “He who is convinced against his will, is of the same mind still.”
WTF are you talking about? Nothing in Brians comment suggested “recourse to threat and violence is not a good way to help people change their minds.” NOTHING.
You did not read very carefully “….I would … tell the Americans that they have 12 months … that failure to do so will result in this threat … “Is America ready to lose it’s “Sacred Lands” …Americans would feel just as defenseless … as the bullets and bombs fly indiscriminately.”
Explain why you made another attack on Mike without bothering to check your facts?
I suggest that the moderator delete these posts of Tannenhouser.
One of the biggest sins of omission committed by our corporate owned MSM, is the not telling of the plight of the Palestinians. Here is where America’s humanitarianism is needed. Although we Americans have been conditioned to see the Arab as a suicide fanatic, not a word is spoken about the Israeli killing of these people who’s only crime is as deemed by the Israeli’s is their Palestinian dream of once again living on their land as peaceful civilians goes unanswered in a deadly way. To prove my point go ask an average American if they had ever heard of Rachel Corrie.
http://www.rachelcorrie.org
Here is more to read.
https://ahtribune.com/world/europe/uk/2197-miko-peled-jeremy-corbyn-israel.html
And a little more to read.
http://stephenlendman.org/2018/04/israel-vows-no-change-free-fire-policy/
The Palestinian is damned if they do and damned if they don’t. Here the author explains how a Palestinian boy who braves an advancing Israeli tank by throwing rocks at it, is seen in the West as only his being a young terrorist who wont yield to the so called democracy minded Israeli’s or die.
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/04/05/palestine-at-a-cross-roads-freedom-or-perpetual-imprisonment/
Joe. I know who Rachel Corrie is, and your call for more “humanitarianism”, while admirable from a moralistic perspective, is wishful thinking considering what you are up against. Since they (the powers that be) haven’t been listening so far, what makes you think they will listen now to calls from a higher level of humanism? This is a valid question. As a long-time reader and commentor, you have no doubt already read Kay’s analysis on the comments section to the article about “The lunatic loose in the West Wing”. If you agree (as I do) with her evaluation, this gives a real good idea of what you are up against. So, calls for more “humanitarianism” from this group is pretty much a dead horse right out of the starting gate. And if this is all we have to combat this clear and present danger, we are lambs for the slaughter. :)
A play on Rachel Corrie was suppose to be at the New York Theater Workshop in 2006. The New York Theater decided that because of its political content, the play was to be postponed indefinitely. I went to the Riverside Church in Manhattan and heard her parents read the many letters she sent home before she was murdered. The same church where Martin Luther King gave his famous speech on Vietnam. I think the play did open at another theater, but I don’t remember where or when, or how long it lasted. Of course the play was cancelled because of Jewish lobby groups.
Most American also never hear of the USS Liberty. Everybody knows about Anne Frank.
Glad you remember the USS Liberty since apparently I forgot. Being a ex-Navy guy my lapse of memory is unforgivable, so I really do appreciate your reference to it. Also your reference to Anne Frank makes one think. Joe
Yes, it’s senseless premeditated murder in Gaza and Yemen..and let’s not forget Afrin. there too it goes on, largely unreported.
Every now and then I go to some Israeli propaganda sites to see what they’re saying. One of them has this at the top of their column.
You see, up till now the murders have been half-hearted and sort of casual affairs. They’re going to get SERIOUS about it in the future if the Palestinians don’t start acting like servile two-legged beasts instead of wild ones.
Another site is operated by the son of a Famous Orthodox Jewish author, and he was gloating how one of the Palestinians was taken out by “an Israeli aerial vehicle”. In the real world this translates into the Palestinian being blown into such itty bitty pieces that his identity was impossible to determine. How can the Most Moral Army In The World top that? Maybe load some of the “Israeli aerial vehicles” with little canisters of napalm made from Pig Fat. If anybody doubts the Israeli Sniper Murderers are enjoying this, take a look at the link. I’m pretty sure American Fundamentalists will set aside their “principles” in this case. The Second Coming is too important to them to worry about such little things happening so far, far away.
https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/files/2009/03/15245789.jpg
Thanks Zach. These murderers need to be fully exposed. Too many Americans prefer to look the other way, ignoring the atrocity of Israel. I sometimes wish there was a way to grab them by their necks and rub their noses in what their precious “ally” is doing.
Gaza and the Warsaw Ghetto
same place
different times
while the world stands by
genocide
live
Yes.
I feel great shame in the knowledge that my country, Australia, is persistently “sucking up” to the U.S.; making Australia a “Target” with its ill-considered support of the U.S., with military bases, all around the Globe, and their frequent deposing of democratic Governments, accompanied with the installation of despotic, unelected, undemocratic “regimes”. However the warning bells should sound very loudly, whenever that Nation, calling itself Israel, has any involvement in World affairs. Israel is totally without legitimacy; it has usurped the lands and lives of the whole Nation of Palestinians, and even blind Harry and his dog can see the literal extermination of Palestinians, proceeding exactly as this Jewish Peoples have been advocating over this past century; plus this so called state of Israel is in breach of every United Nations resolution calling upon them to desist. And if you are one of those that trots out the propaganda subterfuge that this is God’s Will, then, I demand that you explain, and justify, all the evils that God’s “chosen” are perpetrating on the “Lives” of millions of God’s children, the Palestinian’s. Taken in isolation, the Jewish Peoples Israel, is but a tiny inconsequential speck of the World’s populations, they should not be a “guiding” or controlling force determining the fate of other Great Nations of peoples; The Jewish State of Israel was conceived and created through bribery (Winston Churchill’s biographer) and the illegal actions of their own terrorist organisations, using terror, murder and destructive force. The names have changed, but the terror processes are still there for all to see. The Jewish state of Israel will never be allowed to bury all this infamy, they will be known as pariahs for ever. Finally,in respect of China; it is the U.S. spending billions on armaments and destructive mayhem around the World; it is China spending/financing billions of development infrastructures, material, concrete and steel, functioning additions to the World’s economies, not randomly bombing and destroying the towns and cities of whole Nations. Which would you rather support?
Well said.
Would someone please tell me of a single good thing that has come out of Israel? All I know of their contribution is lies, torture, murder, regional wars……….. They have created a militarist racist state. Is that their contribution? They sure haven’t done a damn thing for peace.
The Invention of the Jewish People Shlomo Sand
“A historical tour de force, The Invention of the Jewish People offers a groundbreaking account of Jewish and Israeli history. Exploding the myth that there was a forced Jewish exile in the first century at the hands of the Romans, Israeli historian Shlomo Sand argues that most modern Jews descend from converts, whose native lands were scattered across the Middle East and Eastern Europe.”
I’m in a rush – noted – THANK YOU
E. Leete: Gideon Levy had a piece recently on someone I have followed since the story first came out. Ahed Tamini to serve 8 months in Israeli prison for slapping an Israeli soldier harassing her family. I watched that video and have to say that she is my hero. She is a wonderful girl, you can just tell that she is, and does not deserve any punishment. There are a great many extraordinary people living under these horrific circumstances. Damn it , this genocide needs to stop now. I hope your cancer treatments are going as well as they are hoped to go.
The web address is: The Jerusalem Fund.org
Nothing could be clearer than that every member of Congress with the possible exception of Sanders is financed by Jewish money and has no conscience. The “nakba” of the Palestinians, as we all know, began in 1948 and, like those who settled the North American continent and killed off as many as they could of the indigenous populations, so the USA has become the model for Israeli genocide. Those who read this might consider making a donation to the Jerusalem Fund (yes, it sounds counterintuitive), but it’s administered by the Palestine Center at 2425 Virginia Ave., NW, Washington, DC 20037. This small outpost also has a web address.
Thank you, Phillip for the name and address of where to send donations for the relief of the Palestinian people. PegPegWilon
Some of my very best friends have been Jews. It is Israel that I am disgusted with. If any other ethnic or religious group did what Israel is doing, I would be equally against them too.
Same here. An important point that needs to be kept constantly in mind.
Netanyahoo is the Jewish Hitler. What a disgusting irony!
It now seems like ages ago when I bought my first Win98 computer (for well over a thousand bucks!) and connected by modem to the Internet. In all that time I’ve watched sites come and go, and the losses of reams of fascinating information by the ones which failed. Two of those sites I deduced were run by American Jews, for both had a strict policy of limiting any bad things said about Israel. Both still exist, and one of them now has a page full of links damning racism, the idiot Trump, Facebook, the NRA, and the 1984/Police State situation of modern America. There is not a word about the misbehavior of Israel in Gaza or anywhere else. This site has no advertising, and no fundriasing drives, so the site owner is not hurting for money.
By contrast, another is dirt-poor. Here is a rough list of today’s posts:
1. “I need money for the site”
2. damned Trump
3. damned Trump
4. damned Sinclair Broadcasting
5. damned Trump
6. praise Martin Luther King
7. damned Trump, Bolton, and Pompeo
8. damned NRA
9. damned racism
10. damned racism
There are lots more, but that gives a “feel” of the place. The site permits “private” bloggers to start their own threads, but also allows them to be harassed. A person complaining about Israel murdering the Palestinians was immediately attacked by the resident Zionist troll named “MissMarple”. The troll opined that the killings may not have happened at all, and if they did, the dead Palestinians probably deserved what they got. Just guess what that site owner would do and say if somebody were to his belief the WW2 Jewish Holocaust didn’t happen at all, and if it did, the Jews got what they deserved. Yet he has allowed the Zionist troll to do “her” thing for over eleven years.
Hardly anybody cares about what happens to Palestinians, and those two site owners I’ve spoken of sure don’t! As we know, the US Congress is trying very hard to send Americans who DO care to prison if they reject the Israeli thefts and murders. You won’t find any sympathy for the Palestinians at PBS, or NPR, or the Neocon York Times, or the Bezos Post.
That’s why we must appreciate efforts like this essay, for who knows how much longer such “negativism” about the Outhouse nation of Israel will be permitted here in the “land of the free and home of the brave”.
Well said Zachary.
The Israelis are now trying to gut America’s 1st Amendment by prohibiting Americans from boycotting Israel’s evil policies. And many American legislators are going along with this treachery!
name for me the usamerican legislator who does not legally deserve to be arrested, tried, and hung at dawn as the traitors to this nation’s people that they are
Um, the dead ones?
Close enough, although there are rare exceptions like Ron Paul and maybe Tulsi Gabbard. Not sure what should be done with those few who go along to get elected and then find that they are powerless to depart from oligarchy control. If they speak out, they will not be re-elected, and if they then speak out, the zionist media will disappear them. But they should document the bribes on alternative media.
That the US is partners in these atrocities is horrifying and disgusting. And those responsible for this are smugly confident they can do whatever they want, because they have the US population completely brainwashed to perfection.
actually, at least one third of us are not brainwashed to the perfection you speak of. Thus, your comment fairly reeks of confusion. But don’t trust me,do some research.
Bill, I presume you are the troll who attacked Mike K earlier in the same words and had your post deleted.
I you intended only to limit his observation you would have said only that. It would be a trivial point.
Your post and your attitude are reprehensible, and very unwelcome here.
I suggest that the moderator delete your post as pointlessly hostile.
Go fish. “Your post and your attitude are reprehensible, and very unwelcome here.” = not pointlessly hostile right?
What are you?
Tannenhouser has failed to make any point in his posts and seeks to insult, sow despair, etc.
I’m surprised that only 4 have commented so far, and this has been up for hours. I think this slaughter is so horriffic that readers can’t think of anything to say. Like E. Leete, we just want to weep and rage against the awfulness of it, compounded by the fact that NO ONE (except Bernie Sanders rather mildly) from both houses of Congress has spoken out about this! (NO ONE!!!) and of course Trump and company have also been totally silent, and now I’m hearing that other European countries are also not speaking out. Good god, what is this planet coming to that such horrors are committed and everyone is silent! There is a terrible darkness descending on this planet. Evil is winning and truth and morality are (not so) slowly being smothered.
I am crying my eyes out as I read this and write. I am completely exhausted from very little sleep. Thank you to Diana Buttu! I have just now stopped by here at CN to catch up because for the last solid week all my waking hours I have been keeping vigil for Palestinian friends I have never met. I have been inundated with friends requests from Palestine on my facebook page – they are desperate for the world to hear what is happening to them and they are reaching out to anyone who speaks in sympathy with Palestine – and that’s me for certain. I have been seeing every photo of the horrible wounds and murders, I have been listening to the screams of pain and I have been doing my best to personally buoy the spirits of so many who are in the depths of despair losing loved ones and thinking the world does not see them or care about them. I am deeply thankful to the new editor that this is the first article to appear after he took the job. I new before the March of Return began that there was going to be a bloodbath – and I told you all that I had read at middle east monitor that IDF had orders to open sniper fire on these people who have suffered this nightmare for 7 decades. There are people on fb using many languages I do not know, doing our utmost to let especially those in Gaza know there are people out here in the world who do care, who are in solidarity with them. We are fighting a HUGE Hasbara army of trolls. You good people here would not believe the murderous hatred these Zionists spew! They are by far the most appalling and vicious attackers I have ever heard – and this is NOT my first rodeo. Surely there are no braver people on this planet than the Palestinians to have survived these brutal Zionists 7 decades of ethnic cleansing. And with my tax dollars!! By God I will never carry the guilt of the guilty for them but I am awash in the shame of the usa’s enabling and complicity in all this horrific murder and suffering. People are sending me photos of empty refrigerators and destroyed homes and relatives waiting to get medicine and of their children – oh the beautiful precious faces of their children! It is far beyond me to understand how the Zionist soldiers can grab up 3 YEAR OLDS trying to arrest them – I have seen the videos! – and so many other children and blindfold them and point guns at their heads and POSE FOR PHOTOS like that! This is all crushing my soul – just think what they are going through! And a few have swallowed their pride and asked can this American help them, send them a bit so they can get food for the kids – and I am having to say no because I am paying hospital bills for my cancer treatments and there’s nothing extra to send them! It is agony to say no – and when they hear why they say “I am so sorry to hear that” and they wish THEY could help ME! THESE are the people who the Zionists are doing their utmost to demonize to the world! Oh my God it is all so tragic, so excruciatingly heartbreaking – no words exist to truly describe what the Palestinians are being put through – I feel I am asleep and having a nightmare – and they feel WORSE – oh won’t SOMEBODY in this God-forsaken USA please please please wake us all up from this hell on earth! Just now my friends are telling me that the soldiers are now firing right into the camps! where the women and children are reading books! And just when I think I cannot bear even one more child killed, there is this extreme carnage the usa is helping the house of Saud commit in Yemen, as if to put the world on notice that nothing but nothing can stop the psychopaths united USA Israel and Saudi Arabia! : http://geopoliticsalert.com/saudi-coalition-bombs-yemen-refugee-camp How horrific do we allow our leaders to be? Piles of charred BABIES in refugee camps! oh where is somebody to hold my head while I go mad????
and now I have just read that Israel is preparing to enter Gaza and clear the whole area where the camps are claiming Hamas is preparing to make war – drones are flying very low – and what would stop the Zionists since they have got by with outright massacre before?
This US of A is rotting from the empowerment of Israel. We, under normal thinking, should send troops into Israel and Saudi and annihilate all who are partaking in this genocide. I don’t say that lightly; I do not wish for war on anyone. Goddamn it, this should stop now. Peace to you and yours, E. Leete, and I, for one, will pray for you.
So very kind of you, geeyp – Thank you so much for that passion for justice, and for your prayers. It is so infuriating to be stuck in a country that is the polar opposite of what it claims to be while so few – like the commenters here – see the truth about this dead experiment that could have been a democratic republic if the dream of freedom from tyranny had not been strangled in its crib. Equality dead from neglect of justice, now we are in bed with and funding every ruthless bunch of killers in existence. I am in awe of the Palestinians bravery and ability to survive – such courage! Their land and homes and water and schools and hospitals and economy stolen and then they have to listen while the world calls the Zionists the victim. The modern world is tear-your-hair out stupid! I take it you were brave enough to go look at the pics of the piles of fried babies in Yemen – that may be deemed crude language but there is no more honest way to put it. It’s reality. what a world. and all of this madness so a few can play king of the castle and you’re the dirty rascal, all so a fraction few families can be rich and powerful – so powerful they can make human history be whatever they say it will be. Why does humanity want to play this game of all-grab-for-all, grab-off-and-grab-back? Why don’t we see we have climbed the ladder of “success” and found all evils? Why do I feel like the only one who wants to lay the ladder flat and have a picnic? We all know damn well that is the wealthpower giants’ goal to have moremoremore evermore – these Zionists take it to zenith extreme with their goal to sit astride this globe in supreme control of everyone’s everything leaving no escape for anybody – the thinking goes beyond psychopathic – psychology hasn’t even dreamed up the right questions to ask about this mindset. As for now, as long as my Friends in Gaza fight on I’ll be with them. This morning I have been cordially inviting the Zionist murderers to shove the USS Liberty right up their noses. Cold comfort that they have no response to that so they leave off plying the place with their endless lies and attacks on my friends. My best regards to all of you here – and to Diana Buttu: I saw your interview on msnbc and it is up on my fb page so more public can see it – thanks again!
There can never be a statute of limitation on murder. Just ask the Nazi Hunters. … Brothers and sisters let us not embrace the very thing we that we find most loathsome, Peace on Earth. No more Regime Change.
mike k. If anyone here is confused it’s you. All your new age lovey dovey hopey changey comments on this page and you cant come to grips with what the Prof said? There’s no confusion as too who is confused here.
Our resident troll is heard from.
The comment of “professor” is amusingly confused by bad punctuation: he said “let us not embrace the very thing we that we find most loathsome[COMMA] Peace on Earth” (seeming to identify peace as the loathsome thing) when he meant “let us not embrace the very thing we that we find most loathsome[PERIOD] Peace on Earth.” Darn keyboards!
Mike K has been very principled, not at all “hopey changey,” and needs no personal criticism.
Yes Professor there needs to be regime change, and that doesn’t mean it has to be violent. The US certainly could do with regime change, since we are no longer a functioning democracy. Chris Hedges refers to us as an inverted totalitarian state and many others say we’re an oligarchy. I would love to see regime change in my own country, and most definitely in Israel as well. Peace on Earth will come only when people recognize and don’t except the wholesale slaughter of the “other.”
It’s completely ironic that Israel uses cries of antisemitism to squelch people and countries from attacking her genocidal agenda against the Palestinian people, an outgrowth of Nazi Germany’s genocidal attack on the Jewish people of Europe. Israel’s hypocrisy is nauseating, and a country who should have never come into being in the first place.
“…footage from Israeli Jewish wedding shows guests celebrating the death of a Palestinian baby burned alive in an arson attack: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3373035/Shocking-footage-Jewish-wedding-shows-guests-celebrating-death-Palestinian-baby-burned-alive-arson-attack.html
“The footage shows guests at a Jewish wedding in Jerusalem… They start celebrating and mocking the death of 18-month-old Ali Dawabsheh. One guest danced while a holding a knife through a picture of the young boy… The toddler and his parents died after an arson attack on their home”
I watched it Anna, and it was appalling. On a personal note I knew a Jewish woman who was a therapist, and one day at lunch she blurts out “They should kill all Muslims, everyone of them.” I asked if that included babies and children, and her reply was yes, “Kill them all.” I guess if she attended this wedding party she would have been one of the celebrants. I never spoke to her after that. I could tell you other such stories made by Jews and non-Jews who made such statements, and live here in NY. Psychologically speaking the abuser often perceives, or portrays himself, or herself, as victim, which is true in abusive homes as well. Everyone should read that article.
Israel is a fascist, terrorist state, which should be abolished. The sooner the better. They are the enemies of peace and justice. Their country is one that any decent person should leave immediately. Those who remain are complicit in this genocide of Palestinian People, who they are exterminating. The vicious evil Israelis represent needs to be eliminated from the Earth.
Succinctly and accurately put. There is some evidence that this latest massacre is starting to wake up more people. An excellent article documenting this is
“Israel just lost American Jews”
http://mondoweiss.net/2018/04/israel-just-american/
As to the question “why is the United States allowing its weaponry to be used on peaceful protesters?” The bottom line answer is money. The influence of the Rothschild bank is documented at http://warprofiteerstory.blogspot.com
The zionists cannot admit that they are essentially fascist in reaction to fascism, just as the bully produces more bullies by example and defensive response. All groups have their tyrants, creating threats to the group so as to demand power as false protectors, and to accuse their moral superiors of disloyalty. If Israel had been founded in an isolated area without land theft, or if it had made peace instead of warmongering, its zionist tyrants would be gone, and they know it.
No other nationality has found ways to feed foreign aid from the US back to bribe politicians for more foreign aid and all kinds of favors. The decisive factors are zionist control of mass media and elections, zionist control of protestant fundamentalism, and increasing zionist control of secret agencies and fake news sources.
The idea that a group deserves special privileges because some of their ancestors were persecuted, although there are no surviving victims of WWII among the Jews, and no special privilege is accorded to other classes of victims, is zionist propaganda. Like all tyrant classes, zionist opportunists seek money and power from their kind, and could not be more hypocritical, as for them money=power=virtue and no one has rights but themselves.
Their fake “anti-semitism” attacks are pure nonsense. Semites includes both Arabs and Jews; I have never met an anti-Jewish person; no other group demands a unique word to describe their opponents, and claims the right to define it. No one has a right to an empire anywhere, least of all in the Mideast, where everyone’s ancestors had an empire in the million years of human migration from SE Africa.
Zionist propaganda is trash. They have destroyed democracy in the US. Israel should be abolished.
Zionism was one of many radical eugenicist inspired organizations, that formed during the late 19th century, and which espoused vogue racial superiority through ethnic hereditary purity. To do it effectively, they believed, the levers of a nation state would be needed. Nazism was one example of this ideological movement having operated, fully, at the state level. The parallels between the two are not merely a coincidence, but, characteristically convergent.
Thank you for this important post, Zinny! If it’s not too much to ask, could you give your suggestion for the single (or couple) best ‘further reading’ sources that we could pass along to help expose more and more people to this neglected/forgotten truth?
Damn if I didn’t just read that according to Middle East Monitor, Israel has killed a Palestinian child every 3 days for the last 18 years. How many scientists (along with the discoveries they might have made), how many teachers, doctors, nurses, artists, musicians, etc etc etc has the Zionist Israeli army deprived the world of in their unhinged quest to own and control earth?
Mike. Sadly, there is not a single person commenting on this site that can point out so much as even the smallest victory in the war against the ruling elite. Meanwhile your fellow citizens are mired in what can best be described as pissed off apathy. You are all toast unless you can get your act together and stop floundering around in the political circus owned by the status quo.
WC. In a small town on the Washington state and BC border. 20min BC side. Below the floor in the room facing the railroad tracks is a ‘Pinkerton nest’. That’s a victory I am aware of. Another would be Ludlow Colorado, The new deal, Mass worker unionization, Glass Segal. It’s not hopeless. I agree entirely with your post beyond that except ‘you are all toast’…..’ should be ‘we are all toast….’. No? Check out what happened to the Ludlow monument. Ritualized vandalism shortly before ‘right to work’ became en vogue. Status quo indeed.
Hi Tannenhouser :) I’ve been wanting to have a conversation with you, particularly given the heat you took for being me when I left. Can you believe this stuff!!??
Regrettably, “The new deal, Mass worker unionization”, etc. are all fading memories. Hopeless? Not entirely. And I stand the correction to “we are toast”. :)
As I have been having a surge of post deletions (no doubt the fault of the Spamometer now installed in CN Central) I’ll simply cut and paste what I posted to you earlier. If it is not deleted, there we have a topic of conversation the Consortiumnews should not be afraid of hosting.
Tannenhouser. I thought you were supposed to be me! Or am I supposed to be you?
You are beating your head against the wall trying to change any of the “new age lovey dovey hopey changey” tenets that are thick on this site. I came here with the express intent to get a better understanding of how the liberal idealistic mind-set works. I have since learned a lot. And none of it good. My liberal idealistic friends don’t want to broach the subject, and if I say something they don’t like they either get angry, cut me off in mid-sentence, or both! There is no other explanation for this behavior apart from them feeling threatened.
The killer here is they are right and they know it! What they don’t seem to be able to understand is they are in the wrong place at the wrong time on the wrong planet for their (dare I say) “quasi-religion” to take hold to any degree that will change things for the better. In short, they have set the bar so high that it cannot be reached in real world terms. But God loves a dreamer. ;)
I hope no one see’s/hears me talking to myself. There is a Bill here that is now me as well. So many shoes, the pressure is asphyxiating. I have no desire to change anyone. None but ourselves……The people here mostly want others to effect the change for them it seems. I only say this as any attempt at conversation past the prevailing winds is derided as troll or hasbara etc etc. Yes the liberal (which until recently I would have identified as) agenda has been co-opted in favor of warmongering, shallow identity politics and divisive mean nothing issues. The observation that they are right and know it is bang on.
What say you? Do you have any ideas about what we might do to combat the ruling elite and their nefarious actors? Besides of course data dumping different spins on what we already know/believe or admonishing and deriding others who wish to push the conversation forward past the senseless and hateful status quo or feeding echo chambers of confirmation bias?
That was refreshing, I should talk to myself more often. Maybe I’ll log in as bill and have a ménage:)
Of course under moderation, geeesh…..
Hasbara trolls “WC” and “Tannenhouser” pop up out of their holes for a li’l propaganda “conversation” about their preferred topics:
– “ruling elite” (anything to change the subject from IDF murder of unarmed Palestinian protesters), and
– “hate” (because really, what’s not to love about Israelis murdering Palestinians).
Hysterical comrade “Tannenhouser” even went so far as to label a call for abolition of the Israeli Apartheid regime “genocidal”.
(South Africa’s harsh, institutionalized system of segregation came to an end in the early 1990s, while the dead-ender Israeli Apartheid regime hangs on with ever greater belligerence, itching to further implement its usual “solutions” of ethnic cleansing and genocidal violence.)
We’ve all seen how the Hasbara trolls parade scripted propaganda narratives as “dissenting views” whenever the Israeli government or the pro-Israel Lobby are mentioned in articles on CN and other sites.
Hasbara propaganda trolls “WC” and “Tannehouser” are back with more hilarity, joined by “doesn’t keep notes” comrade “Berna” below.
Abe. You are all over the map. One day you are correctly pointing out the “end game” in the middle east, and the next you are complaining about “ethnic cleansing and genocidal violence”. If, as you say, the plan for the middle east is – “The Israeli-Saudi-U.S. Axis project’s geo-strategic objectives obviously include control over Eurasian energy resources and transit corridors, and an increasingly desperate effort to preserve petro-dollar hegemony”. Am I to infer all of this will be accomplished peacefully, and that Iran, Russia and all of their proxies will just fade away?? Of course not. Which means the “ethnic cleansing and genocidal violence” will likely continue – and not just for the Palestinians!
If you still haven’t figured out what we are dealing with go back and re-read Kay’s take on the “sociopaths, psychopaths and narcissists” in the comments section of the CN story on a Lunatic loose in the West Wing.
“Tannenhouser” is a troll sent here to attack by any means he can think of.
Today it is “give up all hope.” Back to your oligarchy cage, Tannenhouser.
Another Zio shep hard at work. No body here offers any way forward that I have seen, just hate. (warranted/justified or not is not for me to say) That’s all that’s here in the comments to Israel’s latest transgression of humanity though. Right from sir mike k’s first post just hate and a piling of the hatewagon. When some one points out ‘victories’ against almost complete control by ruling elite you deride them as a troll sent to attack by any means. This time using my doomsday ‘give up all hope’ weapon. Sounds Skirpal,too me, do you work for Boris or May? Oligarchy cage indeed. What are you?
Tannenhouser, you have failed to identify any hate here, but rather people identifying the zionist enemy of the US.
You have failed to suggest any way forward, merely attacking all who identify the problem.
You mentioned nothing at all as a “victory” just an attempt to ridicule the lack of it.
You are very welcome to suggest a way forward as so many others have.
You are not welcome to attack anti-zionism as “just hate and a piling of the hatewagon.”
Not a single comment has suggested hate or racism. I think you are a zionist troll.
Anon the original post by mike k would be considered hateful by most people in the dark about the transgressions against humanity committed almost daily by the zio regime in Israel. The fact that it resonates to you as ‘pointing out the Zionist enemy’ is irrelevant in light of this fact.
I have identified a way forward. I have labeled it calling the Jerusalem bluff. To suggest I have attacked all who identify the problem is a serious stretch, do you work for Boris and May?
I mentioned five victories that I see, how many have you mentioned? To suggest what I wrote is intended to ridicule ‘lack of victory’ just shows ignorance.
Again I have mentioned ways forward, on more than one occasion only to find myself in this type of assanine argument with various members of team Abe L.
I’m not attacking anti Zionism, I have supported it for years. I was boycotting long before the movement to do so.
My hatewagon comment was just to illustrate what has happened to this thread and others. Identification of the zio enemy has long become moot on this board. It’s now just an echo chamber of confirmation bias.
Any mention of race is on you as it’s not an issue in any sense for me. Calling for the eradication of peoples ideas in total anger is hateful by any measure. To suggest not a single comment has suggested hate is head in the sand kind of ignorance.
I know you are a zio shephard
But of course many here have pointed out means of making progress, many are involved, not very many are as hopeless as you state, and you would make suggestions if you were not here to discourage people. Are you so bullied yourself that you wish others to share a life of capitulation? Were you sent to sow despair, or did you decide that yourself?
If change for the better is attainable, it will come from the critical thought of those who realize the necessity, not from masochists who torture themselves, and others, for not seeing it happen before their very eyes.
Change for the better is attainable first and foremost by being critical of what is change for the worse.
P.S.
Read De Sade for a better understanding of sadism and masochism.
@mike k…
“Israel is a fascist, terrorist state, which should be abolished. The sooner the better. They are the enemies of peace and justice.”
Here’s the reason why Israel is getting away with murder, literary:
“US is a fascist, terrorist state, which should be abolished. The sooner the better. They are the enemies of peace and justice.”
I have sometimes wondered how the Western Dark State’s and their leaders, rationalized supporting former Nazi’s to Mossad and their Israeli leaders. Right or wrong, the only explanation that I could come up with is that money in certain circles, it has no prejudice.
But we see over and over, that prejudice is such a fantastic weapon whenever it is unleashed by a “Bad Samaritan.”
And, I have come to believe that Zionism serves a few purposes for the Investor State. And just one of those purposes is that it provokes and maintains anti-Semitism.
And it’s coming from the right and the left politicians. i.e.: They are basically promoting settlements that their own governments condemn as illegal.
If we look into the parties of the Palestinian Authority (I believe that after Oslo, they had to agree to change their name from PLO) we will find that they lean socialist, if not even communist. And these parties do not generally carry the rate of closed loop caloric intake that the Investor State demands.
Wedge and divide, as you sell dominant behavior Investor State globalization. .. Even here, the Investor and his asset monopolies are very skilled at fostering prejudice with us to have against our own gov’t. Uncle Sam is the heartless one who takes the blame when our requests happen to conflict (..be it health care or Israel, etc.) with the dominant Investor State.