WATCH: CN LIVE! The Latest on Assange; Plus America and Guns: Episode 5

The fifth episode of CN Live! discussed the latest on Julian Assange and the problem of guns in America. 

John Pilger saw Assange at Belmarsh prison on Tuesday and reports a troubling deterioration in his health. We discussed Assange and governments’ treatment of him and how the people are manipulated with Australian psychologist Lissa Johnson. Plus Mark Davis, a prominent Australian television journalist, revealed new details about WikiLeaks‘ relationship with The Guardian and The New York Times during publication of the Afghan War Logs.

And then, in the wake of the massacres last weekend in Dayton, Ohio and El Paso, Texas, we got two perspectives on the crisis that has gripped the U.S. for too long: mass murder. 

First we were joined from Sydney, Australia by Rebecca Peters, who helped negotiate Australia’s gun laws enacted after a 1996 mass murder that has made a dramatic difference; and James Howard Kunstler went deep into what’s unwell about American culture that contributes to the ongoing, senseless massacres.

All on today’s episode of CN Live! with your hosts Elizabeth Vos and Joe Lauria.  

Watch the replay here!

 

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37 comments for “WATCH: CN LIVE! The Latest on Assange; Plus America and Guns: Episode 5

  1. wendy davis
    August 13, 2019 at 18:13

    @ DW Bartoo:

    please seem my recent compilation: ‘updates on the attempts to further crush and defend julian assange’ for further sources and news.

    https://cafe-babylon.net/2019/08/13/updates-on-the-attempts-to-further-crush-and-defend-julian-assange/

    great comment, though. i’ve never lived in a democracy, have you?

    • DW Bartoo
      August 13, 2019 at 19:12

      Truly wonderful, wendy davis, to see you commenting here, once again.

      I have missed your wisdom and compassion far more than words may convey.

      Your link is much appreciated and contained information I was quite unaware of.

      No, I have never lived in a democracy and worry that far too many U$ians have no interest in what democracy actually is, what it requires of us, and what its lack portends for all of life on this planet.

      I hope that you and your loved ones are well and thriving for, clearly, you are as full of fire and passionate compassion as ever.

      DW

  2. lcotler
    August 12, 2019 at 22:09

    We are grateful for the timely information, but Lauria is not good at on-screen reporting. He doesn’t speak well and his text is repetitive. It’s tiring.
    His first guest, Lissa Johnson, was repetitive of what had been said before. It’s a tune-out.
    While I appreciate internet news by indie sources, it’s important to learn the craft of on-screen reporting.
    Eight minutes in and little has been said.
    ConsortiumNews is better than this.
    Sorry, but this needs to be said.
    Goodbye…and good luck.

  3. Deniz
    August 12, 2019 at 12:23

    CN needs to get Whitney Webb from Mintpress to discuss Epstein: https://www.mintpressnews.com/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy-story-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/261172/

    This three-part investigation is very good.

  4. August 11, 2019 at 09:05

    Amid the supply of S-400 to Turkey, a huge number of publications appear on the risks and threats that the Russian systems. S-400 in Turkey: what the US and NATO fear

    S-400 in Turkey: what the US and NATO fear

  5. August 11, 2019 at 02:52

    For the first time a hypersonic missile system “Dagger” was shown in public as part of the MiG-31K fighter. Russian hypersound: Dagger “first shown to the public

    Russian hypersound: Dagger “first shown to the public

  6. Marko
    August 10, 2019 at 23:01

    Me on Aug 1 , here :

    “Epstein could expose massive criminality among the elites and agencies of both parties , which is why he’ll never get the chance. Either he dies before trial , or his death is faked and he’s spirited away to live a life of luxury in Israel , or the trial process itself is a total clusterfreak , allowing him to skate on a technicality without ever revealing anything of substance.”

    https://consortiumnews.com/2019/07/31/ray-mcgovern-dni-nominee-intent-on-getting-to-bottom-of-russiagate/

    Me and millions of other “Conspiracy Theorists” thought as much. We’d all fade into the background , to the delight of The Establishment , if only we would stop being right so often. Whose fault is that ?

  7. Marko
    August 10, 2019 at 21:06

    I want to know who let the Russians get to Epstein.

    • Annie McStravick
      August 11, 2019 at 06:31

      It is clear that this thread has been made available for those who wish to comment on the contents of CN Live! Episode 5.

    • DW Bartoo
      August 11, 2019 at 11:17

      It is “highly likely”, Marko, that “we” will never know.

      Yeah, being “right” about virtually everything for the past fifty years ought to be “worth” something.

      Once Aaaange “suicides”, or gets locked up for life, well then, “things” can get back to “normal” and the next “Commander in Chief” can get on with perpetual war-making and the financial elite with making killings of various kinds.

      However, most certainly, Russia (and China … and Iran and, well, all the “bad guys” of each precious moment) will have to be “dealt” with.

      The U$ian foundational and exceptional myths are thread-bare and moth-eaten, yet the media and academia will continue to successfully push them onto a childish, stupefied public all aglow with being the preeminent “democracy”, the one True Hope of the world.

      Existential crises?

      What crap!

      Nuclear wars are “winnable” and profitable while, of course, puny little people could NEVER harm or fatally pollute the wellsprings of life on planet Earth.

      Epstein’s demise, predicted by so many, was (is) not a failure of authority, but a sign that authority believes itself far above consequence or even successfully sustained contempt and disgust.

      Corruption wins out when the critical thought process is suffocated at birth.

      However, there are still far too many who believe that “we” can vote our way out of extinction, especially if we keep voting for pre-selected candidates, all those Commander in Chiefs in waiting, the bridesmaids of Armageddon, whose profound inability to perceive societal collapse brought on by agriculture failure on a global scale, renders their “vision” of the future amenable to the financial masters.

      While the Few hunger for more obscene wealth and unrestrained power, the Many will find less and less to sustain their already meager existence, even here in the “Homeland”.

      Yes, Hunger will stalk the Many all over the world and technology will be pushed with a vengeance, to be matched only by the increasingly rigid control of “information” by the likes of Facebook and self-appointed think-tank Commitees of Rectitude which will patrol the boundaries of “Acceptable” speech. All “legal” and “above board” by judicial decree and executive order.

      Legislators will “rubber-stamp” whatever they may be instructed to do so, through bribes and “understandings”.

      Corruption on a massive, almost unimaginable scale?

      “We” are there already.

      Total propaganda on the “official”, “real” channels?

      Already “there”.

      Is Epstein’s demise of great convenience to the elites, financial, governmental, and so on, including foreign and domestic “intelligence” agencies?

      You betcha.

      Now, in light of your success rate with prediction, what do you predict will happen next, Marko?

      What would be the next “convenient thing” for the elites?

      By now, they need not fear anyone calling them out.

      Obama showed whistle-blowers what to expect.

      Trump is showing Manning and Assange (and any who would dare follow their “example”) what to expect.

      So, what can the rest of us expect … next?

      More scandals?

      More outrages?

      More slanders of those opposed to war, of those concerned about environmental catastrophe?

      More of the same old shit, of which Epstein’s demise is but the latest example?

      What nation or people will the U$ next attack, with sanctions or bombs?

      Will “we” teach them uppity Huns (Germans) a lesson, for daring to suggest that the U$ military ought to just leave and take their stinking nukes with them?

      Or will we simply bomb Iran “back to the Stone Age”, or perhaps stare at China, eyeball to eyeball, battleship to battleship, in the South Chona Sea?

      Might the U$ simply declare itself against everyone and “First Strike” the entire world?

      In a word, how much more insane will the U$ become?

      Any predictions?

      And, here is the Big One; When, if ever, will most everybody else, beyond the Israelis and the Brits, the Aussies and Canadians, simply decide that, in terms of U$ belligerence, “enough” is “ENOUGH!!!”?

      It is a fairly safe bet that things are just going to get worse and worse, as even strictly amateur observers can envision that trajectory, but what of the keenest of observers?

      What descending steps or precipitous plunges might they imagine await us as “we” (the U$) go “around the bend”?

      Might it be time for intelligent folks to actually talk with (not at) each other, realizing that the status quo AIN’T working and begin, in democratic fashion, to build a vision of a more humane and sustainable future?

      Perhaps it is both too early and too late for that?

      I must say that these fabulous Friday Consortium News Events DO tend to suggest that REAL endeavor MUST be engaged in, by the Many, IF we are to wrest the future from the vultures and pathologically dangerous Few.

      Should we fail to do this soon, then, ladies and germs, things look rather grim indeed, especially for the young, including my children, who we condemn to a world of violence, scarcity, and extinction … all in the name of mindless, unfettered greed and the infantile lust for absolute power.

      What was it used to be said: “That ain’t a threat, it is a promise.”

      Ain’t none too promising, I would venture to speculate.

      Many of us have a rather clear sense of where things are going, should the present course of things prevail, but I note that even old incrementalists, like Paul Street (I have no idea how old he actually is), who, as late as 2016, advocated that we hold our noses and “vote” for Hillary, now calls for revolution though, as he cautions, “… people will die”.

      Either way people will die.

      If pointing out the truth be “sedition”, if the truth is said to be offense to the Elite Few, then by all means, let us make the most of it.

      How much worse must things become before a majority of U$ians will understand that no political solution, resulting from merely taking a couple of minutes every four years to “choose” a candidate of the two(?!!!) legacy political parties, can possibly make any realistic difference?

      To pretend that democracy exists in the U$, or ever really has existed, is an exercise in childish absurdity, it is pathetic, really, a surrender to empty mythology and compounded deceits.

      Of course, if change is really going to be hard and dangerous, then why should we risk our precious skins and comfortable complacency?

      Let the working stiffs do it.

      Let the lower classes pay the price.

      After all, we are well educated, know about choosing the best wines, have our portfolios profitably aligned …

      I mean really, when you get right down to it, property is far more productive than people, right?

      That is what the Floundering Fathers believed and designed, from the get go, a Constitution and a political process to severely limit democratic tendencies and to protect wealth, property, and power.

      That is NOT democracy.

      Politicians who speak of “returning” to some idyllic age when “things were more democratic” are either ignorant of actual history or conning the flock, sheep-dogging the many who have been spoon-fed stage-managed hagiography as “history”.

      Those who desperately desire power are not ever to be trusted with it.

      Any more than those who want to control information should ever be permitted to do so.

      A decent familiarity with history, compiled by honest historians would admit to their own prejudice, reveals that little but the destructive power of technology has changed over the centuries of what we call “civilization”.

      Too often, state or “official”, violence is excused as merely a manifestation of “human nature”.

      A deeper appreciation of the enculturation process reveals that much of violent behavior is learned, it is taught, either blatantly or through its acceptance or aggrandizement.

      Hollywood aggrandizes violence and violence is as U$ian as Apple pie, slavery and genocide.

      We claim to be shocked when psychologically manipulated and weakened beings run amok and kill other humans in our cities, towns, and countryside, while pretending that we are not a military empire and the most violent of nations, as both policy and a matter of hubristic pride.

      War, the threat of war, and economic warfare, constitute the essence and totality of our “foreign” policy, while U$ police forces kill with brutal “domestic” license every single day. Vast sums are spent on war and “policing”. The largest part of the federal budget goes to “defense” (a euphemistic term if ever there was one) and what monies the police do not get “up front”, they can always obtain through “civil asset forfeiture ” laws.

      Violence is baked into the system, even the prison system reflects the violence directed against the poor, which is successful only because the poor, unlike the rich cannot “buy” their way out, as did Epstein, once upon a time.

      Clearly, there are blatant patterns, obvious to all who are not willfully blind, of endemic systemic violence as fundamental to the U$ian “Way”.

      However, when unhinged “amateurs” go amok, everyone exclaims, “Oh my! Where did this come from?”

      Haven’t a clue?

      No idea at all?

      In U$ parlance: Violence is Solution.

      Just ask John Wayne.

      Just ask John Bolton.

      They’ll tell ya, partner.

      Ya got a problem?

      Say a Epstein?

      We got a solution.

      Even if he did off himself.

      Violence is the Final Solution.

      You can bank on it.

      Literally.

      So, gulls and bouys, who shall we deep six next?

      DW

    • Ikallicrates
      August 12, 2019 at 12:13

      I burned my toast this morning. I want to know who let the Russians get into my kitchen.

      • Marko
        August 12, 2019 at 23:47

        Dang ! All this time I’ve been blaming myself for my burnt toast.

        Actually , it’s kinda comforting to know that it’s probably not our own fault when things go badly , rather it’s just more Russian mischief.

        Finally , an idea from the MSM that I can use to my own benefit !

  8. michael
    August 10, 2019 at 20:27

    It’s odd that despite the huge unending coverage of the El Paso (the Lorax Shooter; great ratings for the MSM and this site! all that “journalists” seem concerned with), there was almost nothing on the ARMED volunteer fireman who stopped a young man wearing armor vests with a rifle and a second gun and lots of rounds who entered a Walmart in Missouri. The off-duty fireman held the young man for police who arrived three minutes later (remember the Lorax Shooter was done shooting when the police arrived six minutes after his shooting began): https://www.firefighternation.com/articles/2019/08/armed-firefighter-stops-armed-man-at-missouri-walmart.html One would think that there would have been appreciation and thanks for an ARMED man stopping and defusing another El Paso situation, but there was almost no coverage. Like our “Beautiful weapons!” slaughtering arab children, our “journalists” are only interested in slaughter and body counts.
    While Australians and Kiwis are free to criticize our “gun culture”, their rape rate and assault rate (double ours) show that, not surprisingly, only gun crimes go down with removal of guns. The slaughter of the 50 Muslims in their mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand (a model for the Lorax Shooter, as he stated in his Manifesto) had no opposition from ANYBODY; almost seemed like the Kiwi government was helping the Australian murderer go from mosque to mosque slaughtering people.

  9. jmg
    August 10, 2019 at 11:47

    “Go back to that experiment you talked about before. You know, it pretends when you hear those results to blame the people, how could they dare not stand up and not even go to the point of killing someone if the authorities tell them to do that. But of course people grow up obeying their parents who are supposedly telling them the right things to do to live well. So it’s the leaders who are exploiting that obedience that people learn as children and it’s the lousy terrible leaders that we have who exploit people for their own powerful interests.”
    — Joe Lauria (CN Live)

    “I believe that the main object of education should be to encourage the young to question and to doubt those things which have been taken for granted. What is important is independence of mind. What is bad in education is the unwillingness to permit students to challenge those views which are accepted and those people who are in power. It is necessary for new ideas to emerge, that young people have every encouragement to fundamentally disagree with the stupidities of their day. Most people who are respectable, and most ideas which are considered to be fundamental are barriers to human achievement.”
    — Bertrand Russell (from “Dear Bertrand Russell: A Selection of His Correspondence with the General Public, 1950-1968”)

    And a short recess/fun on population control by mass media, etc. (well, lol, maybe director John Carpenter is a bit exaggerated here… or not?):

    They Live sunglasses
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI8AMRbqY6w

  10. jmg
    August 10, 2019 at 11:23

    “Go back to that experiment you talked about before. You know, it pretends when you hear those results to blame the people, how could they dare not stand up and not even go to the point of killing someone if the authorities tell them to do that. But of course people grow up obeying their parents who are supposedly telling them the right things to do to live well. So it’s the leaders who are exploiting that obedience that people learn as children and it’s the lousy terrible leaders that we have who exploit people for their own powerful interests.”
    — Joe Lauria (CN Live)

    “I believe that the main object of education should be to encourage the young to question and to doubt those things which have been taken for granted. What is important is independence of mind. What is bad in education is the unwillingness to permit students to challenge those views which are accepted and those people who are in power. It is necessary for new ideas to emerge, that young people have every encouragement to fundamentally disagree with the stupidities of their day. Most people who are respectable, and most ideas which are considered to be fundamental are barriers to human achievement.”
    — Bertrand Russell (from “Dear Bertrand Russell: A Selection of His Correspondence with the General Public, 1950-1968”)

    And a short recess/fun on population control by mass media, etc. (well, lol, maybe a bit exaggerated here… or not?):

    They Live sunglasses
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI8AMRbqY6w

    • jmg
      August 10, 2019 at 11:51

      Sorry, duplicate post.

  11. Jill
    August 10, 2019 at 09:42

    cjonsson1,

    Thank you and others for the kind words. I have found that writing to customer service when they are begging for you to subscribe actually goes up the chain of command in their response to me. I urge others to try this method.

    I can try sending it in as an editorial but I don’t think that will get very far. It’s still worth a try. But I do know the other way works and I want to share that information with others. The NYT’s should be asked by its customers or potential customers to explain their actions. Car dealers have to answer questions about their products, so can the Times! (I call the NYTimes the Tesla of newspapers!)

    I truly hope this documentary will help Assange and Manning. If it’s shown to as many people as possible, it will give a true understanding of what happened to counteract all the lies.

  12. geeyp
    August 10, 2019 at 04:53

    We already knew The Guardian put Wikileaks in jeopardy over two of their “reporters” printing the CIA password in the Afghan War Logs material. Now we see, in real time, the NYT set up Julian Assange. “You first” is the cowardly approach NYT took, or already in cahoots with the CIA, knew to prepare the plan against Julian in 2010. I would relish these two sets of lowlifes on the witness stand forced to admit that Julian was right and they were wrong. All I read from leading respected real journalists since 2010 is faulting Wikileaks for not redacting enough personal info in their releases. This refutes that criticism entirely, and should notify and inform Julian’s defense attorneys immediately.

    • Hawaiiguy
      August 10, 2019 at 19:16

      Does any sane American want to remove guns from its people against an elite corrupt system who blatantly walks into a federal prison with zero caution, executes a beastly child rapist in order to protect all of his high powered polital and business elites around the world? No Sir give me lots more guns as we’ll need them when the anarchy truly hits the fan. You think US Government is not going to hunt the masses down when the collapse comes? Think again.

      • EugeneVDebs
        August 11, 2019 at 09:21

        And yet all your guns have been unable to prevent all those mass shootings from occurring during the past twenty years or so.

      • hetro
        August 11, 2019 at 11:52

        My understanding of the discussion, as with comments from Australia, is to do something toward more effective gun control, not take them away. I would hate to see CN become the instigator of this sort of hysteria. Where is CN’s rejoinder on this?

  13. Ramon
    August 10, 2019 at 02:29

    Dear Joe Lauria. Consortium News is one of my top websites for a sane take on the world. A request, can you make CN Live a podcast?
    I don’t have the time to sit watching for two or three hours I have lots of mindless jobs in the day like driving or nice things like cycling during which I would welcome the chance to listen to the show. My phone will only let me listen if I sign up to YouTube, which I have no intension of doing.
    Kind regards

  14. cjonsson1
    August 10, 2019 at 02:14

    Rebecca Peters, I think the gun problem in America has to do with an irrational government, media propaganda, a terrible economy, loss of opportunity, erasure of history, racism, the NRA, the military industrial complex promotion of war, lack of social and economic mobility, and the intentional hostile division of political parties. Disrespect for individual people’s lives, lack of humanity, individual rights, welfare, well being, support, empathy, consideration, sense of community, education, protection, fairness, equality, tolerance, generational divide, lack of respect for others, national arrogance, our ineffectual presidents ….
    In other words everything about us today has to do with our gun problem. Fascism.

  15. Pete Clark
    August 10, 2019 at 01:34

    I love CN Live. I have watched every episode, most more than one time. Very thoughtful discussion and excellent reporting. I want to comment about your reporting regarding guns. I happen to hold another position than the one expressed by Joe Lauria and Rebecca Peters, but I think that there is a way to bridge the differences between those who want to preserve the right to bear arms and those who wish to restrict that right.

    My proposal is to turn the issue into an insurance problem. This would have the benefit of providing an economic incentive to do it – when people can make money doing something, the resistance is a lot less. Let’s use the example of the automobile, which actually is also a dangerous product in that the use of automobiles kill and injure at least as many people as guns do, sometimes willfully, sometimes accidentally, and sometimes as a means of committing suicide. In most places in the world, you are required to have insurance for the automobile you own. If you do end up killing or injuring someone as the result of using your automobile, the insurance company at least provides some compensation to the victims. If certain cars are involved in more accidents than other cars, the insurance rates for those models goes up. If certain individuals are more likely than others to be involved in accidents than others, their insurance premiums also go up, or in some cases they will find themselves unable to obtain insurance.

    There is no reason why the gun problem could not be addressed by requiring all guns to be insured, the same as automobiles. Insurance has not infringed on the rights of law abiding citizens to own an automobile. Insurance would not infringe on the rights of law abiding citizens to own a gun. However, requiring insurance would provide a mechanism to at least provide some measure of compensation to the victims, and it would also provide a mechanism for making less dangerous guns to be more popular and more dangerous guns to be less popular.

    I have made this same argument previously to others, but so far, it really has taken hold. I hope that maybe CN can at least explore such an idea and maybe help to give it legs.

  16. August 10, 2019 at 00:22

    A Glaring Threat Iran is Ready for thread

    A Glaring Threat. Iran is ready for defense in the Persian Gulf

  17. hetro
    August 9, 2019 at 21:25

    In view of this latest on the framing of Assange, his being driven into deeper problems with the Espionage Act, we see of course not just the viciousness in these acts but the desperation, possibly panic, by which the authorities here are willing to transgress not only common decency and honesty but international law to shut him up.

    I just watched Oliver Stone’s movie JFK, which had an interesting impact on public opinion as to who murdered him, versus the official story. I hope that within the community of Assange supporters, as with John Pilger and presumably Oliver Stone, some kind of drama could be created to tell his story. This would help fight the patent bigotry we are seeing and in the forthcoming show trial.

    The JFK movie by the way I did not enjoy. But it’s probably a mirror of what we’ve been talking about today in the way this country has entered a descent over these last decades, “reality-options” included.

  18. hetro
    August 9, 2019 at 21:12

    I wanted to pick up on Kunstler’s “reality-option society.” I believe this phrase nails the problem very well and is essentially the response, Joe, to your rational and sensible ideas on the 2nd amendment.

    But in reality-option land it’s not about being rational and sensible. The government owns the police and the military now, is the difference, so the need (the weapons zealots’ need) remains in place, for what some might say is a paranoid view, an over-reaction, or at least not a desirable reaction. But it is a reaction long cultivated, over most of the country’s history to begin with, and not so long ago caught in that image of the tall, lean, tough SOB John Wayne or whoever.

    The “reality-option” society is also symbolized in the brave-new-worldian typical corporation today: robotic, soul-less, suffocatingly regimented, ruthless. What has been unleashed here, in a confluence of forces, and possibly without specific directional intellect (as with by specific individuals), but evolving, as one thing leads to another. “Reality” cooks differently at different times. The zeitgeist evolves, as Orwell, Huxley, and others were warning bout. We have taken the “reality-option” cooked for us. Which also greatly encourages and rewards NOT thinking.

  19. Dorothy
    August 9, 2019 at 19:12

    I’ll make another comment because the topic was raised in today’s CN Live. The American public does seem to be easily led. I would suggest it was so set up over 100 years ago when the Prussian model of education was imported. The majority of the public have become followers–on purpose–85% to be the workers and military personnel. Non-thinkers–just followers. John Taylor Gatto, an educator, has done books and presentations on this subject. All on YouTube but well worth the time to research.

  20. ML
    August 9, 2019 at 17:07

    Thank you Joe and Elizabeth! Hang in there with the reactions from your republished article, Joe. And stay safe. There are obviously a lot of deranged and angry men out there. CN is a shining light beaming into the darkness of our collective American souls. Mil gracias!

  21. ronnie mitchell
    August 9, 2019 at 16:12

    I enjoyed the part about the Times and The Guardian ambush of Assange, new news to me for sure.

    I have one thing I think that can detract from CN’s credibility in the comment section on YouTube when the tech person there, Ebon Kim refers to mass shootings as “false flags” but no less important is that also is a “Flat Earther”, no joke look at the comment area but as the tech person for CN it can look like those views reflect those of CN.

    Which is ridiculous of course but not everyone will know that.

    • Consortiumnews.com
      August 9, 2019 at 16:39

      Those views absolutely do not reflect those of Consortium News. Thank you for pointing that out.

  22. Dorothy Crouch
    August 9, 2019 at 15:59

    Elizabeth asks a very important question about medications leading to the large number of mass shootings we have in the U.S. Dr. Peter Breggin, Psychiatrist, has done a lot of work on this topic. As the result he has said that until doctors stopped prescribing pharmaceutical drugs such as Prozac and including many more, we will continue to have these mass shootings. He has forced the pharmaceutical companies to label those drugs as possibly causing violent and aggressive behaviors. He claimed that all the school shooters have been on these drugs. Most children on the autism spectrum are also on these drugs. Dr. Breggin has a website and can be contacted. If these drugs are actually motivating these shooters in these mass shootings who or what is actually to blame?

  23. Jill
    August 9, 2019 at 15:50

    I just wrote to the NYTimes customer service dept. They are begging me to subscribe to them so I had a question for them.

    As your potential customer I would like a response to a disturbing documentary on your paper’s highest “reporters” setting up Assange and trying to get Wikileaks to take a fall for something your paper actually did.

    This isn’t a he said, he said situation, it’s actual footage from your newsroom. Your paper, at the highest level lied about Assange and continues to lie about him. Yet you are asking me to purchase a product which is ethically challenged, a known purveyor of lies, and your paper was/is willing to hurt another journalist while taking all the glory in using that journalists’ material. In short, the NYTimes is a faulty product.

    So, as a customer service representative, please tell me what happened to your product? Are you going to correct the problem or just ignore it? If you will be correcting it, how will you do that? Will you write an accurate story on what was done and fully admit to these heinous acts? That is the only ethical thing to do. Will you do it?

    Let me know so I can see if you plan to keep purveying an inherently faulty and ethically disgraceful product or if you plan to come clean. Your would be customer wants to know!

    Jill

    P.S. See just a small part of the documentary on Consortium News. It features Mark Davis and he filmed your top people in their depraved and indifferent acts!

    • ML
      August 9, 2019 at 17:33

      Good going, Jill. I have an address for Julien that I either got from a commenter here, or at WSWS. I thought I’d drop him a card. Don’t know if he will get it, but if he is allowed mail, notes and letters may brighten his dark days. The address I have is: Mr. Julien Assange, D.O. B. 3/7/1971, ( which I was told told must be included by his name), HMP Belmarsh, Western Way, London, UK SE280EB.
      I am about to write both my congressmen now on this issue.

    • cjonsson1
      August 10, 2019 at 02:22

      Great letter Jill. Why not send it in the form of letter to the editor?
      Present your dilemma to the other readers for their consideration.
      Who knows if it will be published.

      • Jill
        August 10, 2019 at 09:42

        cjonsson1,

        Thank you and others for the kind words. I have found that writing to customer service when they are begging for you to subscribe actually goes up the chain of command in their response to me. I urge others to try this method.

        I can try sending it in as an editorial but I don’t think that will get very far. It’s still worth a try. But I do know the other way works and I want to share that information with others. The NYT’s should be asked by its customers or potential customers to explain their actions. Car dealers have to answer questions about their products, so can the Times! (I call the NYTimes the Tesla of newspapers!)

        I truly hope this documentary will help Assange and Manning. If it’s shown to as many people as possible, it will give a true understanding of what happened to counteract all the lies.

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