Trump Lets Saudis Off on 9/11 Evidence

Like his predecessors, President Trump made nice with the rich royals of Saudi Arabia, despite damning evidence that they have supported Islamic terrorists, including the 9/11 attackers, notes 9/11 widow Kristen Breitweiser.

By Kristen Breitweiser

President Trump has cut a $110 billion arms deal with the Saudis. As someone who is trying to hold the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia accountable for the mass murder of 3,000 on 9/11 (of which my husband Ron was an innocent victim), I’d think President Trump would be up in arms with the Saudis, not selling arms to them — especially given the information set forth below.

President Donald Trump touches lighted globe with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi and Saudi King Salman at the opening of Saudi Arabia’s Global Center for Combating Extremist Ideology on May 21, 2017. (Photo from Saudi TV)

Many people know the explicit evidence found from 2009 that Saudi Arabia was, “a critical financial support base for al Qaeda, the Taliban, LeT and other terrorist groups.

Just like many know the more recent and far more damning 2016 revelation that Saudi Arabia continues to provide “clandestine financial and logistical support to ISIL and other radical Sunni groups” in the Middle East.

[Also, see Consortiumnews.com’s “The Long-Hidden 9/11 Saudi Trail” and “America First or Saudi Arabia First?”]

And, anyone who cares about women’s rights and human rights should also know about the latest human rights report produced by Rex Tillerson’s own State Department that details, “Saudi Arabia’s restrictions on universal rights, such as freedom of expression, including on the internet, and the freedoms of assembly, association, movement and religion, as well as the country’s pervasive gender discrimination.”

Indeed, according to Wikipedia, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is consistently ranked among the “worst of the worst” in Freedom House’s annual survey of political and civil rights, among the 11 least free nations in the world giving the country a score of 10 out of 100 on its freedom index. Interestingly, Iran is ranked better on human rights issues than Saudi Arabia; Iran’s Freedom House ranking is 17.

Zubaydah’s Admissions

But perhaps what many — including President Trump and his advisers — might not know about Saudi Arabia is the information surrounding the capture and interrogation of Al Qaeda’s Abu Zubaydah, who currently remains in custody at the Guantanamo Bay prison. I’d like to share some of that information — chronicled in Gerald Posner’s Why America Slept: The Failure to Prevent 9/11 — with the hope that learning this information might further crystalize why the 9/11 families are so driven to hold the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia accountable for its alleged role in the 9/11 attacks.

Guantanamo Bay prisoner Abu Zubaydah

As Posner reported, Abu Zubaydah “was long considered to be a key member of al Qaeda’s inner circle. He was born in Saudi Arabia in 1971 but grew up in the Palestinian refugee camps in the Gaza Strip. After early involvement with Hamas, he was recruited by al Zawahiri’s Islamic Jihad and when al Zawahiri fused his group with bin Laden’s al Qaeda in 1996, Zubaydah was appointed chief of operations. Zubaydah was in charge of the eastern Afghanistan camps responsible for training thousands of Muslim radicals. Bin Laden trusted Zubaydah, and put him in charge of the Millennium plot to bomb the Radisson Hotel in Jordan and Los Angeles International Airport on New Year’s Day, 2000. Zubaydah also served as the field commander for the USS Cole Attack.”

Thankfully, Zubaydah was captured by U.S. Special Forces in 2002. During the capture, Zubaydah was severely injured and required medical care. He was given medical attention and placed on intravenous fluids including pain killers — and sodium pentothal.

At the time, U.S. intelligence decided to play a trick on Zubaydah. This trick entailed leading Zubaydah to believe that the U.S. was ready to hand him over to Saudi intelligence officials for further (even more severe) interrogation since Zubaydah wasn’t “fully cooperating” with U.S. interrogators. The Saudis’ reputation for interrogation was rather severe — it included extreme torture and sometimes death. U.S. intelligence surmised that in facing the threat of being handed over to the Saudis, Zubaydah would want to stay with the U.S. interrogators who were giving him medical attention and, therefore, Zubaydah might be more willing to “talk.”

What happens next is what few people know. When “handed over to the Saudis” (who were really just U.S. intelligence agents pretending to be Saudi intelligence), Zubaydah was actually relieved and started demanding to talk to his contact within Saudi intelligence — in addition to several members of the Saudi Royal Family.

According to Posner’s account, “when confronted with men passing themselves off as Saudi security officers, Zubaydah’s reaction was not fear, but instead relief. The prisoner, who had been reluctant even to confirm his identity to his American captors, suddenly started talking animatedly. He was happy to see them, he said, because he feared the Americans would torture and kill him. Zubaydah asked his interrogators to call a senior member of the ruling Saudi Royal family. He then provided the home number and cell phone number from memory. “He will tell you what to do.”

The Rosetta Stone

Upon further questioning by his “Saudi interrogators,” Zubaydah raised his voice and unleashed a “torrent of information that one investigator refers to as the Rosetta Stone of 9/11” or what he claimed was his work for senior Saudi and Pakistani officials.

The World Trade Center’s Twin Towers burning on 9/11. (Photo credit: National Park Service)

According to Posner, Zubaydah said, “he was present in 1996 in Pakistan when bin Laden struck a deal with Mushaf Ali Mir, a highly placed military officer with close ties to some of the most pro-Islamist elements in the Pakistani ISI. It was a relationship that was still active in 2002 and provided bin Laden and al Qaeda protection, arms, and supplies. And that military deal with al Qaeda was blessed by the Saudis, claimed Zubaydah. Bin Laden had personally told Zubaydah of the early 1991 meeting he had with Saudi intelligence chief Prince Turki, and again, Zubaydah claimed he was personally present several times when Turki and bin Laden met in Afghanistan and Pakistan during the 1990s.

“According to Zubaydah, he was the al Qaeda representative in Kandahar in the summer of 1998 when Prince Turki and Taliban officials struck a deal in which Turki gave assurances that more Saudi aid would flow to the Taliban and that the Saudis would never ask for bin Laden’s extradition, so long as al Qaeda kept its long-standing promise of directing fundamentalism away from the Kingdom.”

Posner reported that Zubaydah “insisted that the Saudis not only sent money regularly to al Qaeda, but that he personally dealt through a series of intermediaries with several members of the Royal family. He then gave more private telephone numbers from memory for a businessman and former military pilot, Prince Sultan bin Faisal bin Turki al Saud, another nephew of King Fahd’s and a friend of Prince Fahd’s, and also for a contemporary to his own age, another distant relative of King Fahd’s, twenty-five-year-old Prince Fahd bin Turki bin Saud al Kabir.”

The Saudi Cover-up

Shocked to learn this information about their Saudi and Pakistani “allies,” CIA officials investigated the claims put forth by Zubaydah. And then they decided to pass some of the information to their Saudi and Pakistani counterparts hoping to gain a better understanding of the situation.

Prince Turki al-Faisal, former chief of Saudi intelligence.

Posner continues, “The Agency was as interested in monitoring the behind-the-scenes responses of its two allies as in what they officially replied on the record. U.S. officials were already frustrated with the lack of Saudi assistance on the hijackers, fifteen of whom were citizens of the Kingdom. Saudi authorities had released no information about them. And that all of them evaded detection by Saudi internal security forces, who maintain massive domestic files, had puzzled American officials.”

Of course, the Saudis denied all the information, secret deals, and connections put forth by Zubaydah. Soon thereafter, interestingly (and rather unfortunately), all of the individuals named by Zubaydah during his interrogation turned up dead — except, of course, Prince Turki who was removed from his post as head of Saudi intelligence and named as Saudi Ambassador to Britain.

Posner reported, “on July 22, 2002, less than four months after Zubaydah’s revelations, the Saudis announced the unexpected death of Prince Ahmed. He was forty-three. The cause of death was a heart attack, said the official Saudi news agency. The following day, the second man named by Zubaydah, forty-one year old Prince Sultan bin Faisal bin Turki al Saud was killed in a car accident as he was driving from the resort of Jeddah to Riyadh for the funeral of his cousin, Prince Ahmed. According to Saudi police, speed was the likely cause of the accident which did not involve another car.

“One week later, the third person named by Zubaydah, twenty-five year old Prince Fahd bin Turki bin Saud al Kabir was also found dead. He died while on a trip in the province of Remaah, fifty-five miles east of Riyadh. The Saudi Royal Court announced his death, saying the prince who was traveling during the height of the Saudi summer heat had ‘died of thirst.’”

Months later, Mushaf Ali Mir, the Pakistani “loose end” named by Zubaydah, was killed with several others in a plane crash. Case closed. Problem solved.

A Distracted America

Unfortunately, at the time that the Zubaydah information initially became public in fall 2003, the United States was a nation with a President preoccupied with a war in Iraq. Neither the Bush Administration nor the American public paid proper attention to the Zubaydah information and/or the alleged Saudi role in the 9/11 attacks.

Prince Bandar bin Sultan, then Saudi ambassador to the United States, meeting with President George W. Bush in Crawford, Texas, on Aug. 27, 2002. (White House photo)

Since that time, the obvious questions raised by the Zubaydah information have yet to be properly and/or publicly investigated and/or answered. All the while, Abu Zubaydah remains in U.S. custody and at least somewhat willing to talk as a prisoner at GTMO. [Similar unanswered questions were raised by another Al Qaeda member in U.S. custody, Zacarias Moussaoui, who testified about his own collaboration with Saudi officials.]

And that’s why President Trump should be up in arms — and perhaps even twisting arms — in Saudi Arabia, not selling them arms. Because the record and facts surrounding the 9/11 attacks (whether provided in the so-called “28 pages, the 9/11 Commission report and its voluminous footnotes, or other sources like Posner’s book) all point a very strong finger at the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and its role in the 9/11 attacks. The Saudis should be held accountable for that alleged role in a court of law.

Sixteen years post-9/11, the 9/11 families are still earnestly trying to receive a modicum of justice in a court of law by providing all the evidence we have gathered against the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. We simply want our day in court.

We certainly hope President Trump and Congress will continue to support us in our path to justice in holding the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia accountable for its alleged financial and logistical role in the murder of our loved ones.

Kristen Breitweiser is a 9/11 widow and activist who – working with other 9/11 widows known collectively as the “Jersey Girls” – pressured the U.S. government to conduct a formal investigation into the terror attacks on Sept. 11, 2001. Follow Kristen Breitweiser on Twitter: www.twitter.com/kdbreitweiser. [A version of this article originally appeared as a blog post at HuffingtonPost.]

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52 comments for “Trump Lets Saudis Off on 9/11 Evidence

  1. Joe Tedesky
    May 23, 2017 at 11:11 am

    It’s possible you have done this or at least tried, but Mrs Breitweiser have you attempted to go on the talk show circuit? Like ‘the View’. I say this, because while I read all your essays, and especially this latest one here, I keep thinking of how more Americans need to hear what you have to say. I agree with you wholeheartedly that the evil behind 911 must be brought to justice. Sincerely Joe

    • Brad Owen
      May 23, 2017 at 11:36 am

      Joe; also checking out EIR (Executive Intelligence Review), in their Search Box will turn up some fascinating and damning information. I just typed in, from memory; “B.A.E. Saudi deal”, and up popped an article named “Scandal of the Century”, by Jeffery Steinberg, chief of counter-intelligence operations for EIR. The EIR folks found out the “whodunit” within months of 9-11: the B.A.E.-al Yamamah deal. You can type in 9-11 also.

      • Brad Owen
        May 23, 2017 at 11:46 am

        The gist of the story is that this British arms-for-oil barter, brokered by Prince Bandar, created an off-shore, off-the-books 100 billion dollar slush fund to finance covert operations all around the World (including 9-11, necessary for establishing the defacto police state we live under, enabling all the war crimes committed in the war on terror, and R2P), which defines the first sixteen years of our 21st century.

        • Joe Tedesky
          May 23, 2017 at 4:28 pm

          Thanks Brad I will be sure to check it out. I do like the stuff your reference me to. thanks Joe

          • Jonathan Marshall
            May 23, 2017 at 9:02 pm
          • Joe Tedesky
            May 23, 2017 at 11:06 pm

            Jonathan Marshall thank you for that link. Your article on ‘How Arms Sales Distort US Foreign Policy’ puts it all where it belongs. Ike’s warning is always remembered by at least one in the room, but LeMay’s spirit still excites the other four in the room who convince the other five that we must vanquish our enemies, before they obliterate the whole lot of us. What goes unreported in the MSM is how rich those four LeMay impersonators got over going to war.

            I’m sitting here wondering for instance, if the rub over N Korea isn’t as much about Kim Jung-un as it maybe it is about Moon Jae-in. I mean seriously while Kim Jung-un is a threat to his next door neighbors Moon Jae-in maybe a bigger threat to Raytheon and their THAAD missile sales.

            When I think of 911 I can’t help but think of all the money since that fateful day which has been spent on military and security products, and personnel…oh, and don’t forget those high paid consultants. Should we ask Michael Chertoff how good it has got since that nightmare called 911.

            Possibly Kristen Brietweiset would do better to follow the money, and in doing so find out the ‘why’ behind 911.

        • Tom Real
          May 23, 2017 at 6:58 pm

          Thank you for this information. It seems to be the source for ISIS Inc. etc.
          So sad. The West is in captivity.

        • Joe Tedesky
          May 23, 2017 at 11:24 pm

          Brad I remember reading on this site about the BAE scandal. I’m in the middle of reading the link you provided to the Jeffrey Steinberg paper. I just read the Jonathan Marshall article which I first read here on consortiumnews back in October, and once again it guarantees to me, that it’s money, money money that makes the world go round.

          I have pondered to what if our arms manufacturers were to by law need to transition into manufacturing other products which they could blanket the world with. Why not organic ecological products, and tools? Why not medical research, or a world cradle to grave healthcare project? Why not agriculture equipment, and gmo free farming grants? Shouldn’t we be building a earth friendly environment to accommodate the world’s ever growing population? Pick a need, and then tell me why mankind couldn’t replaced this profitable quest for war with an even more profitable humanitarian based set of programs. Think about it the even more profitable is life over buried unrecovered land mines.

      • Brad Owen
        May 24, 2017 at 2:15 pm

        Also, in EIR’s search box, type in “Fight Fascism, the way Franklin Roosevelt did”. It’s a concise article, penned by LaRouche, from the Great Depression to today, and it’s all of-a-piece, the same damn war being fought, as in WWII, and before, with economic warfare and the rise of right-wing movements all over Europe, and up to the time of Cheney (the article is from 2004, but nothing has changed…yet. It’s getting ready to change though, BIG TIME, for the good guys, due to the Belt&Roaders, which was created essentially by Lyndon and Helga LaRouche to…you guessed it….fight fascism the way Franklin Roosevelt did, successfully (until he died and the fascists re-gained the upper hand in post-war forties). Lyndon has been soldiering on for FDR. He’s 95 now and still going strong.

    • Dr. Ibrahim Soudy
      May 23, 2017 at 12:14 pm

      The question I have is why doesn’t she go to the US Courts and launch a lawsuit against the King of Saudi Arabia, personally. Or someone like Prince Bandar since his wife supposedly was part of the financing loop?! She keeps writing these articles but other points of views are not permitted on this blog, may I ask why?! Do we have Freedom of Thought, Freedom of Research, Freedom of Expression including speech OR we don’t?!

      • Joe Tedesky
        May 23, 2017 at 4:42 pm

        Dr Soudy, I’m not a lawyer, but what you suggest sounds good enough that maybe Mrs Breitweiser ought to pursue that avenue. I know I would, and I would be a little surprised to if Kristen Breitweiser didn’t already look into that kind of approach. Your suggestion Dr Soudy again sounds like something that she should do.

        What other points of view should be disgusted on this site regarding the 911 attack, and the 911 families? I’m not sure exactly to what specifics we should be talking about, but I always read your comments, so I know you would bring something worthwhile to the table for discussion. Please, if you have the time, open up the discussion you would wish us to have. I for one would would enjoy learning to what it is that you have percolating inside of your mind…..sincerely Joe

        • Dr. Ibrahim Soudy
          May 23, 2017 at 5:57 pm

          Joe,

          Thanks for your kind words. Please see this…….Stonewalled by the C.I.A.

          http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/02/opinion/02kean.html

          This is written by the two men who led the 9/11 Commission. They also said publicly “We were set up to fail” talking about the commission. We need an independent investigation of what really happened NOT A POLITICAL COMMISSION with Democrats trying to protect Bill Clinton and Republicans trying to protect G.W. Bush.

          • Joe Tedesky
            May 23, 2017 at 10:39 pm

            Thanks Dr Soudy, I have been meaning to read what Thomas H. Kean and Lee H. Hamilton had had to say in regard to their descent against the 911 Commission’s findings, or as they described the hindered process. Seeing this reminds of Hale Boggs, and how after serving on the Warren Commission, and upon his not accepting the single bullet theory Boggs had an untimely death as a result of a plane crash over Alaska. Coincidence is the guardian of unsuspected, and unexplainable, fateful events.

            With that I wish the two once 911 Commision officials a long and healthy life, but I would like a further investigation based upon what we now know, and didn’t know at the time of the Commisions investigation. You would think that in a country which sings it’s own praises over fairness, and justice, that with just what Thomas H. Kean and Lee H. Hamilton stated in their article, that their words reported would be enough to reopen the 911 investigation.

            I hope that Mrs Breitweiser somehow will finally attain the closure she so well deserves, but for now I’m sorry to say, that her government has betrayed her, and with that we all weep.

            Thanks for the reply, and the link was a great learn….Joe

            Ps I also hate Commisions….they never work the way they are suppose to.

      • Tom Real
        May 23, 2017 at 7:01 pm

        Dr. Ibrahim Soudy: We do not have these freedoms anymore. It is over and hard to accept, thus anxiety.
        Not a cop out. This is hard reality. No I do not like it.

      • Cal
        May 24, 2017 at 1:06 am

        Brietweiset is simple minded. Sorry but she is.

        I have been following the effort to sue Saudi for 911 for years –ever since the Cozen class action law firm tried to file suit against Saudi years ago and the court wouldnt accept it. After that they ) and another firm) started a major lobbying push on certain senators to get something from congress that would allow citizens to sue Saudi. Now they have it.

        Think about it—-if a court declares that Saudi was complicit or behind 911 then what next?..what besides the billions the lawyers will make and the windfall to the little people…do we declare war on Saudi? ..like we did Iraq …do we bomb the Saudis like we did Afghanis?
        Hummm, Israel would love that.

        Or will Americans be satisfied that some people got rich off Saudi guilt– but Saudi got a pass on being invaded.

        ORWELL ORWELL ORWELL,,,,,,cant get any crazier than this.

    • JWalters
      May 23, 2017 at 7:38 pm

      Regardless of the Saudis’ specific role in 9/11, the investigation needs to be re-opened because the official reports are so obvious flawed. The first official report did not even mention the fact that a third building collapsed (Building 7). How could a report commissioned to get the full story about 9/11 completely omit one of three buildings that collapsed? Not only no analysis of it’s collapse, not even a mention of the fact that it collapsed! It beggars belief.

      The second report, years later and after continued pressure from the victims’ families, also has serious problems. A main problem is that the report’s explanation of why the building collapsed (it was not hit by a plane) is contradicted by videos of the building collapsing.

      So it’s like a murder scene with three bodies. The official report only discusses two bodies, and ignores the body whose murder does not fit the explanation for the other two. Then a follow-up report on the third body presents a theory that is contradicted by a video of the murder.

      A handy, brief introduction to the 9/11 case problems, with many links to a variety of extremely solid evidence, is at
      http://warprofiteerstory.blogspot.com

      • Dr. Ibrahim Soudy
        May 23, 2017 at 8:18 pm

        Thank You, Sir, so very much………………

      • backwardsevolution
        May 23, 2017 at 9:32 pm

        JWalters – I am about halfway through that long, long article at the site you linked. (Actually, I think you had posted the same link a few days ago on another one of Consortium’s articles). Excellent! Thank you for posting it. I’m taking my time so I can digest it all.

        I’d bet the Saudis are involved, but only to supply the money and martyrs. I think the U.S. knew this was coming, and they let it happen (just like with JFK). Whoever masterminded this was methodical, tenacious, intelligent, psychopathic, and had enough clout so that everyone looked the other way. Who could that be?

        I’ll let you know what I think when I’m finished, but it’s great stuff. Thank you.

        • JWalters
          May 23, 2017 at 10:21 pm

          An apt description of the minds behind it. They also had enough clout to rein in the entire mainstream media in America. That doesn’t seem like the Saudis. It does, however, fit the Israelis.

          • Cal
            May 24, 2017 at 1:30 am

            Amazing isn’t it, how no one is looking in to the Israeli connection..?

      • Joe Tedesky
        May 24, 2017 at 1:00 am

        My wife and I just met a retired government worker who wouldn’t stop talking, but he was fun to listen too. He blurred it out how he knew everything there was to know about 911, and that’s the way buildings fall when there is a fire…oh boy, I let him go on, because he was amazing, he went to Penn State, he was once a Marine….he wasn’t stupid, but. I asked him what he thought about Build #7, and he honestly went blank. I then made the remark that 911 should be transparently and independently researched, and this guy who knew everything agreed.

        The reason I am telling you about this guy, is to point to a narrative problem that if there’s any hope to rekindle the 911 investigation, the narrative will need to change. Without a willing media to do this we are all screwed. Our conversation here must never end, and no matter how small our voices are we must hope that at least a few of our grandchildrens age will adopt our opinion of finding out the truth to what happened on 911.

        • SortingHat
          May 24, 2017 at 3:06 am

          At this point we will have to stop the spraying of our skies and *geo engineering* of our climate. It’s harming us more then helping us. People have different theories of why they are doing it from solar radiation management to *cooling* the earth from man made global warming to stopping radiation from Japan.

          My thoughts are from keeping a close eye (two eyes actually) on it that it’s a multi-purpose tool. Whatever agenda groups that have access to the financial programs calls the shots and they all want different things done including depopulating the world which making people sick with rising (thru the roof) rates of cancers including people who shouldn’t be having cancer and people *me included* having forgetful issues at young ages like your middle age.

          I think the spraying started off as a *good humane* idea that quickly grew out of control tothe point the original founder of the idea has become forgotten by the newer people who use the toxic chemicals for their own deeds. Nobody has any clue to what it’s about and they just give BS answers to other people who don’t care or investigate. Then they tell us stupid stuff like “It’s just normal air traffic”

          Bull shit. Contrails vanish shortly where CHEMTRAILS form a huge white cloud that covers the sun and doing it multiple times creates artificial rainbow effects from the metals in the air coming to your lungs.

          Do you care about your air?

        • SortingHat
          May 24, 2017 at 3:08 am

          Wouldn’t it be weird if there was a hidden group of mind magic wizards that went around erasing people’s minds similar to the Oblivate spell found in Harry Potter to make us muggles forget and then you wonder why they are coming out acting dumb and stupid. Not because they are but because their memories modified so they will remember nothing that day.

          The reactions of people who were there and saw waht actually happeend refusing to talk about it acting stupid and blank shows some kindo f modification done.

  2. mike k
    May 23, 2017 at 11:54 am

    This is a little off the essay topic, but I feel it is important to consider what mike Whitney has to say about the probability that Trump’s presidency will be terminated by the special prosecutor putting the witch hunt into high gear. It is a contest between Trump and his supporters who put him in office and the deep state which is determined to bring him down. Trump’s political ineptitude will greatly help them to destroy him. His ouster will prove for once and all who is really in charge of the United States – the Deep State Rules.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/23/rosenstein-and-mueller-the-regime-change-tag-team/

    • Tom Real
      May 23, 2017 at 7:02 pm

      You are correct. Trump is so naive and lame. Deep State (not a new thing at all, see Dallas/Kennedy) will terminate him one way or another.

    • backwardsevolution
      May 23, 2017 at 9:58 pm

      mike k – I like Mike Whitney, and that was a very good article. I agree with him. Mueller and Comey are good handlers/cleaners. They come in and out of government, sweeping up messes, hiding dirt, lying, and taking people down.

      I posted an article the other day that spoke to Comey’s lack of integrity.

      http://thefederalist.com/2017/05/17/former-attorney-general-on-comeys-integrity-jims-loyalty-was-more-to-chuck-schumer/

      Both Mike Whitney and the Federalist article speak about the Stellar Wind program. Something is up with that.

      • backwardsevolution
        May 23, 2017 at 10:03 pm

        mike k – also found this other article re Comey’s hurried hospital visit to Attorney-General John Ashcroft.

        “It has been widely reported that Comey objected to the White House’s desire to have the attorney general — seriously ill — reauthorize an NSA collection program — codenamed (we think) Stellar Wind — that swept in massive amount of meta-data emanating to or from an overseas source to a U.S. person with at least some tangential connection to terrorism. The meta-data would include — or could include — troves of e-mail messages, internet protocol addresses, phone logs of friends.

        But there appears to be more to the story.

        After Shane Harris, my National Journal colleague, finished giving a talk on his great new book, a former intelligence community official eased his way into a conversation that Harris, Orin Kerr of George Washington University and I were having about the incident. (Newsweek’s Michael Isikoff had asked Harris about his theory during a Q an A.)

        “What you think isn’t what happened,” the official told us, unprompted. “Not about the meta-data?” one of us asked. “No, not about the meta-data. It was about something else. I can’t tell you what it was. I don’t think it’s been in the public domain yet. If you show me a TOP SECRET clearance, I could go out in the woods somewhere and tell you, but I can’t.”

        Now — as we were wondering why a former intelligence official would volunteer this information to us, we also got to thinking about what the conflict might actually have been about.

        If it wasn’t about the collection of data, and it wasn’t about how the data was used and it wasn’t a question of statutory question — the official also offered those nuggets — then what was left?

        Our guess: the retention of the data and how it could be used down the line, subject to minimization procedures.”

        https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/02/revisiting-a-famous-hospital-confrontation/35429/

  3. mike k
    May 23, 2017 at 12:20 pm

    As for Ms. Breitweiser et al, if you are seeking justice in the US courts, you are looking in the wrong place.

    • Tom Real
      May 23, 2017 at 7:03 pm

      Correct Mike K.
      Red Shield Inc, (Bauer) has their hand.

  4. elmerfudzie
    May 23, 2017 at 12:33 pm

    The dark analysis by Kristen Breitweiser neglects to outline historical events that are at the root of 911. This requires CONSORTIUMNEWS readers return to Egypt, at the end of the Nasser government and the birth of an entirely new brand of Muslim brotherhood. ASIDE: Gamal Naser, a great loss of inspired leadership, that which, the whole of Arabia would never recover from….. In the early 1950’s this “brotherhood”, supported by the UK and Washington, supported a Sufism that somehow evolved into a dangerous Sunni Wahhabism, bent on Islamic terror. Fast forward to today, this outgrowth, that began in Egypt, was in it’s entirety, something General Michael Flinn opposed and in so doing, opposed a long term strategy upheld by the Obama administration to foment a “Daesh” or in other words, maintain a terrorist strategy for the purposes of destabilizing and controlling middle east governments. 911 ensured the survival of Islamophobia, something that the House of Saud would never have wanted. It would be akin to Israel stirring up ancient world wide anti-antisemitism by nuking Mecca. We must look elsewhere, we need to ask the old question, Cui Bono? for who’s benefit?. The actual finger pointing for 911 culprits may be found by reviewing a thought provoking video, I reference here; ZERO, an investigation into 911 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gETF0_SOXcg

  5. F. G. Sanford
    May 23, 2017 at 12:34 pm

    While my sympathies are certainly with you, I suspect that you will have no success. Gerald Posner wrote “Case Closed”, the intelligence agency approved…and thoroughly discredited…trope claiming that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone JFK assassin. A number of sources infer that he is an intelligence agency mouthpiece, and a few claim that he is actually an active CIA asset. If those allegations are true, you are acting on the version of the story they want you to pursue, not the one that will lead to any resolution. If Posner’s revelations could be taken seriously, doesn’t anyone think some progress would have been made by now? I’m waiting for another Abottabad-style raid when they claim they’ve killed Al Zawahiri. The most blatant lie in this account is the “sodium pentothal” story. Hollywood made it famous as “truth serum”. It’s simply a barbiturate which causes sedation. If “pain killers” are administered concomitantly, they enhance sedation and can produce profound CNS depression. Sodium pentothal produces sedation and disinhibition, much like alcohol. “Drunk talk” may be expected, but not guaranteed. In order to get it to work as a “truth serum”, it has to be administered with amphetamine drugs like benzedrine, dexedrine or methamphetamine – a very unpredictable and time consuming titration process which exploits the disinhibition by countering the sedation with the amphetamine drug. The “subject” may become quite irrational. This method of interrogation has NEVER proven reliable. To my knowledge, it was abandoned about the time the intelligence agencies began experimenting with LSD…in the 1960’s. You can read about that in David Talbot’s book, “The Devil’s Chessboard”. I believe the project was called “MK-ULTRA”. But a story like this one is what I would expect from an author like Posner.

    • Joe Tedesky
      May 23, 2017 at 4:24 pm

      Above I responded by advising Kristen Breitweiser to go on the American talk show circuit. because I feel that if Mrs Breitweiser were to get her story out there that the American public would rally to her side. I mean who wouldn’t support a 911 widow? Also, if her story were to catch on as a hot item to report on, then if our MSM were to give even a tenth of the coverage they have given the Trump Russia-Gate distraction story, then maybe we as a nation could go knees deep into talking about 911.

      Although, this 911 resurrection you well know would be hopelessly hard to make it return due to the fact that the very people we would need to do such investigative reporting, are the very same group of rats who have been involved in the 911 cover up from the get go. It’s truly disheartening that the official 911 narrative is what it is, and any intelligent questioned inquiry is treated as a tin foiled hat conspiracy waste of time. Somebody ought to listen to us curious to what happened on 911 grandpa’s, because we might know what we are talking about…okay I’m now officially an old man, so be it, but the 911 story needs publicity, and lots of sunlight if there is ever to be any satisfactory closure to this crime.

    • JWalters
      May 23, 2017 at 7:33 pm

      F. G. Sanford,
      I independently reached the same conclusion about Posner on JFK, that his book Case Closed was a later phase of the cover-up. It was clearly NOT an attempt at a full and honest appraisal of the evidence because he treated key parts of the evidence shallowly and dismissively, or not at all. And all the evidence he downplayed and omitted ran counter to the official story – not a coincidence.

    • Cal
      May 24, 2017 at 1:26 am

      The last ‘investigator’ I would give any creditability is many times disgraced Gerald Posner…..and his plagiarism in several of his books that finally got him fired didn’t help him either.

      He’s one of those with his own personal reasons for his ‘conclusions’ and who he goes after in his ‘journalism’. Check out what entities and groups he choses to do hit pieces on.

      I suggest people always do a back ground and relations and personal issues search on authors before they take whatever they are selling seriously. I rarely read even an article without doing a background on the author to see if he/she might have ‘personal’ reasons for whatever they are saying or reporting.

      People have caught onto msm propaganda…….but the also need to realize that “books’ also push propaganda….look to see also ‘who’ is recommending these books.

      • backwardsevolution
        May 24, 2017 at 5:25 pm

        Cal – “I rarely read even an article without doing a background on the author.” Me too. It’s the first thing I do. If it’s a book, I’ll look at the author, then maybe read the Amazon page (reader’s comments, good and bad) re the book. If you don’t know where the author is coming from, whether they’ve got a motive or not, you can get fooled. In Posner’s case, I looked at his other books and concluded a big fat NO.

    • May 24, 2017 at 2:11 pm

      Having chaired or co-chaired five national conferences on JFK (Minneapolis 1999; Dallas 2000; Dallas 2001; Duluth 2004; and Santa Barbara 2013) and having published three volumes of studies by experts on various aspects of the case (ASSASSINATION SCIENCE 1998; MURDER IN DEAELY PLAZA 2000; THE GREAT ZAPRUDER FILM HOAX 2003), with a fourth appearing this week (JFK: WHO, HOW AND WHY 2017) from moonrockbooks.com, it is embarrassing that anyone still takes Posner seriously.

      For those who might benefit from being brought up-to-date on the most recent research on JFK–some of which is simply stunning!–check out the 100th JFK Birthday Conference, to be LIVE STREAMED on 29 May 2017 (Memorial Day). For the details, see jfkbirthday.com. You can watch from the comfort of your own home and, when you purchase a ticket, you will have access to the entire program for the next six months, so you can go back and review parts that interest you again and again and again. Check it out!

      • elmerfudzie
        May 26, 2017 at 8:01 pm

        Keep kick’en Jim, your the best!

  6. F. G. Sanford
    May 23, 2017 at 12:57 pm

    I submitted a comment explaining why the Posner story is bogus based on well established pharmacological principles. It is awaiting moderation. It is worth reading and understanding, so I hope it survives the “chop”. Cheers!

    • Bob Van Noy
      May 23, 2017 at 1:32 pm

      I’m looking forward to your response F.G., with respect to my JFK research, Gerald Posner is an unreliable source according to Gaeton Fonzi, a highly reliable source. Thanks…

      http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKposner.htm

  7. Sceptic
    May 23, 2017 at 1:26 pm

    Generally, to find something, one has to first look for it.

  8. Martin - Swedish citizen
    May 23, 2017 at 4:25 pm

    A detail: Freedom House is closely related to the neocons; their freedom index is heavily determined by their strategic agenda. Russia, eg, is in the same range as North Korea, in their view. In the present comparison, it would seem that Iran is far freer compared with Saudi than the 17:10 ratio would imply. There are other freedom Indices used in academia that are said to be much more objective, and intended to be that.

    Of course, I sympathise with the writer. If true, what causes the Saudi behaviour?

    • SortingHat
      May 24, 2017 at 3:01 am

      Except a certain half black President had EIGHT YEARS to open the records up or demand investigation but instead he went to every Islamic nation and bowed deep to them kissing the hands of the leaders and APOLOGIZING for somethings America didn’t do or that Clinton did. Clinton blew up a medicine factory that makes headache pills .https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/10/bill-clinton-al-shifa-sudan-bombing-khartoum/

      Before fourteen cruise missiles turned it into a heap of twisted steel and medical detritus, the Al Shifa factory in Khartoum was the largest manufacturer of medicines in all of Sudan, producing over half of the country’s pharmaceutical products and specializing in anti-malaria drugs. But on August 20, 1998, the plant was “pulverized,” reduced to nothing but “broken concrete and iron bars,” leaving “thousands of brown bottles of veterinary and other medicines” littered across the sand. Fourteen years later, its wreckage remained, a shrine to an incident that locals still refer to as a terrorist attack.

  9. The Underfundedmentalist
    May 23, 2017 at 11:15 pm

    Many 911 victims have pursued justice in the courts.
    Unfortunately, many of these cases have ended up with the most procrastinating federal judge in the country,
    US District Judge George Daniels

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/september-11-attacks/11900724/US-judge-dismisses-911-victims-case-against-Saudi-Arabia.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/06/nyregion/judges-decisions-are-conspicuously-late.html?_r=0
    This is from 2004, Judge Daniels, apparently, still has too much on his plate.

    ‘Judge Michael B. Mukasey, chief judge of the Federal District Court, who has received repeated complaints about the delays, said that he thought Judge Daniels had been tackling his backlog, and that the year-old statistics did not offer the clearest picture.’

    “Judge Daniels and I have spoken about this,” he said, “and I have every reason to believe that to the extent that it’s a problem, which is less than the raw numbers appear to indicate, it’s being addressed by him and his staff.”

    “As an institutional matter,” Judge Mukasey added, “obviously inordinate delay is always a concern.”
    (why am I not surprised to see Mukasey’s name pop up)

    “..First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. And then they attack you and want to burn you. And then they build monuments to you…”
    Nicholas Klein 1914

    Keep up the pressure Mrs. Breitweiser!

    • Martin - Swedish citizen
      May 25, 2017 at 4:32 am

      I sympathise with the author and of course her pursuit of justice is worthwhile and important. The obvious question seems obscured, however: “Why do terrorist attacks occur at all?” And isn’t the answer plain: mainly because of the despair of people in the face of US, Israeli and Western conduct.
      Isn’t the hypocritical delving of Western msm and politicians in the tragic fates of victims of terror attacks disgusting?

  10. SortingHat
    May 24, 2017 at 2:58 am

    I hope you f-ed up Americas enjoy what you reap when we have the terrorists come a knocking at our door and instead of stupid false flag gun right scares it will be the blow you up or fire bomb your house scares.

    Hillary wasn’t really that great for the bad things she did but at least she would’ve brought out the records if for no other reason then other people around her pressuring her.

    She (Hillary) is the type to not want to look bad in media at all costs so if enough around her made her feel threatened for covering up evidence or being too friendly with the Saudis she would have no choice but to back down unless she wants to risk a massive uprising against her.

    In a way Hillary might have been the kick in the ass Americans needed as it would keep them vigilant and on guard in case she did anything funny. (Which actually isn’t funny)

  11. Max
    May 24, 2017 at 5:26 am

    “It’s interesting, really, to consider the relationship between government and military technology. The powerful, authoritarian governments have always arisen in such times as the evolution of warfare made a successful fighting machine something elaborate, expensive, and maintainable by professionals only. Like in the Roman Empire. It took years to train a legionnaire and a lot of money to equip an army and keep it in the field. So Rome became autarchic. However, it was not so expensive a proposition that a rebellious general couldn’t put some troops up for a while—or he could pay them with plunder. So you did get civil wars. Later, when the Empire had broken up and warfare relied largely on the individual barbarian who brought his own weapons with him, government loosened. It had to—any ruler who got to throwing his weight around too much would have insurrection on his hands. Then as war again became an art—well, you see how it goes. There are other factors, of course, like religion—ideology in general. But by and large, it’s worked out the way I explained it. Because there are always people willing to fight when government encroaches on what they consider their liberties, and governments are always going to try to encroach. So the balance struck depends on comparative strength. The American colonists back in 1776 relied on citizen levies and weapons were so cheap and simple that almost anyone could obtain them. Therefore government stayed loose for a long time. But nowadays, who except a government can make atomic bombs and space rockets? So we get absolute states.” Security

    With cyber, war is an art again. An absolute state is an absolute mess. Only god can make a message out of a mess, so expect a growing mess. True wealth can only increase as Fuller said, so the fake financial crisis was a looting of the public treasury.

  12. tony
    May 24, 2017 at 6:08 pm

    Investigate the dancing Israelis (mossad)…

  13. Louie Lepke
    May 25, 2017 at 10:20 am

    Saudis were reportedly opposed to the United States going into Iraq to remove Saddam in 1991. What made them change their mind in 2002? The removal of a Sunni government was clearly not in their interest.

    • Dr. Ibrahim Soudy
      May 26, 2017 at 1:00 pm

      The Saudi Royal Family assumed that America will remove the very aggressive and out of control Saddam and replace him with a moderate Sunni Puppet…….They thought that American Foreign Policy makers have brains!! The Israelis had other plans and of course were happy to use everyone like a useful idiot. The Israelis planned to foment an all out sectarian/ethnic inter-Islam war……………No harm, they thought, to use the stupid Americans, Stupid British, Stupid, Saudis, and stupid anyone to achieve their goals…………Read this please http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

  14. mark
    May 28, 2017 at 12:26 pm

    test

  15. mark
    May 28, 2017 at 12:35 pm

    The Saudis, and to a lesser extent the Pakistanis, played a minor part in 9/11, rather like Lee Harvey Oswald in the JFK killing. The prime movers were a significant number of actors within the US Deep State, mostly figures like Chertoff with dual Israeli citizenship, with a large contingent of over 200 Israeli operatives carrying out most of the work. This is now established fact, not fringe conspiracy theory. If the Saudi monkeys were ever held to account for their actions (this is never going to happen), they would blow the whistle on the US/ Israeli organ grinders.

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