While unproven claims of Russian meddling in U.S. politics have whipped Official Washington into a frenzy, much less attention has been paid to real evidence of Israeli interference in U.S. politics, as Dennis J Bernstein describes.
By Dennis J Bernstein
In investigating Russia’s alleged meddling in U.S. politics, special prosecutor Robert Mueller uncovered evidence that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu pressured the Trump transition team to undermine President Obama’s plans to permit the United Nations to censure Israel over its illegal settlement building on the Palestinian West Bank, a discovery referenced in the plea deal with President Trump’s first National Security Adviser Michael Flynn.
President Donald J. Trump and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel at the United Nations General Assembly (Official White House Photo by Shealah Craighead)
At Netanyahu’s behest, Flynn and President Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner reportedly took the lead in the lobbying to derail the U.N. resolution, which Flynn discussed in a phone call with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak (in which the Russian diplomat rebuffed Flynn’s appeal to block the resolution).
I spoke on Dec, 18 with independent journalist and blogger Richard Silverstein, who writes on national security and other issues for a number of blogs at Tikun Olam.
Dennis Bernstein: A part of Michael Flynn’s plea had to do with some actions he took before coming to power regarding Israel and the United Nations. Please explain.
Richard Silverstein: The Obama administration was negotiating in the [UN] Security Council just before he left office about a resolution that would condemn Israeli settlements. Obviously, the Israeli government did not want this resolution to be passed. Instead of going directly to the Obama administration, with which they had terrible relations, they went to Trump instead. They approached Michael Flynn and Jared Kushner became involved in this. While they were in the transition and before having any official capacity, they negotiated with various members of the Security Council to try to quash the settlement resolution.
One of the issues here which is little known is the Logan Act, which was passed at the foundation of our republic and was designed to prevent private citizens from usurping the foreign policy prerogatives of the executive. It criminalized any private citizen who attempted to negotiate with an enemy country over any foreign policy issue.
In this case, what Flynn and Kushner were doing was going directly against US foreign policy, because Obama wanted the resolution to pass; He just didn’t want to vote for it because that would cross the Israel lobby in the United States. The US finally ended up abstaining on the resolution and it passed 14-0.
But before that happened, Flynn went to the Russians and to Egypt, both members of the Security Council, and tried to get the resolution delayed. But all of Israel’s machinations to derail this resolution failed and that is what Mueller was investigating, the intervention and disruption of American foreign policy by private citizens who had no official role.
This speaks to the power of the Israel lobby and of Israel itself to disrupt our foreign policy. Very few people have ever been charged with committing an illegal act by advocating on behalf of Israel. That is one of the reasons why this is such an important development. Until now, the lobby has really ruled supreme on the issue of Israel and Palestine in US foreign policy. Now it is possible that a private citizen will actually be made to pay a price for that.
This is an important development because the lobby till now has run roughshod over our foreign policy in this area and this may act as a restraining order against blatant disruption of US foreign policy by people like this.
Bernstein: So this information is a part of Michael Flynn’s plea. Anyone studying this would learn something about Michael Flynn and it would be part of the prosecution’s investigation.
Silverstein: That’s absolutely right. One thing to note here is that it is reporters who have raised the issue of the Logan Act, not Mueller or Flynn’s people or anyone in the Trump administration. But I do think that Logan is a very important part of this plea deal, even if it is not mentioned explicitly.
Bernstein: If the special prosecutor had smoking-gun information that the Trump administration colluded with Russia, in the way they colluded with Israel before coming to power, this would be a huge revelation. But it is definitely collusion when it comes to Israel.
Silverstein: Absolutely. If this were Russia, it would be on the front page of every major newspaper in the United States and the leading story on the TV news. Because this is Israel and because we have a conflicted relationship with the Israel lobby and they have so much influence on US policy concerning Israel, it has managed to stay on the back burner. Only two or three media outlets besides mine have raised this issue of Logan and collusion. Kushner and Flynn may be the first American citizens charged under the Logan Act for interfering on behalf of Israel in our foreign policy. This is a huge issue and it has hardly been raised at all.
Bernstein: As you know, Rachel Maddow of MSNBC has made a career out of investigating the Russia-gate charges. She says that she has read all this material carefully, so she must have read about Flynn and Israel, but I haven’t heard her on this issue at all.
Silverstein: Even progressive journalists, who you’d think would be going after this with a vengeance, are frightened off by the fact the lobby really bites back. So, aside from outlets like the Intercept and the Electronic Intifada, there is a lot of hesitation about going after the Israel lobby. People are afraid because they know that there is a high price to be paid. It goes from being purely journalism to being a personal and political vendetta when they get you in their sights. In fact, one of the reasons I feel my blog is so important is that what I do is challenge Israeli policy and Israeli intervention in places where it doesn’t belong.
Bernstein: Jared Kushner is the point man for the Trump administration on Israel. He has talked about having a “vision for peace.” Do you think it is a problem that this is someone with a long, close relationship with the prime minister of Israel and, in fact, runs a foundation that invests in the building of illegal Israeli settlements? Might this be problematic?
President Trump speaking at a Cabinet meeting on Nov. 1, 2017, with Secretary of State Rex Tillerson to Trump’s right and son-in-law Jared Kushner seated in the background. (Screen shot from whitehouse.gov)
Silverstein: It is quite nefarious, actually. When Jared Kushner was a teenager, Netanyahu used to stay at the Kushner family home when he visited the United States. This relationship with one of the most extreme right political figures in Israel goes back decades. And it is not just Kushner himself, but all the administration personnel dealing with these so-called peace negotiations, including Jason Greenblatt and David Friedman, the ambassador. These are all orthodox Jews who tend to have very nationalist views when it comes to Israel. They all support settlements financially through foundations. These are not honest brokers.
We could talk at length about the history of US personnel who have been negotiators for Middle East peace. All of them have been favorable to Israel and answerable to the Israel lobby, including Dennis Ross and Makovsky, who served in the last administration. These people are dyed-in-the-wool ultra-nationalist supporters of [Israeli] settlements. They have no business playing any role in negotiating a peace deal.
My prediction all along has been that these peace negotiations will come to naught, even though they seem to have bought the cooperation of Saudi Arabia, which is something new in the process. The Palestinians can never accept a deal that has been negotiated by Kushner and company because it will be far too favorable to Israel and it will totally neglect the interests of the Palestinians.
Bernstein: It has been revealed that Kushner supports the building of settlements in the West Bank. Most people don’t understand the politics of what is going on there, but it appears to be part of an ethnic cleansing.
Silverstein: The settlements have always been a violation of international law, ever since Israel conquered the West Bank in 1967. The Geneva Conventions direct an occupying power to withdraw from territory that was not its own. In 1967 Israel invaded Arab states and conquered the West Bank and Gaza but this has never been recognized or accepted by any nation until now.
The fact that Kushner and his family are intimately involved in supporting settlements–as are David Friedman and Jason Greenblatt–is completely outrageous. No member of any previous US administration would have been allowed to participate with these kinds of financial investments in support of settlements. Of course, Trump doesn’t understand the concept of conflict of interest because he is heavily involved in such conflicts himself. But no party in the Middle East except Israel is going to consider the US an honest broker and acceptable as a mediator.
When they announce this deal next January, no one in the Arab World is going to accept it, with the possible exception of Saudi Arabia because they have other fish to fry in terms of Iran. The next three years are going to be interesting, supposing Trump lasts out his term. My prediction is that the peace plan will fail and that it will lead to greater violence in the Middle East. It will not simply lead to a vacuum, it will lead to a deterioration in conditions there.
Bernstein: The Trump transition team was actually approached directly by the Israeli government to try to intercede at the United Nations.
Silverstein: I’m assuming it was Netanyahu who went directly to Kushner and Trump. Now, we haven’t yet found out that Trump directly knew about this but it is very hard to believe that Trump didn’t endorse this. Now that we know that Mueller has access to all of the emails of the transition team, there is little doubt that they have been able to find their smoking gun. Flynn’s plea meant that they basically had him dead to rights. It remains to be seen what will happen with Kushner but I would think that this would play some role in either the prosecution of Kushner or some plea deal.
Bernstein: The other big story, of course, is the decision by the Trump administration to move the US embassy from Tel-Aviv to Jerusalem. Was there any pre-election collusion in that regard and what are the implications?
Silverstein: Well, it’s a terrible decision which goes against forty to fifty years of US foreign policy. It also breaches all international understanding. All of our allies in the European Union and elsewhere are aghast at this development. There is now a campaign in the United Nations Security Council to pass a resolution condemning the announcement, which we will veto, but the next step will be to go to the General Assembly, where such a resolution will pass easily.
The question is how much anger, violence and disruption this is going to cause around the world, especially in the Arab and Muslim world. This is a slow-burning fuse. It is not going to explode right now. The issue of Jerusalem is so vital that this is not something that is simply going to go away. This is going to be a festering sore in the Muslim world and among Palestinians. We have already seen attacks on Israeli soldiers and citizens and there will be many more.
As to collusion in all of this, since Trump always said during the campaign that this was what he was going to do, it might be difficult to treat this in the same way as the UN resolution. The UN resolution was never on anybody’s radar and nobody knew the role that Trump was playing behind the scenes with that–as opposed to Trump saying right from the get-go that Jerusalem was going to be recognized as the capital of Jerusalem.
By doing that, they have completely abrogated any Palestinian interest in Jerusalem. This is a catastrophic decision that really excludes the United States from being an honest broker here and shows our true colors in terms of how pro-Israel we are.
Dennis J Bernstein is a host of “Flashpoints” on the Pacifica radio network and the author of Special Ed: Voices from a Hidden Classroom. You can access the audio archives at www.flashpoints.net.
Shmuley Boteach’s unhinged attack on Lorde will only help the movement to boycott Israel
The link has a better image of the advertisement in the wretched Washington Post. It also has a photograph of two characters for which I’m going to follow the “Smokey and the Bandit” precedent in labeling Big and Little Jackass.
I hadn’t known or even cared much about Steve Bannon before now. To me he was just another generic Trumpie. Not anymore. The man is a wealthy jerk with an ugly agenda.
http://mondoweiss.net/2018/01/boteachs-unhinged-movement/
For the purpose of this post I’m creating an imaginary US politician – somebody I’ll call IUSP.
At the link you can see who “IUSP” was in the actual quote. And how I’ve switched a couple of other names.
http://isp.netscape.com/news/story/0002/20180101/M1L8N1OW0EV_8710638
The sheer gall of that ugly ***** is stunning.
And I believe it’s a FACT there is nobody in the US political arena to whom I could assign the role of IUSP. The **** ******** owns them all, lock, stock, and barrel.
An American Rabbi has accused the New Zealand singer Lorde of abetting genocide in Syria by performing in Russia.
h**ps://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jan/01/lorde-called-a-bigot-over-israel-stance-in-full-page-washington-post-ad
That’s right. Performing for Russia, a nation which saved Syria from the Head Choppers and Human Organ Eaters is bad. Naturally Jeff Bezos’ Washington Post was A-OK with publishing the advertisement.
https://www.facebook.com/RabbiShmuleyBoteach/photos/a.454258401088.235152.59215506088/10155320947831089/?type=3
Sorry about the Facebook link, but that’s the only graphic I could find of the ad.
The holy shithole is really pulling out all the stops these days.
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as Annie replied I didn’t even know that any one able to earn $8091 in four weeks on the
computer . why not check here…
Completely off-topic for a moment.
That term “gaslighting” was a brand new word to me, and I had to make an internet search to find what it meant.
True story – once upon a time I ran into a paperback book by Wilson Bryan Key titled Subliminal Seduction. This was utterly fascinating to me, and found myself with a new hobby. The reproductions of the advertisements in the cheap paperback were just awful, and I started trying to locate the originals. That eventually expanded to trying to find my own examples of print ads with outrageous features. Eventually I compiled quite a stack of the ads I’d removed from magazines before discarding them.
Professor Key was not only right, but the situation was even worse than he had described in his books and articles. That’s where things got interesting. When I proudly showed off my scrapbooks with their displays, I learned something about human nature I hadn’t known before. 99% of the people first tried to deny the existence of what I was showing them. But as the pages were turned and the displays became more vivid, their attitude changed to one of accusation. I was the one to blame! If I didn’t have such a dirty mind I wouldn’t have seen those images and themes, and wouldn’t be troubling them. Mind you, some of these were so awesome that NOBODY could deny what they were seeing.
In the end I made digital copies of the “best” ones, and they’re in a forgotten folder somewhere. My 100% success rate of forcing people to admit that the nation’s advertisers have been getting away with printing horribly obnoxious pornography for many decades made ME the guilty party. The viewers resolved their problem by forgetting everything they’d seen and by blaming the entire issue on me. That people are able to do such incredible mental gymnastics is the only really useful thing I learned from the experience. Well, that and the rejection of some of the professional “deniers”. For a while I valued the Skeptical Inquirer, and kept copies I’d find for reference. I’ve ditched them all on account of this:
https://www.csicop.org/si/show/subliminal_perception_facts_and_fallacies
Psychologists are for sale like everybody else, and they’ve sold out in at least two fields. Subliminals and Torture. The latter is quite unforgivable.
From Mondoweiss – a translation of a radio debate in Hebrew.
The only part I’m posting here is the blogger’s rather lengthy introduction. Even THAT has some eye-opening material.
The two noble defenders of no-witness off-camera …r a p e… in the dark of the night are part of the mainstream culture in Isreal. In other words, they are living in a world of their own making, and it’s an ugly world.
Do keep in mind that the Zionist Trolls here live in the exact same world. No Occupation! Our Land!!
Now for the actual “exchange” – if that’s what you call two rightwingnut Zionist men ganging up on a woman:
http://mondoweiss.net/2017/12/writing-incitement-littman/
First a word about the author, who I previously knew nothing about. He was born and raised in the Orthodox faction. An article about him remarked –
On down in the profile was this:
Ego size XXXL or not, that won me over. So on to the Counterpunch article by this person.
Parallel Worlds: Gaza and Israel
by Stanley L. Cohen
It’s impossible to summarize the degree to which the Israelis are striving to make Gaza uninhabitable. One point which I ought to have known, but didn’t, was the fact that Israel has used uranium munitions on Gaza. Cancer rates from that and the other Israel-administered poisons are soaring.
Open-air genocide by God’s Favorite People. They are cheered on by American Fundies who pretend to love those Favorite People until such time as The Rapture occurs and the Fundies plan to cheer another sort of slaughter.
Criminals and criminal enablers. What a mess.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/12/29/parallel-worlds-gaza-and-israel/
Only 95%? They’re going to have to hustle to match their control of the US Congress.
https://sputniknews.com/science/201712301060438026-dangers-of-facebook-censorship/
A little lesson about attitudes.
A Jew boycotting Israel? Must be a joke
Seems that a young and famous New Zealand singer was recently convinced to cancel a tour in Israel. The next rant is about the person supposedly responsible.
Notice how even God’s Favorite People are ranked. An “Israeli Jew” far outranks a sheep-shagger variety in a nowhere place like New Zealand. Mind you, this from an author who has described himself to be a “Liberal Jew”. So on this scale the Right Wing Settlers – the ones on the front lines of the thefts and murders – they must be the crème de la crème, the most highly esteemed of all of Yahweh’s Favorite People.
More from the “Liberal Jew” author:
Of course, when HIS side practices apartheid, theft, murder, starves and bombs Gaza with high explosives and white phosphorus, poisons wells, and spits on Christians; these are of course all in a good cause. Quite unlike the barbaric Muslims.
A high velocity bullet impacting the brain of a Paleo waving a flag while sitting in a wheel chair is the direct opposite of all the evil things mentioned in the quote.
What Israelis are telling each other when they are being cautious about the chit-chat getting reprinted.
Notice the preening on display here. The individuals making up the Most Moral Army In The World – of course they’re also heroes in every other way.
That spawn of Satan – Ahed Tamimi – looks like a real human being. The girl next door, or maybe even your kid. Awfully hard to demonize her. No wonder the Zionists are frothing at the mouth. But Yahweh works in many ways, and after this young woman has been given the Guantanamo Treatment, things will change. Starving and freezing and drugs and sleep deprivation can work wonders – it’ll be another miracle.
Why Is the State of Israel So Afraid of 16-Year-Old Ahed Tamimi?
The Zionist Trolls are going to return. When they do, you’re going to often see their theme of “why don’t they just behave”. The subhuman squatters on the Stolen Land should give up. Go somewhere else. They ought to reward the people who are stealing their land and water and slaughtering them at every turn. Disappearing would fix that – says the Zionist Trolls. Obviously the Paleos are the entire problem, and the noble and pure Thieves and Murderers are really vexed how to beat reason into their small brains. Of course, bullets into those small brains are another option for the Good Zionists who God loves most of all the peoples on the Earth.
https://www.alternet.org/local-peace-economy/where-metoo-movement-ahed-tamimi
Unlimited money and unrestricted control over damned near everything = Act Of God.
Watching out for your favorite thieves and murderers is a Godly Duty, or so it seems.
https://972mag.com/israel-arrests-three-leading-nonviolent-palestinian-activists/132003/
http://mondoweiss.net/2017/12/tamimi-slapped-talking/
How Ahed Tamimi was slapped first, and why no one is talking about it
I’m so disgusted by all this that I didn’t even try to examine the videos. Given my own experiences, this is the part of the link I want to emphasize.
The propaganda armies for the Holy Shithole of Israel lie. But unlike the Creationists, who have merely millions of dollars of funding, or the Global Warming Deniers who have only hundreds of millions from the likes of Exxon, the Trolls For Israel have unlimited funding. Their lies are going to be amplified by the Corporate Media, and especially the likes of Jeff Bezos’ Washington Post and the Neocon York Times.
I now notice how Google makes many topics about Israel very, very difficult to research. I’m going to be staggered with all the carefully prepared propaganda themes – screens and screens of them. It’s getting so I have to use other search engines to find out the exact search terms required before having any success whatever. With those I can usually still find what I was looking for. But how much longer before Google simply removes those results from the search? How much longer before I get on a no-fly list (or worse) for even having the gall to search for the carefully hidden dirt on God’s Favorite Thieves and Murderers?
Update. The Heroic IDF is going to prosecute, and the 16-year-old “will face assault charges in an Israeli military court, prosecutors said on Thursday.”
Just this once, I’m going to break my rule against linking to the despicable Neocon York Times. Take a look how they’ve “tamed down” the story into “he-said/she said”. The reader of this pablum doesn’t have a clue that what’s happening is the Israeli theft of the village’s water and the unending abuse of the the inhabitants who are resisting. Resisting the New Nazis just isn’t allowed!
h**ps://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2017/12/28/world/middleeast/28reuters-israel-palestinians-teen.html
Now for another view.
That the subhuman Paleos are resisting the thefts and casual killings is just infuriating to God’s Favorite Thieves and Murderers. They want blood, and that’s not a figure of speech.
h**p://mondoweiss.net/2017/12/israeli-protesting-looking/
A final quote from another site:
Beating up on the helpless Paleos has become a Rite Of Passage with the IDF. It reminds me of how the Imperial Japanese Army would “blood” recruits by forcing them to murder some helpless civilian on Formosa or mainland China. Presumably this is going to turn the IDF ******* (rhymes with “hussies”, starts with a “p”) into ravening tigers when they go north to smite Hezbollah. Assuming of course Trump can’t be conned into doing the job for them.
Israel is beginning to brag about total domination in the area, and with their 99% ownership of the US Congress and the consequent change of the US into a colony of the Zionists, they just don’t care what anybody thinks anymore. And it’s starting to show.
News Flash.
US won’t strike ISIS resurgent in Assad-ruled areas, pushes Russia to curb pro-Iranian Hizballah push near Israel
The mouthpiece is a Brit, and here he is at the VOA site:
It’s a terrible thing when the “US-backed coalition” has to watch ISIS being given a free ride by Assad and the evil Russians. All their “fighting” against ISIS was obviously merely a pretense – they’ve been secret supporters all the time! Therefore the US absolutely must stay in Syria until the head choppers and their Syrian supporters are truly defeated.
h**ps://www.voanews.com/a/islamic-state-fighters-fleeing-to-assad-controlled-parts-ofsyria/4181821.html
Look again at that link. It’s Voice Of America. We’re talking True Americans like Hillary Clinton. Victoria Nuland. Adam Schiff. And more recently, Donald Trump. People who hate ISIS and all it stands for. And of course they hate Assad and the Russians for helping the ISIS terrorists in such obvious ways.
The evil Russians are also permitting triply evil Iran in wiping out Freedom Fighters near Israel. As before, they’re allowing Assad to smite these Friends of Holy Israel with no regard for decency.
The mere presence of the filthy Iranians is enough to irritate the otherwise noble and decent Zionists. They rightfully see all of the best-watered parts of Syria as ultimately belonging to them, and they’re just not going to tolerate the presence of the towelheads from Iran who probably have blueprints of nuclear weapons hidden in their backpacks.
h**p://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Syria-Iranian-proxies-threaten-military-action-against-rebels-on-Israeli-border-520119
Israel likes to brag about having “the most moral army in the world”. They’re a regular bunch of ethical supermen!
The Zionist Trolls ought to be very proud of their IDF. A bullet into the brain of a Paleo guy sitting in a wheelchair is so VERY “ethical”. (I’m pretty sure the Christian Zionists don’t give a damn so long as events like this make The Rapture more likely)
h**ps://www.richardsilverstein.com/2017/12/19/idfs-no-good-terrible-bad-week/
and
Is it any wonder these vermin are so fond of what Trump is doing of late?
h**p://azvsas.blogspot.com/2017/12/torture-couldnt-happen-to-jewish-child.html
(new site to me – hope it isn’t a stealth Zionist or N A Z I place)
The blog of UK political activist Tony Greenstein
http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2017/11/israels-alliance-with-europes-neo-nazi.html
Israel-gate in the UK
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20171110-priti-patel-scandal-is-the-tip-of-the-israel-lobby-iceberg/
Israel is a victim, and the Palestinians are child abusers. Wonder why the Zionist Trolls here haven’t picked up on that theme?
Is that a rhetorical question Zach?
Follow-up on the case of the Palestinian girl in prison.
Israeli journalist who called for unspeakable acts against Ahed Tamimi tries, and fails, to backpedal
Let’s hear it from the Zionist trolls here who are constantly doing their peace-loving hand-wringing thing. Surely they have something “creative” to do to the uppity Palestinian girl. Or ought I say the subhuman illegal squatter on Holy Israel’s Stolen Land?
B a s t a r d s.
http://mondoweiss.net/2017/12/journalist-unspeakable-backpedal/
I say she gets released to her family with the rights and privlidges full citizenship in the single state (Israel) solution. Extend these rights to the occupied lands and have peace in one voting cycle. I know I know how Zionist troll scummy.
Comrade what’s-his-name remains allergic to fact-based analysis while insisting a “single state (Israel) solution” will miraculously bring “peace in one voting cycle”.
Turns out such a plan is advocated by certain “ambitious” right wing Israeli “ex-settler” politicians
http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/naftali-bennett-one-state-solution-peace-plan/
Just sayin’.
Of course, the devil remains in the details.
We’re not sure if what’s-his-name’s “rights and privlidges [sic] full citizenship” or the sort of discriminatory “autonomy” currently enjoyed by Muslim Israelis would apply in such a “real estate deal”.
For more fact-based analysis of this question, see the insufferable “data dump” below.
I never insisted anything Abe. Stop transferring please.
Keep it up Abe… your winning.
If Palestinians and other minorities were granted the rights and privlidges FULL citizenship in the single state of Isreal would provide them. Demographics alone would bring an end to the Zionist regime within one voting cycle.
Please do carry on with all your nonsense and fact based info while ignoring the simple fact above. Makes you look uber.
Keep up the good fight Abe.
No Hasberera troll is safe with you around….. run away run away……
Your winning.
“Extend these rights to the occupied lands and have peace in one voting cycle.”
insist (verb) – maintain or put forward a statement positively and assertively
Allergic to facts “Hasberera [sic]” troll “Tannenhouser” continues to insist: “If Palestinians and other minorities were granted the rights and privlidges [sic] FULL citizenship in the single state of Isreal [sic] would provide them. Demographics alone would bring an end to the Zionist regime within one voting cycle.”
However, Israel intends to alter the demographics with its tried and true method: population transfers, aka ethnic cleansing, during wartime.
Were not sure what “”never insisted anything” troll “Tannenberg” means by a “voting cycle”.
Under normal circumstances, Israel’s basic law requires national elections for the Knesset to take place four years following the previous elections. However, it is possible, and it often happens, that early elections can take place prior to the date set in the basic law.
That’s still roughly four years, time enough to launch a war with its Saudi BFF (backed by the US, of course) and implement population transfers in the interests of Israel’s “security” and “peace”.
Comrade “Tanneberg” and the rest of team Hasbara keep tilting at “the simple fact” that Israel is a Jewish supremacist ethnocracy – most decidedly not a democracy – that grants non-Jewish citizens strictly limited rights and privileges.
The Israeli Jewish regime has little motivation to grant equal rights to non-Jews.
That is why the Israeli government and the pro-Israel Lobby are striving to oppose the global Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement.
Israel obviously imagines that “”Fortune is guiding our affairs better than we ourselves could have wished.”
However, the wheels are coming off Israel’s delusional Charlie Sheen-style “winning” strategy.
Public awareness of the Israel-gate reality behind all the Russia-gate fictions is increasing, with the Jerusalem gambit conveniently provided a temporary distraction.
Military assaults on Lebanon and Syria will provide an even bigger distraction.
Comrade “Tannenberg” will no doubt continue to blather and insist that he/she “never insisted anything”.
Maintain being the operative word.
Your constant cherry picking and twisting others words to fit your personal narrative is cute.
Very… how shall we say status quo protecting. Yes that’s what you do, you protect the status quo. You are almost like a gate keeper here. A zionist shephard you are. Keeping the conversation (attempting to any way’s) strictly on anti Israel/Zionist misdeeds while asphyxiating anything beyond these parameters. Ask about seemingly no Russian actions in calling the crimes out…. your a hasbera troll shut up. Suggest the Palestinians may have been handed a win in Jerusalem if they call the bluff. Shut up your a hasbera troll. Don’t use the correct term according to you, make a spelling error….. shut up you are a Zionist troll. Nothing outside YOUR opinion is allowed to be discussed or even questioned or you and able team swing into action and suppress it
To top it off you call others trolls. Pot meet kettle.
You don’t have facts by definition, all you have is your agenda and your beliefs, (some of which I share) positing them as truth’s and facts and then attacking others who question doesn’t make them factual.
Keep up the good fight.
Your winning.
Note how Hasbara troll “Tannenhouser” does not really ever ask, suggest or question.
The Hasbara troll merely insists.
When confronted with the facts, particularly the truth about Jewish Israeli discrimination against non-Jewish citizens of Israel, the Hasbara troll ignores the facts and merely insists more loudly.
Point out the obvious facts about Israel, and the Hasbara troll will loudly insist that its all “cherry picking”, “twisting others words to fit your personal narrative”, “status quo protecting”, “agenda”, “beliefs”, “garbage”, and “beating a dead horse”.
But facts are facts.
Hilarity ensues.
Diversionary talk about the “one-state solution” has been amplified in Hasbara propaganda efforts, particularly those aimed at “progressives”, in order to undermine support for the global Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement.
Hasbara propaganda rhetoric about a “one-state solution” consistently avoids the truth about Jewish Israeli discrimination against non-Jewish citizens of Israel. The seven decade history of Israeli apartheid leaves no “grey area” in the facts.
The global BDS movement advocates for and organizes boycotts of Israeli goods and companies, calls for institutions like banks and universities to exclude Israeli companies from their investments, and lobbies for the imposition of international sanctions.
A 2013 report by economists at Israeli Finance Ministry economists calculated that Israel’s economy could lose up to NIS 40 billion ($10.5 billion) per year if the country is subject to a full international boycott.
The six-page report warned damage from an international boycott could range from approximately half a billion shekels ($130 million) per year and up to 500 people losing their jobs, up to NIS 40 billion ($10.5 billion) and 36,500 firings, depending on the scope of the boycott and its rate of adoption around the world.
The report was made public in 2015 following an appeal by the Movement for Freedom of Information, an Israeli NGO. The Israeli Finance Ministry initially refused to release the report, citing its potential to cause strategic harm to the Israeli economy.
Under the “extreme scenario” of a full international boycott, the EU would effectively boycott all Israeli products and stop foreign investments in the country, similar to sanctions were imposed on Apartheid South Africa.
Hasbara propaganda efforts have intensified and pro-Israel Lobby activity has increased in attempts to oppose local BDS initiatives.
Exposure of Israel-gate could quickly escalate to far-reaching, official sanctions against Israel.
By the way, the reason why the Hasbara troll deliberately and repeatedly uses the mis-spelling “hasbera” is to reduce online search results that immediately reveal the extent of the “poster’s” Hasbara trolling behavior.
Your link invalidates itself as similar in any way to what I am advocating before the end of the first paragraph.
Care to cherry pick any more words and subscribe your own meanings way outside the context they are presented originally?
#feelfree
Go fish Abe.
Maybe you prefer tilting at Tannenhousers:)
If you only knew……
Keep up the good fight Abe.
Your winning.
What comrade “Tannenhouser” is “advocating” requires Israel to be a democracy. Israel is not a democracy. What “Tannenhouser” presented invalidates itself.
However, the “one-state solution” meme has recent been amplified in political discourse concerning Israel for reasons outlined below.
Hasbara troll army “posters” are abuzz about the Jerusalem gambit. Comrade “Tannenhouser” keeps curiously “advocating”. Anything and everything to distract attention as Israel-gate grinds forward and war plans are implemented.
According to the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics (May 2003), Muslims, including Bedouins, make up 82% of the entire non-Jewish population in Israel, along with around 9% Druze, and 9% Christians.
Many non-Jewish citizens feel that the Israeli state, as well as society at large, not only actively limits them to second-class citizenship, but treats them as enemies, affecting their perception of the de jure versus de facto quality of their citizenship.
The Future Vision of the Palestinian Arabs in Israel, a joint document by prominent Arab citizens of Israel, calls for the state of Israel to shed its Jewish identity and become “a state of all its citizens”.
https://www.adalah.org/uploads/oldfiles/newsletter/eng/dec06/tasawor-mostaqbali.pdf
The 2006 joint document states “Defining the Israeli State as a Jewish State and exploiting democracy in the service of its Jewishness excludes us, and creates tension between us and the nature and essence of the State.” The document explains that by definition the “Jewish State” concept is based on ethnically preferential treatment towards Jews enshrined in immigration (the Law of Return) and land policy (the Jewish National Fund), and calls for the establishment of minority rights protections enforced by an independent anti-discrimination commission.
Yousef Munayyer, an Israeli citizen and the executive director of The Jerusalem Fund, wrote that Palestinians only have varying degrees of limited rights in Israel. He states that although Palestinians make up about 20 percent of Israel’s population, less than 7 percent of the budget is allocated to Palestinian citizens. He describes the 1.5 million Arab citizens of Israel as second-class citizens while four million more are not citizens at all. He states that a Jew from any country can move to Israel but a Palestinian refugee, with a valid claim to property in Israel, cannot. Munayyer also described the difficulties he and his wife faced when visiting the country.
A 2016 survey of Israel’s non-Jewish citizens found that 76% reject its definition as a “Jewish state”.
Living in an Apartheid state established by war and ethnic cleansing, Israeli Jews have generally tended to view a one-state solution as a demographic threat that would overturn the prevailing Jewish majority within Israel.
Current support among Israeli Jews, and Jews generally, for a one-state solution is very low. However, as has been demonstrated repeatedly in the past, Jewish public opinion in Israel and abroad can shift dramatically in a context of a fabricated “threat to Israel”.
Several Israeli Jewish politicians, including former defense minister Moshe Arens, current President Reuven Rivlin, and right wing figures like Deputy Foreign Minister Tzipi Hotovely and Uri Ariel, have voiced support for a one-state solution that would require Israeli annexation of Palestinian territory, with differing views on how to dispose of the Palestinian Muslim population.
Right wing Israeli Jewish politicians and political commentators have advocated outright annexation of the West Bank, granting its Muslim Palestinian population Israeli citizenship while maintaining Israel’s current status as a Jewish state.
In 2013, Likud Knesset Minister Hotovely argued that Israel should annex the West Bank as a historic part of the Land of Israel.
Naftali Bennett, leader of the Jewish Home party, included in many Likud-led coalitions, has argued for official Israeli annexation of Zone C of the West Bank. Zone C, agreed upon as part of the Oslo Accords, comprises about 60% of West Bank land and is currently under Israeli military control.
In her book The Israeli Solution (2014), American-born Israeli propagandist Caroline Glick claims that Israel could annex the West Bank and still maintain a Jewish demographic majority. Glick is a Senior Fellow at the pro-Israel Center for Security Policy, a Washington, D.C. neocon think tank described by the Southern Poverty Law Center in 2016 as a hate group and “conspiracy-oriented mouthpiece” for the anti-Muslim movement. She also is a lecturer in tactical warfare at the IDF’s Command and Staff College, and a columnist for the Jerusalem Post.
Israeli Jewish demographers like Arnon Soffer and Sergio DellaPergola have presented figures that suggest Israel can secure a Jewish numerical majority population with annexation of the West Bank. However, according to DellaPergola, the high total fertility rate among Muslim Palestinians accompanied by a return of Palestinian refugees, would quickly render Jews a minority.
Israel has accelerated seizure of Palestinian homes and land. so what is the Israeli end game?
Retaining a Jewish majority in “Greater Israel” will require further ethnic cleansing of the occupied Palestinian territory under the guise of some new fabricated “threat to Israel”.
Media preparations for a manufactured “threat” are well underway.
On 3 December 2017, Jared Kushner was keynote speaker at the Saban Forum at the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C. Kushner had an entertaining li’l “real estate deal” chat with the Clinton-supporting Israeli-American media mogul Haim Saban,
Earlier that day, Benjamin Netanyahu had addressed the Brookings Institution audience in a video call. he insisted that the “only workable solution is not a unitary state, but a demilitarized Palestinian state that recognizes the Jewish state”.
Netanyahu unequivocally declared, “Israel will not be a binational state.”
On the surface, Netanyahu’s remarks appear to be an absolute rejection of a one-state resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
In fact, what Netanyahu rejects is any solution other than the current Apartheid regime of Israeli Jewish domination over its Muslim citizens.
A unilateral Israeli annexation of the entire West Bank would be enforced in the context of a fabricated “threat to Israel”.
The purported “threat” would likely be manufactured to accompany planned military attacks on Lebanon and Syria by Israeli-Saudi Axis forces coordinated with their Al Qaeda and ISIS terrorist proxies. Israeli annexation of the West Bank as a “security” would probably be endorsed by whatever pro-Israel puppet then occupied the White House.
Earlier the Zionist Troll “Bernia” was speaking of a non-existent “Palestinan State”. Well, it seems that the Israeli plans for such a thing are well advanced.
h**p://www.israelifrontline.com/2017/09/jordan-palestine-conference-2017-many-people-agree.html
Notice that 2017 date. This is an ongoing project! And it’s not a new one. Witness this piece from 2011:
Would an attack on Iran enable the Jordan-is-Palestine scheme?
I’ve always said the Israelis would need a crisis which was enormous and frightening to pull this stunt. Given the utterly immoral way they’ve handled things till now, I’d predict some kind of “terrorist attack” which killed several thousand of Israel’s underclass Jews. Something like the 9/11 event in the US. The sharpened bayonets would be fitted on the ends of the IDF rifles, and the death march to Jordan would begin. The so-called Israeli Arab “citizens” would be part of it too. The Holy Shithole would be PURE AND CLEAN! I doubt if good ‘ol “Bernia” was jumping the gun with his crap – it is probably just about TIME for this to happen.
Given the inherent gullibility and ignorance and arrogance of Trump, he might be an even better choice than Queen Hillary to pull this off.
h**p://www.arabamericannews.com/2011/12/17/Would-an-attack-on-Iran-enable-the-Jordan-is-Palestine-scheme/
That’s the headline at Counterpunch.
Curious indeed! The Jeff Bezos’ WP is gloating about this these days.
The timeline of the listed posts is another curiosity. “Alice” becomes active in Feb 25, 2016. It strikes me as odd that the Kremlin waited until then to decide “to undermine America’s democratic institutions.”
Another possibility seems to be worth considering. Hilary and her bunch KNEW she was going to be president. and what if this was a little bit of early preparation for shutting down internet opposition to the wars she planned to start. The extreme quickness of the Hillary Bunch in pointing at the Russians might conceivably be a result of them having that project already well started and as such it would have been something they could quickly grab and run with.
Ok, I’m paranoid. But what other reason would there be for the aimless thefts and cut/pastes of “Alice Donovan” except for a later show-and-tell proving that the internet must have more Spying and Control to protect our precious democratic institutions?
In a nutshell, I’m suggesting that somebody ought to consider the possibility that “Russia Gate” started a mite bit earlier than anybody thought. And maybe for a different reason than being currently advertised.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/12/25/go-ask-alice-the-curious-case-of-alice-donovan/
A sad post at Counterpunch.
The Grinches Who Stole Jerusalem
He has this to say about the Christian Zionists: “bible-thumping, hip-slapping, mike-grabbing, pulpit-banging, money-begging, ear-piercing, and emotionally-laden gibberish-uttering Hagee-ized clowns running amuck in the White House and Congress”.
I think that’s a fair description of the Senators and Congressmen who ought to know better. All too many of them believe this stuff themselves.
By the way, the post author is Christian. Not that any of the “christian” Zionists would give a hoot.
h**ps://www.counterpunch.org/2017/12/25/the-grinches-who-stole-jerusalem/
Anybody care to explain what this troll is babbling about?
I have yet to meet an Israeli Palestinian who wants to move to the Palestinian State. Why is that? Because the opportunities in Israel are much better in Israel, and the repression of the Palestinian regimes toward women and anything progressive makes life there hell. Islam is a very intolerant religion. They don’t tolerate even other Muslims who have somewhat different ideologies (Sunni, Shia, Druze, Yezidi…). The Druze in Israel find it preferable to anything the Palestinians have to offer for good reason.
Amidst all your very valuable information that not only creates what you know and the expertise of your comments bearing fruit for all, or rather most of your very valuable information that not only expresses what you know. The expertise of your knowledge may I suggest takes half the comment section and defeats the sage information of many posters who also have unique world experiences Abe.
The essential dogma, although interesting, suggest you have not climbed out of your BF Skinner Box Maze amidst all your very valuable information that not only creates which gives less credence to the expertise of your knowledge. May I suggest taking half the comment section defeats the sage information of many posters who have unique world experience Abe and coupled with your own comments distracts from the body of good articles. The essential dogma, although interesting, suggest you have not climbed out of your BF Skinner Box Maze in search of a piece of nourishment far away, or even in search of a piece any nourishment far away.
The essential dogma, although interesting, suggest you have not climbed out of your Maze in search of a piece of nourishment far away, or even within the chains that bind you.
Your category of “troll” may land some credence to your verbal diarrhea, but those of us who have said it before, it, thread becomes the Dept of Redundancy Dept so your message becomes diluted and common.
Let me add I don’t thing you’re wrong, just a Tolstoy-want to be in your ramblings. There is so much to qualify before one goes ad hominem on a poster .
I wish you well in the new year, and it’ worth it to be not to quote your drivel, no matter how informed you wordiness tries to present to the issue at hand I enjoy Tolstoy, but it has a place.
Keep on keeping on without the ad hominem is just my opinion. Don’t lose your passion for what is right, especially the criminal country trying to be a Jewish State. Bibi has so much blood on his hands he should, be ostracized as a politician and a human. But your salivation doesn’t have to drool at every Pavlovian ring.
This much I think we agree on.
Enjoy your turn into the gnu yar. We all deserve a break form the criminals running many countries.
In the interest of expediency: Names taken.
“verbal diarrhea” – “Curious” (December 25, 2017)
“verbal diarrhoea” – “Paranam Kid” (September 27, 28, 29, 30, 2017)
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/09/23/israels-stall-forever-peace-plan/
Hasbara troll doppelgängers start share their “passion” – loudly complaining about “redundancy”, “data dumps”, “La La Land”, and other mischigas – when fact-based analysis of Israeli government misdeeds or pro-Israel Lobby influence is presented.
Hasbara propaganda online has intensified with the revelation of Israel-gate and Israeli military threats against Lebanon, Syria and Iran.
Enjoy your turn, comrade “Curious”. But don’t expect a break if your “passion” turns curiously toxic.
Just sayin’.
Gulability test for our troll alert from Abe. I’m glad to see you are still in that BF Skinner box searching for some morsel to attack individuals. Change must be as difficult for you as getting out of the Maze. Not only are you becoming predictable redundant you are becoming increasingly banal in your reports.
I started posting long before your version of a troll became a pejoratively used expression on this site. Too bad your eyes and eyes are closed.
I am no more your troll than the JFK committed suicide. Please get off your soapbox and provide some needed knowledge for those who still seek this knowledge. Your version of a troll is a distraction, and usually, and especially in my case, wrong.
This troll biz was cleared up about a month ago, but as is your wanton attacks haven’t changed my suggestion is to listen and learn. It may even work for someone as ignorant as you, given time.
I know, “Hilary ensues” and all the rest of your tired and mundane troll fishing that is normally off base and just plain stupid.
Hilarity
Clearly “there is so much to qualify” before one goes Hasbara like comrade “Curious”.
Given the daily revelations of Israel-gate, the latest furtive Hasbara troll army directive must be: “play nice”.
But our ever-zealous Hasbara trolls – or “many posters who have unique world experiences” as “Curious” qualifies them – tend to take these propaganda directives a bit too literally.
According to Hasbara propaganda directives, words and catchphrases like “expertise”, “nourishment” and “your very valuable information” must sound “nice”.
(So “more is better” comrade “Curious” went out of his/her way to repeat them three times each in this charming li’l orgy of “wish you well” ramblings.)
Gotta admit, words like “nourishment” do sound a lot “nicer” than “dogma”, “drool”, “drivel” and “diarrhea”.
(Apparently there was an additional Hasbara directive to use a lot of “not nice” alliteration.)
Not sure how long this new “be nice” campaign will continue, but we’ll probably hear more catchphrases like “defeats the sage information of many posters who also have unique world experiences” (repeated 2 times) vomited up by the Hasbara troll army.
Congratulations, comrade “Curious”. Clearly you “qualify”.
Shakes head……..
Sad
Curious is right though.
Matters not what you believe, when your wrong. About me anyways.
Keep up the good fight Abe.
Inverted Hasbara doppelgänger ad hominem:
“Keep on keeping on” – “Curious”
“Keep up the good fight” – “Tannenhouser”
“Carry on” – “Paranam Kid”
Congratulations, comrades. Clearly you all “qualify”. Just sayin’.
‘Well now, aren’t we a thorn in your side to have an opinion other than your own. Shocking.
You clearly haven’t climbed out of your isolation cave to reflect and listen to other posters, and your examples seem to be of s a copy and paste variety, so this is why I indicate the verbiage is getting tired and a bit worn out. Your blasts of pasting defeats the sage information of many posters here on this site, and yours is a distraction to the body of good comments.
I think we mostly agree Israel is not only rogue and their desire is more Zionist land grabs, ala the Balfour letter to Mr Rothschild in 1917. I personally feel Israel has overshot their goals and their land grabs, and I do hope they are shut down, despite Halely “taking names” as if these diplomats are children because they don’t agree with the false evidence the US portrays. Israel needs to have the US do their fighting for them, so their propaganda is remarkable. I would be honorable for all the Christian fundamentalists to carry on the front lines, as this would be a task they have supported.
As you are still in your Skinner box bumping into walls in search of nourishment it is practically impossible to have a worthy discussion with you.
I am no more a troll than JFK committing suicide.
You are bound by the chains of your own dogma, and this is too bad because you occasionally post some interesting tidbits, if one can machete through your verse and inverse clauses.
You remind me of a character in Sartres’ Nausea who described hell as an area without mirrors. You must appear mighty to yourself as a reflection can’t lie, can it? In Satras’ hell there was a character who was so distraught by the lack of mirrors he went up close to a fellow ‘inmate’ and looked at his reflection within the iris of his fellows eyes. Not only is this a reference to how we need a mirror(some more than others) but the logical extension of such an act was the symbology of needing another person to lend credibility to ourselves. Naturally there are other interpretations, but I’ll let that stand for now. I submit to you that your trolll agenda is nothing more than a false positive, and since you don’t listen, you entertain yourself with mundane expressions to feel morally superior to others. Morally superior you are not. But keep peering in that looking glass of yours, since it must tell you you are the greatest of them all.
As Sartres’ character in the book you neeed to impose on others after seeing your reflection, thinking what you witnesses is the truth and the only truth. The sad part of your posts is you can’t get out of that erosion of hell, or purgatory if you wish. Your reflection and your ‘truth’ is nothing more than the bounce of light off of another retina and it is enough to allow you to grandstand and feel empowered by a simple iris of the eye. As a result, so any posters are trolls to you since you can’t seem to create the fortitude to see your reflection in multiple eyes, and not just one, nor even your own for that matter. I’m also not sure you even know what a “troll” is these days.
Don’t worry, I won’t say anything congratulatory since you will reverse the meaning in your twisted brain, with ever reducing synapses.
I’m sure all posters are trolls because they have an opinion. What a struggle it must be for you to work it all out in whatever serves as your form of reality.
Cute and cuddly li’l comrade “Curious” repeats the “BF Skinner box” catchphrase a third time.
It’s just a fact.
Not “an opinion”, not what I “personally feel”, not one of those “other interpretations”, not some occult “sage information” from heroic “others who question”.
Just a fact: you know, one of those icky “mundane” thingies.
But facts make the allergies of “Curious” and “Tannenhouser” act up like the dickens, and we can’t have that.
The New York Times tries to make the Ahed Tamimi story go away
The neocon NYT is still batting for Israel.
h**p://mondoweiss.net/2017/12/times-tries-tamimi/
More about the young lady.
Israel has transferred Ahed Tamimi to three different detention facilities in the last five days even though she has not yet been charged with a crime
The Zionist swine are doing their best to break her. Freezing cell, substandard food, a camera trained on her very second. Where are the hand-wringing peace-loving trolls on stories like this? They disappear. At their core I think American Jews are OK with this stuff. Those who aren’t are probably intimidated, and I’ll grant they have plenty of reasons to be fearful. The Zionists don’t care who they hurt in their unending crusade of theft and murder, so destroying the lives of a few “self-hating” Americans wouldn’t bother them a bit.
h**p://mondoweiss.net/2017/12/transferred-detention-facilities/
Note that the noisy Pink Pussies are mute like fish.
Ready or not here I come. Remember the childhood game of hide and seek. A game that sometimes needs a clue to keep those seekers on track. Well, here’s a clue. For $100000 and the daily double, where is the financial hub for the entire world? My chosen own this financial hub and with this ownership control the outcome of everything.
Just for the record, Richard Silverstein blocked me on Twitter because I pointed out that he slammed someone who was suggesting that the Assad government was fighting for its (Syria’s) life by fighting terrorists. Actually, more specifically, because of that he read my “Free Palestine” bio on Twitter and called me a Hamas supporter (no Hamas mentioned) and a “moron” for some seeming contradiction.
I also have to point out that he “fist pumped” Hillary Clinton at Mohammed Ali’s eulogy. If he’s as astute as he purports to be, he has to know that Hillary would have invaded Syria and killed a few hundred thousand more Syrians for the simple act of defiantly preserving their country. By almost any read of Ali’s history, he would have been adamantly (“killing brown people”) against that. But there was Silverstein using the platform to promote, arguably, perpetual war.
Silverstein is probably not a good (ie. consistent) arbiter of Israeli impact on US politics. Just sayin’.
I wish it were otherwise.
https://www.therussophile.org/virus-found-inside-dnc-server-is-linked-to-a-company-based-in-pakistan.html/
This may be a tad ot but it relates to the alleged hacking of the DNC, the role debbie wasserman schultz plays in the spy ring (awan bros) in house of rep servers: I have long suspected that mossad has their fingers in this entire mess. FWIW
Good site, BTW.
I will check it. Thanks for sharing. I have followed George Webb and Jason Goodman and Crowd Source the Truth, but not so much lately. They do tend to never discuss Israel or Zionist connections in all of that.
Interesting how the Awan court date was cleared from the January calendar with no explanation:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-28/did-awans-cut-deal-january-court-date-mysteriously-disappears-docket
Would appreciate seeing CN journalists investigate a little deeper into this one!
I can’t recall why I removed the Tikun Olam site from my bookmarks – it happened quite a while back. Generally I do that when I feel the blogger crossed some kind of personal red line. Something Mr. Silverstein wrote put him over that line with me.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/06/us/06leak.html?hp
In the course of a search I found that at the neocon NYT. Mr. Silverstein claims several things I find unbelievable, and from that alone I wonder about his ultimate motives. I may be excessively touchy about this, but that’s how it is.
Yeah Zachary, “wondering about ultimate motives” is probably a good way to put it/his views. He’s obviously conflicted, if not deferential in some aspects of Israeli policy. He really was a hero of mine, but now I just don’t get whether what he says is masking something or a true belief. He says some good stuff, but, but, but….
Yeah I found a couple of Silverstein’s statements to be closer to neocon propaganda than reality:
“Because this is Israel and because we have a conflicted relationship with the Israel lobby . . .”
“Instead of going directly to the Obama administration, with which they had terrible relations, they went to Trump instead.”
My impression was that the whole “terrible relationship between Obama and Netanyahu” was manufactured by the Israel lobby to bully Obama.
However these are small blips within an otherwise solid critique of the Israel lobby’s influence.
FFS, Netanyahu aired a political commercial in Florida for Romney saying vote for this guy (against Obama)! I mean, it doesn’t get any more overtly manipulative than that. Period. End of story.
$50K of Facebook ads about puppies pales in comparison to that blatant, prima facia, public manipulation. God, I hate to go all “Israel controls the media” but there it is.
Not even a discussion. Just a fact.
Need look no further than the blackout on the anti bib protests in Israel.
The Nice Zionists responsible for the thefts and murders for the past 69 years along with the “Jewish Community” in the rest of the world will resolve the matter so as to be fair to both parties.
This is mind-boggling fantasy.
Truly mind-boggling. Ahistorical, and as you say, fantasy.
What will Israel-Palestine look like twenty years from now? Will it remain an apartheid regime, a regime without any Palestinians, or something different. The Trump decision, which the world rejects, brings the issue of “final” settlement to the fore. In a way we can go back to the thirties and the British Mandate. Jewish were fleeing Europe, many coming to Palestine. The British, on behalf of the Zionists, were delaying declaring Palestine a state with control of its own affairs. Seeing the mass immigration and chafing at British foot dragging, the Arabs rebelled, What happened then was that the British, responding to numerous pressures notably war with Germany, acted by granting independence and granting Palestine control of its borders.
With American pressure and the mass exodus of Jews from Europe, Jews defied the British resulting in Jewish resistance. What followed then was a UN plan to divide the land with a Jerusalem an international city administered by the UN. The Arabs rebelled and lost much of what the UN plan provided and Jerusalem as an international city was scrapped.
Will there be a second serious attempt to settle the issue of the land and the status of Jerusalem? Will there be a serious move toward a single state? How will the matter of Jerusalem be resolved. The two state solution has always been a fantasy and acquiescence of Palestinians to engage in this charade exposes their leaders to charges of posturing for perks. Imagined options could go on and on but will there be serious options placed before the world community or will the boots on the ground Israeli policies continue?
As I have commented before, it will most probably be the Jewish community in Israel and the world that shapes the future and if the matter is to be resolved that is fair to both parties, it will be they that starts the ball rolling.
I agree. As the US and West hegemony and monopolies fail, those in power in Israel will lose power to those that live there who wish things to be as they used to be before the 40’s.
“The extended kingdoms of David and Solomon, on which the Zionists base their territorial demands, endured for only about 73 years… Then it fell apart…” https://israelpalestinenews.org/weaponizing-archeology/
The younger generation, particulalry non-Haridim, are leaving Israel for “normal” countries in Europe and for the US and Canada. No wonder.
The zionist will stop at nothing to control the middle east with American taxpayers money/military equiptment its a win win for the zionist they control America lock stock and barrel a pity though it is a great country to be led by a jewish entity.
Exactly. This is where the Zionists want their NWO State to be located for geopolitical reasons. The Belfour Declaration was all about this.
Trump and Kushner have nothing to worry about, even if a smoking gun is found that proves their collusion with Israel. That’s because the entire political and media establishment will simply ignore the Israeli connection.
Journalists and politicians will even continue to present Mike Flynn’s contacts as evidence of collusion with Russia. They’ll keep on repeating that “Flynn lied about his phone call to the Russian ambassador”. But there will be no mention of the fact that the purpose of this contact was to support Israel and not any alleged Russian interference.
I think you have it right Brendan. The MSM, Intelligence Community, and Mueller would never go down any path that popularized undue Israeli influence on US foreign policy. “Nothing to see here folks, move along.”
Actually, Netanyahu was so desperate to have the resolution pulled and not voted on that he reached out to any country that might help him after the foreign minister of New Zealand, one of its co-sponsors refused to pull the plug after a testy phone exchange with the Israeli PM ending up threatening an Israeli boycott oturnef the KIwis.
He then turned to his buddy, Vladimir Putin, who owed him a favor for having Israel’s UN delegate absent himself for the UNGA vote on sanctioning Russia after its annexation of Crimea.
Putin then called Russia’s UN Ambassador, Vitaly Churkin, since deceased, and asked him to get the other UNSC ambassadors to postpone the vote until Trump took over the White House but the other ambassadors weren’t buying it. Given Russia’s historic public position regarding the settlements, Churkin had no choice to vote Yes with the others.
This story was reported in detail in the Israeli press but blacked out in the US which, due to Zionist influence on the media, does not want the American public to know about the close ties between Putin and Netanyahu which has led to the Israeli PM making five state visits there in the last year and a half.
Had Clinton won the White House we can assume that there would have been no US veto. That Netanyahu apparently knew in advance that the US planned to veto the resolution was, I suspect, leaked to the Israelis by US delegate Samantha Power, who was clearly unhappy at having to abstain.
The Israeli Prime Minister made five state visits to Russia in the last year and a half to make sure the Russians don’t accidentally on purpose blast Israeli warplanes from the sky over Syria (like they oughtta). Putin tries not to snicker when Netanyahu bloviates ad nauseum about the purported “threat” posed by Iran.
He thinks Putin is a RATS ASS like the yankee government
“This story was reported in detail in the Israeli press but blacked out in the US”
We’ve just had a whole cluster of big stories involving Israel that have all been essentially blacked out in the US press. e.g.
“Dionne and Shields ignore the Adelson in the room”
http://mondoweiss.net/2017/12/jerusalem-israels-capital
This is not due to chance. There is no doubt that the US mainstream media is wholly controlled by the Israelis.
Jeff, that characterization of Putin and Netanyahu’s relationship makes no sense, since the Russians have consistently opposed Zionism and Putin has been no exception, having spoiled Zionist plans for the destruction of Syria.
Not sure where you’re going with that, since the US vote was up to Obama, who wanted to get some payback for all of Bibi’s efforts to sabotage Obama’s treaty with Iran.
For the record, Zionism has had no more rabid supporter than the Dragon Lady. If we’re going to make assumptions, we could start by assuming that if she had won the White House we’d all be dead by now, thanks to her obsession (at the instigation of her Zionist/neocon sponsors) with declaring no-fly zones in Syria.
Putin is forced to deal with the psychopaths who are also spoiled brats.
The Jews are for a huge surprise. — Not only the US and EU citizens are coming to their senses re the guilt for “special victimhood” of the “eternal victim,” but such guilt is totally absent in Chinese DNA, and the China is going to overcome the US colossus with the feet of clay sooner or later. Considering the ziocons’ eager participation in designing and promoting the ongoing slaughter in the Middle East, and considering the hard facts in Palestine and in ziocon-regime-changed Ukraine (such as the triumph of neo-Nazis there), Zionism is approaching its deathbed. The WWII Holocaust biz was a nice caw to milk, but the history of Zionism shows its amorality since Zionism combines supremacism and terrorism. The availability of historical documents — such as “Two Hundred Years Together” by Solzhenitsyn and the facts about Israelis’ barbarity against the ancient monuments in Palestine et cetera — is the greatest enemy of Zionists and ziocons.
All governments are criminally corrupt kakistocracies by design no matter how benevolent they portray themselves.
I just can’t see any special prosecutor investigating Israel-Gate. Between what the Zionist donors donate to these creepy politicians, too what goods they have on these same mischievous politicians, I just can’t see any investigation into Israel’s collusion with the Trump Administration going anywhere. Netanyahu isn’t Putin, and Russia isn’t Israel. Plus, Israel is considered a U.S. ally, while Russia is being marked as a Washington rival. Sorry, this news regarding Israel isn’t going to be ranted on about for the next 18 months, like the MSM has done with Russia, because our dear old Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East, or so they tell us. So, don’t get your hopes up.
It’s true the Israelis have America’s politicians by the ears and the balls. But as this story gets better known, politicians will start getting questions at their town meetings. Increasingly the politicians will gag on what Israel is force-feeding them, until finally they reach a critical mass of vomit in Congress.
I hope you are right JWalters. Although relying on a Zionist controlled MSM doesn’t give hope for the news getting out properly. Again I hope you are right JWalters. Joe
We shall see. I don’t go in for hope much, but in this case, perhaps. I do like the picture of politicians swimming in their own filth and vomit though. How about this thought as a rule/law: What one in power decides for others chooses that for themselves and their families. It will never(?) come to be though.
A nice little set-up by the Obama administration. Perhaps it was entrapment? Who set it up? Flynn and Kushner should have known better to fall for it. So at the end of his Presidency, Obama suddenly gets balls and wants to slap down Israel? Yeah, right.
Nice to have leverage over people, though, isn’t it? If you’re lucky and play your cards right, you might even be lucky enough to land an impeachment.
Of course, I’m just being cynical. No one would want to overturn democracy, would they?
Certainly people like Comey, Brenner, Clinton, Clapper, Mueller, Rosenstein wouldn’t want that, would they?
A very important article by Dennis Bernstein, and it is very appropriate that non-zionist Jews are active against the extreme zionist corruption of our federal government. I am sure that they are reviled by the zionists for interfering with the false denunciations of racism against the opponents of zionism. Indeed critics face a very nearly totalitarian power of zionism, which in league with MIC/WallSt opportunism has displaced democracy altogether in the US.
I agree. I love the photo of Jews living in Palestine(Israel) holding a sign reading “Rothschilds go home”. Says it all. I’m sure the photo can be found if researched if you are interested.
Hitler and Mussolini, Trump and Netanyahoo – matches made in Hell. These characters are so obviously, blatantly evil that it is deeply disturbing that people fail to see that, and instead go to great lengths to find some complicated flaws in these monsters.
Keep it simple folks. No need for complex analyses. Just remember that these characters as simply as evil as it gets, and proceed from there. These asinine shows that portray mobsters as complex human beings are dangerously deluding. If you want to be victimized by these types, this kind of overthinking is just the way to go.
There is a modern theory of fiction that insists upon the portrayal of inconsistency in characters, both among the good guys and the bad guys. It is useful to show how those who do wrongs have made specific kinds of errors that make them abnormal, and that those who do right are not perfect but nonetheless did the right thing. Instead it is used by commercial writers to argue that the good are really bad, and the bad are really good, which is of course the philosophy of oligarchy-controlled mass publishers.
Well said. Only psychopaths will understand other psychopaths.
This is an extremely important story, excellently reported. All the main “facts” Americans think they know about Israel are, amazingly, flat-out lies.
1. Israel was NOT victimized by powerful Arab armies. Israel overpowered and victimized a defenseless, civilian Arab population. Military analysts knew the Arab armies were in poor shape and would not be able to resist the zionist army.
2. Muslim “citizens” of Israel do NOT have all the same rights as Jews.
3. Israelis are NOT under threat from the indigineous Palestinians, but Palestinians are under constant threats of theft and death from the Israelis.
4. Israel does NOT share America’s most fundamental values, which rest on the principle of equal human rights for all.
Maintaining such a blanket of major lies for decades requires immense power. And this power would have to be exercised “under the radar” to be effective. That requires even more power. Both Congress and the press have to be controlled. How much power does it take to turn “Progressive Rachel” into “Tel Aviv Rachel”? To turn “It Takes a Village” Hillary into “Slaughter a Village” Hillary? It takes immense power AND ruthlessness.
War profiteers have exactly this combination of immense war profits and the ruthlessness to victimize millions of people.
“War Profiteers and the Roots of the War on Terror”
http://warprofiteerstory.blogspot.com
Vast war profits easily afford to buy the mainstream media. And controlling campaign contributions for members of Congress is amazingly cheap in the big picture. Such a squalid sale of souls.
And when simple bribery is not enough, they ruin a person’s life through blackmail or false character assassination. And if those don’t work they use death threats, including to family members, and finally murder. Their ruthlessness is unrestrained. John Perkins has described these tactics in “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man”.
For readers who haven’t seen it, here is an excellent riff on the absurdly overwhelming evidence for Israel’s influence compared to that of Russia, at a highly professional news and analysis website run by Jewish anti-Zionists.
“Let’s talk about Russian influence”
http://mondoweiss.net/2016/08/about-russian-influence/
I have read Perkins’s book and it was enlightening. Especially since he conceded that his success in his personal businesses was due to the fact that he kept his mouth shut. I have yet to read his newest book. I like the term squalid that you used to describe the sale of souls, it is a correct definition. I will check out both links you have provided and thanks for that.
So Mueller caught Kushner and Flynn red-handed, sabotaging the Obama administration? What of it? He can’t use that evidence, because it would inculpate the Zionist neocons that are orchestrating his farcical, Stalinist witchhunt. And Mueller, being an efficient terminator bot, knows that his target is Russia, not Israel.
Mueller can use that evidence of sabotage and/or obstruction of justice to try to coerce false confessions from Kushner and Flynn. But what are the chances of that, barring short stayovers for them at some CIA black site?
So Mueller will just have to continue swamp-fishing for potential perjurers…ahem…witnesses, for the upcoming show trials (to further inflame public opinion against Russia and Russia sympathizers). And continue he will, because (as we all know from Schwarzenegger’s flicks), the only way to stop the terminator is to terminate him/it first.
He used it, along with other info, to turn flip Flynn and possibly can use it the same way again Kusher. Not all evidence has end up in court to be useful.
Well said. In fact, I like most of the informed narratives and assessments I have read here.
You guys are blinded by the light. The Israel connection disclosed by the malpracticer hack Mueller in the recent Flynn-flam just made Trump bullet-proof (so to speak).
There is no doubt that Trump is Bibi’s and the Saudi’s ventriloquist dummy and Jared has been an Israel agent of influence since he was 12.
But half the Dementedcrat Sore Loser Brigade will withdraw from the field of battle (not to mention most of the GOP living dead too) if publically and noisily tying Israel to Trump’s tail becomes the only route to his removal. Which it would have to be, as there is no there there regarding the yearlong trumped-up PutinPutinPutin waterboarding of Trump.
Immediately (if not sooner) the mighty (pro-Israel) Donor Bank of Singer (Paul), Saban (Haim), Sachs (Goldman) & Adelson (Sheldon), would change their passwords and leave these politicians/beggars with empty begging bowls. End of $ordid $tory.
Yep.The zionists are in control.
The Logan act would not apply here, although I wish it would. I don’t think anyone has been convicted based on this act, and they were part of a transition team not to mention the Logan act clearly states a private citizen who attempts to negotiate with an enemy state, and that certainly doesn’t apply to Israel. In this administration their bias is so blatant that they can install Kushner as an honest broker in the Israeli-Palestine peace process while his family has a close relationship with Netanyahu, and he runs a foundation that invests in the building of illegal settlements which goes against the Geneva conventions. Hopefully Trump’s blatant siding with Israel will receive a lot of backlash as did his plan to make Jerusalem the capital of Israel.
I also found that so called progressive internet sites don’t cover this the way they should.
@Annie…
“The Logan act would not apply here, although I wish it would.”
You and me both….
From the point of starting to read this article, it has been in my mind that the Logan act would not apply here. After reading most of the comments, it became clear that not many people viewed this as such. Yes, Joe Tedesky did as well…
The UN is the “clearing house” for international politics, where countries freely contact each other’s for getting support for their cause behind the scene. The support sought after could be voting for or against the resolution on hand. At times, as Israel did, countries reach out to perceived enemies as well, if they could not secure sufficient support for their cause. This is the normal activity of the UN diplomacy.
Knowing that the outgoing administration would not support its cause, Israel reached out to the incoming administration to delay the vote on the UN resolution. I fail to see anything wrong with Israel’s action even in this case; Israel is not an enemy state to the US. As such, there has been no violation of any acts by the incoming administration, even if they tried to secure veto vote for Israel. I do not like it, but no action by Mueller in this case is correct.
People, just like the article in itself, implying that the Logan Act applies in this case are just plain wrong. Not just wrong, but their anti-Israel bias is in plain view.
Whether we like it or not, the former and current administration view Russia is as an enemy state. Even then, Russia contacting the incoming administration is not a violation of the Logan Act. That is just normal diplomacy in the background between countries. What would be a violation is that the contacted official acted on the behalf of Russia and tried to influence the outgoing administration’s decision. That is what the Mueller investigation tries to prove hopelessly…
“Whether we like it or not, the former and current administration view Russia is as an enemy state.” So that is how it works, the White House says it is an enemy state and therefore it is. The so called declaration is the hammer used for trying to make contact with Russia a criminal offense. We are not at war with Russia although we see our leaders doing their best to provoke Russia into one.
Thanks for your reply. When I read the article and it referenced the Logan Act, which I am familiar with in that I’ve read about it before, I was surprised that Bernstein and Silverstein even brought it up because it so obviously does not apply in this case, since Israel is not considered an enemy state. Many have even referenced it as flimsy when it comes to convictions against those in Trump’s transition team who had contacts with Russia. No one has ever been convicted under the Logan Act.
The Logan Act either should apply equally, or not apply at all. This “Russia-gate” hype seems to apply it selectively.
While I think Bibi is an idiot, I also think the Logan Act is overinvoked, overstated, probably of dubious legal value and also of dubious constitutional value.
In short, especially because Trump had been elected, though not yet inaugurated, I think he is not at all guilty of a Logan Act violation. This is nothing close to Spiro Agnew calling Anna Chenault from the airplane in August 1968.
Probably true, although evidence of extreme collusion with Israel eliminates any case against Russia, with whom we have far more reasons for amity. Bringing out the Israel collusion greatly improves public understanding of political corruption. Perhaps it will awaken some to the Agnew-Chennault betrayal of the people of the US.
It’s ironic that Russia-gate is turning out to be Israel’s effort to distract attention from its complete control over the Democratic party in 2016. From Israeli billionaires behind the scenes to Debbie Wasserman-Schultz at the helm. The leaked emails showed the corruption plainly, and based on the ACTUAL evidence (recorded download time), most likely came from a highly disgruntled insider. The picture was starting to spill into public view. I’d estimate the real huge worry was that if this stuff came out, it could bring out other Israeli secrets, like their involvement in 9/11. That would mean actual jail time. Might be hard to buy your way out of that no matter how much money you have.
The Logan act states that anyone who negotiates with an enemy of the US, and Israel is not defined as an enemy.
Despite the framing in this article, The Logan Act does NOT specify “enemy” nations. It prohibits private citizens from attempting to influence ANY foreign government in affairs in which the United States has interest.
“Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.”
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/953
As most regular readers of CN already know, some dynamite books on the inordinate amount of influence pro-Israel zealots have on Washington:
1.) ‘The Host and the Parasite’ by Greg Felton
2.) ‘Power of Israel in the United States’ by James Petras
3.) ‘They Dare to Speak Out’ by Paul Findley
4.) ‘The Israel Lobby’ by Mearsheimer and Walt
5.) ‘Zionism, Militarism and the Decline of U.S. Power’ by James Petras
I suggest that anyone relatively knew to this neglected topic peruse a few of the aforementioned titles. An inevitable backlash by the citizens of the United States is eventually forthcoming against the Zionist Power Configuration. It’s crucial that this impending backlash remain democratic, non-violent, eschews anti-Semitism, and travels in a progressive in direction.
Which one would you suggest? I already read “The Israel Lobby.”
The Findley book and the first Petras book listed. Enjoy!
Thanks!
Findley and Mearsheimer are certainly worthwhile. I will look for Petras.
If you haven’t already read them, the end/footnotes in “The Israel Lobby” are more illuminating.
That influence is also shown, of course, by the fact that Obama waited until the midnight hours of his tenure and after the 2016 election to even start working on this resolution.
For those who prefer pictorial explanation of the Israel-US relationships here is an educational video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovo_T0KqdYg
“The parasitoid Jewel Wasp (Ampulex compressa) uses cockroaches (Periplaneta americana) as a live fresh food supply for its offspring. The wasp injects venom directly into the cockroach brain to control its behavior. In this movie, we show the life cycle of this amazing predator, which ends in a slow horrifying death of the cockroach.”