The Pseudo Debate Over Jeffrey Epstein’s Suicide

Death, sex, power, intrigue, murder, suicide — these are the staples of the 19th century penny press, mass media and the CIA, writes Edward Curtin.

By Edward Curtin
edwardcurtin.com 

When phrases such as “the deep state” and “conspiracy theory” become staples of both the corporate mainstream media and the alternative press, we know the realities behind these phrases have outlasted their usefulness for the ruling elites who control the United States and for their critics, each of whom uses them refutably or corroboratively. These phrases are bandied about so often that they have become hackneyed and inane.

Everything is shallow now, in our faces, and by being in our faces the truth is taking place behind our backs. The obvious can’t be true since it’s so obvious, so let us search for other explanations, and when the searchers search, let us call them “conspiracy nuts.”  It is a mind game of extraordinary proportions, orchestrated by the perverted power elites who run the show and are abetted by their partners in the corporate mass media, even some in the alternative press who mean well but are confused, or are disinformation agents in the business of sowing confusion together with their mainstream Operation Mockingbird partners. 

It is a spectacle of open secrecy, in which the CIA, which created the “conspiracy theory” meme to ridicule critics of the Warren Commission’s absurd explanation of the Kennedy assassination, has effectively sucked everyone into a game of to and fro in which only they win.

“When I make a word do a lot of work like that,” said Humpty Dumpty, “I always pay it extra.”

Outside the Narrative Frame

Only by stepping outside this narrative frame with its vocabulary can we begin to grasp the truth here in our Wonderland of endless illusions.

Death, sex, power, intrigue, murder, suicide – these are the staples of the penny press of the 19thcentury, Joseph Pulitzer’s New York World, Hearst’s New York Journal, the tabloids, today’s mass media, and the CIA. People hunger for these stories, not for the real truth that impacts their lives, but for the titillation that gives a frisson to their humdrum lives. It is why post-modern detective stories are so popular, as if never solving the crime is the point.

Robert Pfaller in 2016. (Suzie1212, CC BY-SA 4.0, Wikimedia Commons)

To say “we will never know” is the mantra of a postmodern culture created to keep people running in circles. (Note the commentaries about the Jeffrey Epstein case.) Elusive and allusive indeterminacy characterizes everything in the culture of postmodernity. Robert Pfaller, a professor at the University of Art and Industrial Design in Linz, Austria, and a founding member of the Viennese psychoanalytic research group “stuzzicandenti,” put it clearly in a recent interview:

“The ruling ideology since the fall of the Berlin Wall, or even earlier, is postmodernism. This is the ideological embellishment that the brutal neoliberal attack on Western societies’ welfare (that was launched in the late 1970s) required in order to attain a “human”, “liberal” and “progressive” face. This coalition between an economic policy that serves the interest of a tiny minority, and an ideology that appears to “include” everybody is what Nancy Fraser has aptly called “progressive neoliberalism”. It consists of neoliberalism, plus postmodernism as its ideological superstructure.”

The propagandists know this; they created it. They are psychologically astute, having hijacked many intelligent but soul-less people of the right and left to do their handiwork. 

Money Buys Souls

Money buys souls, and the number of those who have sold theirs is numerous, including those leftists who have been bought by the CIA, as Cord Meyer, the CIA official phrased it so sexually in the 1950s: we need to “court the compatible left.”  He knew that drawing leftists into the CIA’s orbit was the key to efficient propaganda. For so many of the compatible left, those making a lot of money posing as opponents of the ruling elites but taking the money of the super-rich, events like the JFK assassination are inconsequential, never to be broached, as if they never happened, except as the authorities say they did.

By ignoring these most in-your-face events with their eyes wide shut, a coterie of influential leftists has done the work of Orwell’s crime-stop and has effectively succeeded in situating current events in an ahistorical and therefore misleading context that abets U.S. propaganda.

The debate over whether Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide or not is a pseudo-debate meant to keep people spinning their wheels over nothing. It attracts attention and will do so for many days to come. There are even some usually astute people suggesting that he may not be dead but might have been secretly whisked off somewhere and replaced with a dead look-alike. Now who would profit from suggesting something as insane as this?  The speculation runs rampant and feeds the spectacle. Whether he was allowed to kill himself or was killed makes little difference.

(Christopher Dombres, CC0, Wikimedia Commons)

Debates to Nowhere

It’s akin to asking who pulled the trigger that killed President John Kennedy.  That’s a debate that was intended to go nowhere, as it has, after it became apparent that Lee Harvey Oswald surely did not kill JFK.  Kennedy’s murder in broad daylight in public view is the paradigmatic event of modern times. It is obvious to anyone who gives minimal study to the issue that it was organized and carried out by elements within the national security state, notably the CIA. Their message was meant to be unequivocal and clear: We can kill him and we can kill you; we are in full control; beware. Then they went on to kill others, including RFK and MLK.  It takes little intelligence to see this obvious fact, unless you wish not to or are totally lost in the neighborhood of make-believe.

As it was with Jack Ruby killing Lee Harvey Oswald, so it is with Epstein. There will be no trial.  Nothing is really hidden except the essential truth. Guess, debate, wonder, watch, read to your sad heart’s content.  You will have gotten nowhere unless you step outside the frame of the reigning narrative.

New York Post: Reigniting the narrative. 

A corollary example of another recent national headline grabber, the Mueller investigation, is apropos here.  Douglas Valentine, expert on the CIA and author of “The CIA as Organized Crime,” said in a recent interview that in all the endless mass media discussions of the Mueller investigation, one obvious question was never asked: What is the CIA’s role in it all?  It was never asked because the job of the corporate mass media is to work for the CIA, not to expose it as a nest of organized criminals and murderers that it is.

What is important in the Epstein case is the deep back story, a tale that goes back decades and is explored by Whitney Webb in a series of fine articles for the Mint Press. Read her articles and you will see how Epstein is just the current manifestation of the sordid history of the American marriage between various factions of the American ruling elites, whose business is sexual exploitation as a fringe benefit of being willing members of the economic and military exploitation of the world. A marriage of spies, mafia, intelligence agencies, sexual perverts, foreign governments and American traitors who will stop at nothing to advance their interests.

Destroys the Fairy Tale of Democracy

It is a hard story to swallow because it destroys the fairy tale that has been constructed about American “democracy” and the decency of our leaders. Webb’s articles are not based on secret documents but on readily available information open to a diligent researcher. It’s known history that has been buried, as is most history in a country of amnesiacs and educational illiterates.  The average person doesn’t have Webb’s skill or time to pull it all together, but they can read her illuminating work. Often, however, it is the will to truth that is lacking.

While Webb places the Epstein matter in an historical context, she does not “solve” the case, since there is nothing to solve. It is another story from a long litany of sex/espionage stories openly available to anyone willing to look. They tell the same story.  Like many commentators, she draws many linkages to the Israeli Mossad’s long-standing connections to this criminal under and over world in the United States and throughout the world.  She writes:

“Ultimately, the picture painted by the evidence is not a direct tie to a single intelligence agency but a web linking key members of the Mega Group [a secretive group of Jewish billionaires, including Epstein’s patron Leslie Wexner], politicians, and officials in both the U.S. and Israel, and an organized-crime network with deep business and intelligence ties in both nations.”

If anything is obvious about the Epstein case, it is that he was part of a sexual blackmail operation tied to intelligence agencies.  Such blackmail has long been central to the methods of intelligence agencies worldwide and many arrows rightfully point to the Mossad.

However, while throughout Webb’s articles she draws linkages that lead to the Mossad, she only suggests CIA connections.  This is similar to but milder than a point made in an article written by Philip Giraldi, a former CIA counter-terrorism specialist, Did Pedophile Jeffrey Epstein Work for Mossad? Giraldi writes that the CIA “would have no particular motive to acquire an agent like Epstein.”  This makes no sense.  Of course, it would.  The CIA and the FBI have a long record of such activities, and to hold such a club over the heads of presidents, senators, et al to make sure they do their bidding is obviously a strong motivation.

Valentine’s point about not asking the question about the CIA’s involvement in the Mueller investigation pertains. Does Giraldi believe that the Mossad operates independently of the CIA? Or that they don’t work in tandem?  His statement is very strange.

The CIA is organized crime, and if Epstein is Mossad connected, he is CIA also, which is most likely.  Epstein could not have operated as he did for decades without being sustained and protected.  Now that he is dead there will be no trial, just as there will be no mainstream media or justice department revelations about the CIA or Mossad.  There will be a lot of gibberish about conspiracy theories and the open secret that is the spectacle of secrecy will roll on. There will, of course, be much sex talk and outrage. We will anxiously await the movie and the TV “exposés.” Most people will know, and pretend they don’t, that the country is ruled by gangsters who would pimp their mothers if it served their interests.

Those of us who oppose these criminals – and there are growing numbers all over the world – must avoid being sucked into the Establishment narratives and the counter-narratives they spawn or create. We must refuse to get involved in pseudo-debates that are meant to lead nowhere.  We must reject the language created to confuse. 

If revolutionary change is to come, we must learn to tell a new story in language so beautiful, illuminating, and heart-rending that no one will listen to the lying words of child molesters, mass murderers, and those who hate and persecute truth tellers. 

As John Berger said, “In storytelling everything depends on what follows what.  And the truest order is seldom obvious.”

Educated in the classics, philosophy, literature, theology, and sociology, Ed Curtin is a former professor of sociology. His writing on varied topics has appeared widely over many years.  He sees all his work as an effort to enhance human freedom.  

This article is from the author’s website edwardcurtin.com.

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130 comments for “The Pseudo Debate Over Jeffrey Epstein’s Suicide

  1. Larry Shea
    August 31, 2019 at 09:21

    Barbara Honegger who “was a 1980 Reagan-Bush staffer and later a White House policy analyst” reported the following statement that she maintained she overheard and then wrote down: The statement was allegedly made by CIA Director, William Casey during a cabinet meeting in the Roosevelt Room of the White house in February of 1981. According to Barbara Honegger, William Casey stated that “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”

    According to Colonel Albert V. Carone (Please, see Colonel Al Carone – Deep Politics Forum, “Married to the Mob and the CIA.”) William Casey was practically a member of Caroe’s family, someone who grew up in the same neighborhood. Carone was linked to the mob from an early age and then to the CIA. According to Carone, William Casey also had links to the mob from an early age. Colonel Carone worked for and with such deviant scum as Oliver North, V.P. Bush, Casey and numerous other notorious deep-state villains (including Vince Foster) throughout his long career. He died in 1990 — murdered by the same people for whom he worked.

  2. Auralee
    August 25, 2019 at 21:04

    Above all, I want to know who partook. Many are probably still in power, and still subject to blackmail.

  3. August 24, 2019 at 19:48

    What we know is quite limited, I personally feel he was murdered for what he knew.on the Friday, just before his demise his attorneys said he was confident he would win his appeal. 2) what person sets up a trust to protect there assets, if he is suicidal.it is a known fact that you can’t hang yourself being 6’-0” from those bed frames.there is no way you could of broke bones. They said he was found in a kneeling position. The sheets are paper thin according to past guards interviewed.The construction of those prison cells, will not allow this to take place. My personal opinion is a lot of people were paid to look the other direction.
    Justice denied is not justice served.

  4. August 22, 2019 at 13:52

    The Art of War
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maOFYVR8B40
    No More War. No More war. No More War.

  5. MARIA
    August 22, 2019 at 12:44

    Completely.

  6. Bif Webster
    August 22, 2019 at 11:43

    There are too many Coincidence Theorists.

  7. nietzsche1510
    August 22, 2019 at 07:34

    the sexual facet is there intentionally, since the get go, like the tree hiding the forest, like a safety valve for the central aim of the enterprise, Mossad intelligence.

  8. Zhu
    August 22, 2019 at 00:34

    So how do I tell the smart conspiracy theories from the dumb ones? Historians evaluate evidence and analyze it with logic, especially the rukes “Occam’s Razor” abd the Popper Principle. Amateurs tend to assume “if ir feels good, it must be true!”

  9. CitizenOne
    August 21, 2019 at 21:42

    Somebody once said that unregulated capitalism is just organized crime. Another one is power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    So what we have seen is a decades long conservative led attack on regulations of all types starting with Reagan’s Trickle Down Economics and ballooning deficits, his deregulation of the savings and loan banks that led to a 600 billion bailout by the taxpayers under Bush Sr. All the HMO mergers which left healthcare and insurance companies combined under one roof where there was no possible way that they might charge people out the ass for insurance and turn around and deny coverage. There was banking deregulation (Lehman Brothers!), energy deregulation (Enron!). Legislation making it illegal to purchase prescription drugs from foreign countries. Illegal for the government to negotiate drug prices.

    And in the meantime we have had to bear the brunt of high healthcare prices, we have added the bank bailouts to the taxable dues owed by our children.

    Even now we are being told that there is no way that a payroll tax reduction is in the works but more tax breaks for investors is absolutely on the table. Back when they were pushing the tax breaks for billionaires law there was a simultaneous push to lower the cap on the percentage of allowable income that workers could plow into their 401K. Why? Simple, with all that money coming in from the tax breaks the investors also wanted to minimize the effect of the plebes to drive up prices by buying shares. Besides, those shares were not to be owned by commoners and simple wage earners! They were to be owned by the enlightened creators of the Universe, the wealthy investors.

    I know the article talks about murder in plain sight but isn’t it all in plain sight? All of these actions by the government and a whole bunch more have created a class of super wealthy super powerful persons be they real people or corporate people that have no accountability to any of us. They are the shapers of the future as we look on and watch the news and wonder what is Russia up to today.

    I would argue that if we really want people to open their eyes then even stupid conversations about some really rich CIA Pervert Mole Rat Bastard that was a sick monster do not even begin to address the real systemic problems in the economy when 70 percent of all the wealth is owned by just a few percent of the people.

    This whole Epstein thing is a double cross disinformation through and through. The trick is to not think about it. Who cares? Ask yourself if in the end some high level CIA official goes to jail because the whole thing was a Mossad hit with CIA support, how would you life improve?

    Now ask yourself what if all the the congresspeople who opposed healthcare reform and also worked and were payed by the same healthcare, insurance and pharmaceutical companies and made millions of dollars by crafting legislation for the benefit of billionaires were to be suddenly be defeated and congresspeople who wanted to stop the orgy on the back of sick people that is going on? How would that affect your life?

    There is nothing like a high level assassination conspiracy to get everybody talking about all the wrong stuff.

    • hetro
      August 22, 2019 at 19:37

      Citizen One, I don’t quite agree here on this, but I’m very sympathetic to much of you say. Yes, you are right that the whole thing and for a long time is not working besides the moral questions, which are similar to a squadron of flies on a rotting corpse. But what I don’t agree on, or the title of this article seems dubious to me, is that we’re wasting our time on these specific instances of corruption flung into our faces. It makes a lot of difference to me, for example, to know that now, after years and years of digging, we now know who murdered JFK. We know the WMD of 03 and wear on Iraq was a hoax. Soon we will know more about 9/11. More about the false Russia-gate manipulations. Even if we do nothing but hold a big party for these revelations that will be a triumph of the people, seems to me. Laughing. The Epstein thing is iconic in its brazen lying in the gutter stinking, with most people walking by it as though nothing was there. No, we need to get into this Epstein thing, and bring it out, expose it. Whitney Webb is a really good source I’d like to recommend.

    • John Tipre
      August 29, 2019 at 04:13

      Agree with you and would like to repeat here a response made to another Reply:

      It seems this excellent if dour response roundly supports the well-written piece which itself offers a vague fantasy suggesting as reform the “telling of a new story.” The American style plutocratic era we are experiencing will be extended only if a coherent, pragmatic element seeks some serious reform. Uh, no, that is itself a fantasy. Rather, the empire will have to collapse and, when this occurs, the United States will wind up in the top 15 to 20 economies in the world with a remnant elite class that will probably resemble the UK, Italy, France, etc. and who knows what pared down middle class. Clearly, the suffering must be raised up, and it will possibly be accomplished by someone who resembles a Hugo Chavez and who has the military behind him/her. It won’t be pretty, and we will not resemble the early 20th century form of America. The whole cycle should be complete by 2055 or so. An epic revolution? Unimaginable. Horrifying.

      Post Script: All bets are off if global climate change manifests in full capacity.

    • evelync
      August 23, 2019 at 18:13

      Excellent comment CitizenOne.
      Although the Epstein affair does clarify for us that the people at the top – supposedly the ones compromised in a blackmail scheme using children as throw away sex toys – proves that the Neoliberal/Neoconservative cabals that run this Empire and profited off the wars and the bank deregulation at the expense of working people are simply crooks and criminals.
      We now know they are not decent people who deserve to secretly run things behind the scenes without any scrutiny. They should be in prison instead of people like Chelsea Manning and Julian Assange who risk everything to share the proof of wrongdoing done in out name.

    • John Tipre
      August 29, 2019 at 04:10

      It seems this excellent if dour response roundly supports the well-written piece which itself offers a vague fantasy suggesting as reform the “telling of a new story.” The American style plutocratic era we are experiencing will be extended only if a coherent, pragmatic element seeks some serious reform. Uh, no, that is itself a fantasy. Rather, the empire will have to collapse and, when this occurs, the United States will wind up in the top 15 to 20 economies in the world with a remnant elite class that will probably resemble the UK, Italy, France, etc. and who knows what pared down middle class. Clearly, the suffering must be raised up, and it will possibly be accomplished by someone who resembles a Hugo Chavez and who has the military behind him/her. It won’t be pretty, and we will not resemble the early 20th century form of America. The whole cycle should be complete by 2055 or so. An epic revolution? Unimaginable. Horrifying.

      Post Script: All bets are off if global climate change manifests in full capacity.

  10. August 21, 2019 at 17:01

    Funny not to mention the various church related secret society involvement as represented by Casey. And the long history of manipulating ruling elites as well as contributing to the social background of sexual repression that can be used for the blackmail and as handy recruitment for military service as well. Like how surprisingly Casey assisted Reagan to win a New Hampshire primary as unseat another ex-CIA Bush or not as the case(y) may be. Or Johnson and the Bobby Baker scandal with its sexual web including even JFK and Ford too.

  11. nondimenticare
    August 21, 2019 at 14:42

    While I admire Edward Curtin, his basic premise, writing style, and sensitivity, I cannot agree that the truth of the details – either who, if anyone, killed Epstein or who pulled the trigger to kill Kennedy – are immaterial. They certainly are not replacements for deeper thinking, as they are being used propagandistically, but are important adjuncts that, if researched thoroughly, help to plumb the depths of truth that Curtin and all of us here are after.

    • John Tipre
      August 29, 2019 at 04:16

      Agree.

  12. Jill
    August 21, 2019 at 13:39

    Robert,

    You may very well be correct. Here is my point. If we don’t try we can be 100% certain of the outcome you lay out.

    If we do try, it may be only a small chance of success, but it is still a chance. We have nothing to lose by trying and everything to gain.

  13. Hawaiiguy
    August 21, 2019 at 10:24

    If one focuses on Maxwell and if it was her at in n out, the Epstein suicide/murder narrative makes no sense. She appears with no care in the world, think on that and a clear image comes into focus.

  14. Jill
    August 21, 2019 at 09:31

    To continue, this is an interesting article. At the end is a mention of Bill Clinton who is seen in a positive light. This is very strange given what is now known about Clinton. There are things in the article which make sense and things which do not make sense. I am going to research this further but I urge people to read it because it does have very important info (intermixed with adulation of right wing figures). In it, William Colby (not my idea of a great guy!) calls the deep state the “5th echelon”. That is my personal first hearing of any government official acknowledging that such a thing exists in our nation.

    • Jill
      August 21, 2019 at 13:35

      Please remove this comment. It will not make sense without publishing the original comment it is connected to.
      Thanks!

  15. cameron freeman
    August 21, 2019 at 09:13

    The Epstein scandal reveals the anatomy of a Rothschild-Zionist sexual blackmail operation orchestrated by Israel’s Mossad as a means for taking over the US government, and the 9/11 false flag psy-op that initiated the final phase of this take over was made possible by these intelligence agencies using pedophilia blackmail on politicians in power and other agents of influence as a means for gaining and maintaining control over America’s foreign policy and top leadership.

    This dark secret of blackmailed sexual predators and pedophiles with elite immunity being promoted to the highest positions of political power and influence in the US government is the final piece of the puzzle of how the planning and orchestration of the 9/11 deception by Bush/Cheney neo-cons, in treasonous complicity with Israeli Mossad and the House of Saud was kept veiled in a conspiracy of thunderous silence, as this “catalyzing event” was then exploited by an internally sabotaged US Empire as the unquestionable pretext for fighting disastrous preemptive wars against the enemies of Israel in the Middle East on behalf of the diabolical messianic delusions of the Rothschild-Zionist-Anglo-American central banking cabal and its Greater Israel Project.

    • August 22, 2019 at 12:13

      good comment!

    • August 22, 2019 at 18:05

      exactamento!

    • I Must Question
      August 26, 2019 at 11:44

      In other words, Alex Jones was right – he has been saying that the elites use child sex slaves as “currency” for many years now. The silence of the elites on both “sides” over the Epstein revelations is deafening.

  16. Jill
    August 21, 2019 at 09:13

    This is about a ruling in the Franklin case. If you read Webb’s articles you will see how that group (including HWB) is connected to the Epstein case. There was a civil legal judgment in favor of one victim who was also a victim of Monarch. Here is an excerpt: In her Feb. 5 testimony, Noreen Gosch lifted the lid on one of the darkest secrets behind the Franklin affair, that of the U.S. government mind control program often referred to as the “Monarch project.” Developed out of the MK-Ultra drug experiments of the 1950s, the Monarch project was centered in military bases across the country (and likely stretched into NATO headquarters in Brussels, Belgium), and involved
    using ritual satanic abuse to create distinct “multiple personalities” in an individual, each of which may be programmed as desired. Said Mrs. Gosch, “It is our hope following this story that we will be able to get Senate hearings, because it goes that high and that deep. . . . [It] involves an elaborate function, I will say, that was an offshoot of a government program. The MK-Ultra program was developed in the 1950s by the CIA… Well, then there was a man named Michael Aquino. He was in the military. He had a top Pentagon clearance. He was a pedophile. He was a Satanist. He founded the Temple of Set. “And he was also a very close friend of Anton LaVey.
    The two of them were very active in ritualistic sexual abuse. And they deferred [sic] funding from this government program to use this experimentation upon children, where they deliberately split off the personalities of these children into multiples, so that when they’re questioned under oath or questioned under lie detector, that unless the operator knows how to question a multiple personality disorder, they turn up with no evidence.
    “They use these kids to sexually compromise politicians or anyone else they wish to have control of. This sounds so far out and so bizarre, I had trouble accepting it in the beginning myself, until I was presented with the data. We have the proof. The black and white. . . . And by splitting the children’s personalities, they could then train each one of the personalities to do a different function. And the rest of the personalities within that host personality would not be aware of it, or remember it.” Paul Bonacci was a victim of the Monarch project…”

    https://www.wanttoknow.info/mk/nebraska-satanic-pedophile-case-eir.pdf

  17. Bessarabyn
    August 21, 2019 at 08:33

    To the point (s).
    Spot on.
    Thanks.
    Stefan

  18. Kateinhi
    August 21, 2019 at 08:29

    Excellent article that gives facts that can keep us from joining in “soon.”

    • jim glover
      August 21, 2019 at 13:44

      So true and a great article by Ed.

  19. August 21, 2019 at 01:19

    No More War

  20. August 21, 2019 at 00:48

    Epstein Etc.

    The combination of a suggestion by Ron Unz and a reading of the excellent 3 part journalistic piece by Whitney Webb led me to my present understanding of the Epstein scandal. Unz half jokingly suggested that for aspiring high rollers and power hustlers the best career gambit they could make would be to get photographed in a compromising position with jail bait underage sexual partners at one of Jeffery’s parties. It’s been well known for a long age that getting ahead is more a question of who you know than what you know. Hence these ‘high society’ parties have been going on for centuries. If you’re going places you have to mix with the right sort of people so as to get in on the real business which only takes place in such situations. But what we didn’t know is what Ron was suggesting. The people who can advance your career, or on the contrary, make sure you never go anywhere, want the goods, that is, the dirt, on you so that you can be controlled. They want to make sure you never get out of line. If you’re the sort of person who has no scruples, who is quite willing to do the work of the high and the mighty, a person who is compliant, then taking out an insurance policy with the intelligence agencies is just good business. A major generalisation therefore follows: the scum floats strait to the top. Anybody who makes it to the pinnacles of power are by definition people who can be blackmailed if need be. If you want to be a winner, go ahead and indulge your demonic urges with the kiddies. Do something illegal, immoral, dispicable. David Cameron was initiated into his college fraternity by having sex with a dead pig. It’s like that. It just needs to be the sort of thing that would break a career and possibly lead to jail time. But to the point, the lurid sensational dramas are, as Curtain warned, besides the point. The point is that perversity is an initiation rite/insurance policy for the elite political class and their oligarchic and mobbed up playmates. It’s not the exception; it’s the rule.

  21. mick
    August 20, 2019 at 21:13

    One photo of the cell, one photo of the bed, one photo of the sheet… these are all it would take to dismiss 90% of the theories.
    Three photos we will never see.
    That’s no accident.

  22. Marko
    August 20, 2019 at 20:51

    “….The obvious can’t be true since it’s so obvious, so let us search for other explanations, and when the searchers search, let us call them “conspiracy nuts.” It is a mind game of extraordinary proportions, orchestrated by the perverted power elites who run the show and are abetted by their partners in the corporate mass media, even some in the alternative press who mean well but are confused, or are disinformation agents in the business of sowing confusion together with their mainstream Operation Mockingbird partners….”

    Curtin then proceeds to join in the smearing of the “conspiracy nuts” :

    “….There are even some usually astute people suggesting that he may not be dead but might have been secretly whisked off somewhere and replaced with a dead look-alike. Now who would profit from suggesting something as insane as this? ”

    While Epstein being dead may be the most likely scenario , it’s hardly beyond the realm of possibilities that he was “whisked off”. A Dead Man’s Switch that is never triggered is one that has been successful , allowing the holder ( and his lady friend ? ) to live a long natural lifespan , with no significant prison hardships. Epstein potentially distributed the Mother of All DMSs years ago , perhaps to multiple trusted parties, known only to him. A 30 second video clip from that DMS , released to the public , would be enough to completely ruin the life of a famous politician or businessman. Now imagine hundreds , or thousands of such clips , featuring prominent figures from around the globe. That , plus half a billion dollars in wealth , could buy you a school play that would make “Wag The Dog” look like amateur hour. You can’t rule out the possibility that we may have just witnessed such a school play.

    • Ikallicrates
      August 21, 2019 at 09:07

      Of course we can’t rule out the possibility that Epstein was whisked off to freedom and is now basking on some sunny beach. Anything is possible. But it’s highly unlikely. Who are these “multiple trusted parties” with whom Epstein supposedly left incriminating evidence to be revealed in the event of his death? Epstein doesn’t appear to have had any friends. He was merely a pimp with rich and powerful clients. If he got into trouble with the law, they weren’t likely to come to his rescue. On the contrary, they would want him silenced before he implicated them. If he was also a CIA and/or Mossad agent who used sex to entrap these rich and powerful people, that’s another reason why they’d want him killed.

    • Mrko
      August 21, 2019 at 18:16

      “Of course we can’t rule out the possibility that Epstein was whisked off to freedom and is now basking on some sunny beach. Anything is possible. But it’s highly unlikely. ”

      That’s exactly my point. There is an ongoing cover-up of this event , which leaves open several possible explanations for what happened. Curtin chastises the MSM for labeling those who pursue those alternatives as “conspiracy nuts” , then turns around and calls those “insane” who examine a possibility he personally doesn’t favor. It’s blatant hypocrisy.

      Alien abduction of Epstein could reasonably be labeled as an insane theory. The potential faking of his murder or suicide is by no means in that category.

    • Rach3
      August 21, 2019 at 14:09

      But how would the people holding the damaging information know, that he wasn´t dead? How could he inform them he was still alive, without those wanting him dead knowing about it?

    • Mistaron
      August 21, 2019 at 17:40

      In reply to Marko;

      These have been my thoughts since the announced ‘death’ of Epstein. I found it interesting that the author was so quick to dismiss Epstein still being alive, and felt that I was intentionally being pointed in a deliberately opposing direction. My biggest argument in favour of Epstein being ‘whisked off’, is precisely the lack of a cross platform data dump incriminating the very people Epstein would have expected to protect him, and by whom he was now being ‘betrayed’. No data dump, no ‘suicide’.

      As I understand it, the medical examiner also has historical form, which in my opinion gives even more credence to there having been a ‘body-swap’ here.

      Please see my previous comment on this further down the column.

    • Marko
      August 21, 2019 at 18:21

      Perhaps we’ll meet some day in the insane asylum. I suspect Curtin is working on making the arrangements as we speak.

  23. Tom Kath
    August 20, 2019 at 20:35

    Edward Curtin describes perfectly how intrigue, sex, glamour, and that “we will never know” fascination acts as a smoke screen preventing any real scrutiny of the very obvious criminal role of the intelligence agencies. Beyond a sort of gloating, even proud, acknowledgement that “they can and will kill you if they feel they need to, to protect their own interests”, there is very little will to question those interests or the legitimacy of what amounts to self serving gangsters. – Their very power seems to make them admirable.
    A gory dead horse’s head in a bed becomes a marvellous and beautiful scene.

  24. mike k
    August 20, 2019 at 19:49

    Yes this is the face of corruption, but what can w do about it. The sleeping citizenry does not want to know the truth, and so are complicit in allowing crime to rule our world.

  25. Hollow and lost
    August 20, 2019 at 18:43

    This planet is red hot with Rort and ruin of its nature leaving it’s waste to the wasted and unfortunate. We are in the mass of the living dead a useless society of eaters and defecaters and we are at the bottom of the great pyramid of life leaving the light of knowledge to slowly go out.

  26. bardamu
    August 20, 2019 at 18:30

    Perhaps sadly, it does matter who pulls the trigger. It just should not be the only point of investigation. When one finds a party that one can call guilty, that does not mean that there’s nothing more to know. It does not even mean that there is not more guilt to assess.

    In Epstein’s case, of course, his guilt, insofar as we have assessed it, ought to be the starting point of investigation, and of course his presumable murder presumably took place to stop that.

    While Curtin is in good company deriding the endless debates about gunmen and grassy knolls, he demonstrates the utility, even the necessity of these right here. He cites this particular debate because it is ongoing and still attracts attention. It was and is part of the very slow recognition by post-1930s Americans that their government and para-government are not legitimate by described and accepted standards, and not on the side of the population.

    With respect to theories that are called “conspiracy theories,” as though that should be a criticism, the population is in a position like someone whose spouse has serial affairs. One must speculate, and lots of speculation will be incorrect. But there is generally no way without details to the general recognition that one is cheated and will be cheated again.

    The generalizations that can be made about patterns and the modus operandi of the CIA and Mossad et alia must grounded thoroughly in detail if it is to be understood in the face of both incorrect speculation and the massive and varied disinformation that is increasingly the dominant psyops pattern in Western nations.

    It is good that researchers and commentators do find these larger patterns, but let’s not skip doing the homework.

  27. August 20, 2019 at 16:42

    The historic Jeffrey Epstein scandal and the secrecy surrounding it is unacceptable, unsatisfactory, displeasing, unwelcome, unjust, unfair, indefensible, unjustified, unconscionable, unreasonable, unforgettable, and morally repugnant.

    In summary: Unforgivable.

    • Clark M Shanahan
      August 20, 2019 at 20:14

      I would add, Déplorable
      I just love how the MSM quickly offered an alternative narrative: our sick incarceration system.
      This is true, but, that does not wash away the presence of Mossad and many other shady operations.
      The MSM is, also, screwing Epstein’s victims.

    • Charlene Richards
      August 21, 2019 at 02:00

      And completely corrupt.

  28. August 20, 2019 at 16:32

    Pretty valid observations, with only one problem.

    In the discussion following the ‘Money Buys Souls’ subheader, Curtain speaks about the ‘left’, but nowhere does he speak of the equally manipulative ideologues on the ‘right’. When Michael Collins Piper released his extensive investigation into the JFK assassination, there was a great outcry of ‘foul’ from ssrael supporters on the ‘right’.

    If the public are to indeed ‘reject the language created to confuse’, they need to know that the false left/right paradigm is just as confounding as the trigger words like ‘conspiracy theory’ and ‘deep state’.

    • August 20, 2019 at 20:47

      I absolutely agree that the left/right paradigm is over or never was. In my country Australia, people I respect are still operating within it and hoping for left wing Labor to come save the day. That they have been the flea on the dog of the system chasing their tail never occurs to them even though they have been doing it for all of their adult life. First comes despair when you open your eyes realising you are the flea, and just what it is you’ve been riding. The trick is to jump off the dog, but one asks herself, how do I live now? Can a flea create its own world? What system will sustain but not enslave me? How do I join with the other fleas and organise? Most don’t even see the dog.

    • Phillip O'Dendron
      August 20, 2019 at 23:20

      One of the best assessments of our current situation articulated. Lots of unenlightened fleas here too.

  29. robert e williamson jr
    August 20, 2019 at 15:47

    IN reference to OlayPola, Aug 18,2019 at 09:39 Okay Virgil.

    THANX!

    It is free speech though and I seldom leave much doubt where I stand on issues.

    Am I annoying, at times I would imagine I am. Am I learning? Every day. Here is your recognition.

    Thank you so very much!

    • OlyaPola
      August 22, 2019 at 05:13

      “Am I annoying, at times I would imagine I am.”

      Reliance on projection is always strategically unwise although very popular.

      It is not only the case that evaluation is a function of purpose but also that evaluation criteria and methods are functions of purpose and facility.

      It is also the case that some do not assign the significance to others that others seek to assign to themselves, including in projected notions of “seeking” attribution/recognition.

      Omniscience can never exist except in matra such as “We the people hold these truths to be self-evident” and “knowledge” can never be a destination but a lateral process where change is a “constant of varying trajectory and velocity” – useful references may include but not be restricted to Mr. Heraclitus and Mr. Heisenberg.

      A portal is a portal not a destination, although partly as a function of limited agency/facility some perceive portals as destinations.

      A coathanger is a coathanger, not an interlocutor in significant regard.

      Reliance on imaginings sometimes known as beliefs have utilities, not all of which are “shared”, facilitating processes such as affecting that the “benefits” of dumbing down do not solely accrue to those actively engaged in seeking to encourage dumbing down, thereby facilitating the linear re-iteration of such efforts (a laterall process of the dumbing down of the would be dumbing downers – the enmazement of amazement).

      Not all are enmazed in emoting.

      Enjoy your journey.

    • OlyaPola
      August 23, 2019 at 11:43

      “Reliance on projection is always strategically unwise although very popular. “

      Among the outcomes of imaginings including of time periods:

      “https://journal-neo.org/2019/08/23/the-liberal-order-began-by-embracing-russia-now-they-want-revenge/”

      “This story’s title is a spin on a The Guardian article “Putin began by embracing the west. Now, he wants revenge,” by Angus Roxburgh. “

      Among the wonders of projections of what you see is what you get ensuring that what you get is what you don’t see.

      “I believe Vladimir Putin and the Russian people are being punished for being so bold as to dream of inclusion in the world community. “

      How conflation of believe and think facilitates opposites bridged by belief to attain “confirmation”.

      “The answer is simple. His positivity and the lies of the western industrialists blindsided him. “

      How seeking simplicity leads to misrepresentations including “mis-interpretations” of the statements of others facilitating enmazement in amazement that “NGO’s” were not expelled earlier.

      “Nothing is as it seems, and everything is for sale.”

      and how belief facilitates reliance on axioms facilitating resort to belief to bridge doubt when outcomes vary from expectations.

      The folk dances of opponents regularly have utility and have had since at least 1970.

    • OlyaPola
      August 24, 2019 at 07:44

      “.. seeking simplicity leads to misrepresentations including “mis-interpretations” of the statements of others facilitating enmazement in amazement that “NGO’s” were not expelled earlier. “

      Foreigners often conflate the Russian Federation with Moscow and sometimes also with St. Petersburg, as was the case during the 1990’s, which afforded opportunities to others including but not restricted to the Mr. Yeltsin/Mr. Zhirinovsky roadshow, since imaginings such as “https://journal-neo.org/2019/08/23/the-liberal-order-began-by-embracing-russia-now-they-want-revenge/” were quite prevalent among scribes but not shared by practitioners who understood “that a state of war continued to exist” and that there was limited purpose in “educating scribes”.

      Neither omniscience nor perfection are ever possible but the link below may offer some illumination even if viewed through “Western spectacles”.

      https://therealnews.com/stories/russias-anti-govt-protests-draw-large-crowds-but-putin-remains-secure

      the tagline and framing reducing the assay of “knowledge”.

    • OlyaPola
      August 24, 2019 at 09:04

      ““Reliance on projection is always strategically unwise although very popular. “

      “https://www.rt.com/business/467175-bank-england-synthetic-reserve-currency/”

      More flailing in the ocean.

  30. Mistaron
    August 20, 2019 at 14:40

    The author sees no gain in Epstein being kept alive. I’m surprised that this is the case…

    Epstein would have arranged some exceptional insurance with names, documentation, video, in the event of his death, of that you can be assured.

    As there has not been a data dump of any kind since his ‘death’, I’m making an informed guess that Mr Epstein is not dead at all, he is still in control of that ‘insurance’, and that it is in everyone’s interest he secretly be spirited away with a suicided body in place for closure, quite possibly arranged by Deep State, and FBI/CIA/Mossad.

    When you think about the cover-up around JFK, during and after his assassination, particularly the autopsy, this eventuality is definitely plausible.

    I doubt very, very few of these influential ‘friends’, including many in governmental positions, would have welcomed the death of this man who was in possession of, and the means to, release a wealth of unassailable evidence should he meet an untimely end, which would prove their perverse and illegal proclivities.

    As yet, no data dump. Suspicious, no?

    Much of what we are being told is obfuscation, contradiction and misdirection, much like JFK and 9/11. The ‘suicide’ verdict ties a bow on it, just look at the MSM’s unquestioning acceptance and parroting of this narrative, accompanied by just a hint of coy allusions to some provocative, shadowy and unprovable ‘conspiracy’ of murder covertly thrown out there to keep the naysayers occupied.

    With Epstein safe, protected and alive, there’s little chance that definitive proof against his ‘co-conspirators’ will ever be released, and that’s the way they want it.

    • hetro
      August 20, 2019 at 18:00

      Recommended: go to CN Live last weekend and the Whitney Webb segment starting at approx. 1 hour 19. The problem with the “he got away” idea takes us first of all to why was he arrested in the first place. This is a good question we don’t yet have a solid grasp on. He’d already done his time (sweetheart deal that it was) so why again. This alone vies against the he got away theory. We don’t know WHY he was re-arrested, following a series of articles in The Miami Herald last fall drawing attention to him again. Whitney Webb and Joe Lauria discuss this problem in interesting ways..

      Whitney indicates that it’s possible Epstein had become a liability much the way Robert Maxwell became a liability, despite all the support he had and a state funeral with numerous dignitaries expressing honorable regrets etc., and that Maxwell’s death is now largely suspected as murder. Could Ep have become a similar type of liability is the consideration, with Whitney suggesting several people she’s been talking to favoring this view.

      For example, she points out Epstein and Ehad Barak have been great friends for decades, and Barak in his current struggles with Netanyahu for leadership of Israel could have been, or could have felt, compromised by Epstein. As to Joe’s question on was the move on Epstein related to a further attempt to take down Trump, she responded the problem with that is Epstein’s web is so tangled with both parties a lot of people would come down along with Trump.

      Additionally, there’s also the problem that Epstein still alive, disguised or not and living the high life in Saudi Arabia or wherever, would still be a problem, the man who knew too much, and who would continue to know too much (black book in hip pocket?–:)). So this idea he got away sounds good for a novel maybe, but the reality seems more complex and tangled. Reading Whitney Webb’s series also indicates “the tangled web we weave” etc. to a staggering amount of corruption within The System goes back decades.

    • Marko
      August 21, 2019 at 18:37

      “The problem with the “he got away” idea takes us first of all to why was he arrested in the first place. This is a good question we don’t yet have a solid grasp on. ”

      If you view the entire operation as a school play from the start , meaning from his first arrest and imprisonment in Florida , it makes perfect sense.

      You have to maintain the kabuki theater of a functioning and fair justice system acting on behalf of the victims. After Florida , they may have suspected the storm had largely passed. When it became clear that the victims would continue to pursue justice in the courts , a way was conceived to end the saga once and for all. Thus , Epstein’s arrest and the potential switcheroo. The MCC provides just the sort of controlled environment needed to fake a death. And none of those videos or other sorts of compromising evidence will ever see the light of day , which was the ultimate goal from day one.

      I , like most , believe he’s probably dead. Unlike Curtin , however , I wouldn’t be the least surprised if we somehow find out he is not.

    • hetro
      August 21, 2019 at 19:59

      I have some problems with the he got away theory, not only due to its total lack of any supporting evidence but also in terms of plausibility. I think it’s not as plausible as other possibilities. And again the question is why was he re-arrested? They did not have to do that if the scenario was moving according to plan, and you know as mice and men and Steinbeck reminded us, things do ago astray, even if there was such a grand plot. (Besides the inevitable role of egos under stress.) Let’s add to the CN Live interview as at the end of the discussion, talk again went to why he was arrested question:

      We may have forgotten the first attack on him (“suicide a”), which he claimed was the case, and was reported to have said “Somebody’s trying to kill me.” He was also reported “upbeat” for some reason, then Whitney indicated from one of her sources that he was looking into cooperation with the government on his information. Not the least on this, which we all did not know, and somehow Whitney knows, a battle is going on inside the intelligence agencies, which might explain why he was re-arrested following the sensational articles coming out of The Miami Herald, and Mike Cernovich.

      It’s reasonable/plausible that people on the long celebrity list were getting nervous, as with Prince Andrew et al. Then we move on to this very peculiar scenario, fit for an Oliver Stone movie, with “suicide b.”

    • hetro
      August 21, 2019 at 20:02

      sorry: “suicide a” which he claimed was NOT the case . . .

  31. robert e williamson jr
    August 20, 2019 at 14:27

    One of my personal failings is that I have so little fear of the establishment.

    If you are going to change things it will get deadly ,these people must know they are NOT feared.

    In the light of day they are all naked.

    I stand by what I commented earlier. My solace is knowing that at least one person read it. Like Justin King at the Fifth Column says ideas stand on their own, success or failure.

    Besides I can still see the big picture.

    • OlyaPola
      August 20, 2019 at 16:50

      Some understand they are feared by some and that the sum of some is of “limited significance”.

      Hence iterations of round and round the garden danced the teddy bears including “new think tanks”.

  32. F. G. Sanford
    August 20, 2019 at 14:21

    Details that shock still emerge. Intelligence assets converge.
    There are hints of foul play that just won’t go away,
    And conspiracy theories resurge!

    Just ignore all Jack Ruby’s connections. Those stories are merely deflections.
    Tricky Dick payed him well, when he threatened to tell,
    Jack claimed he got cancer injections!

    They needed a secret backwater. A place to hide Joe Stalin’s daughter.
    The family estate of Ruth Paine worked out great,
    But that link didn’t seem to hold water!

    Allen Dulles had many a tryst. Another Paine topped off his list.
    But don’t dig too deep in a Nietzschean leap,
    Such theories are rightly dismissed!

    Don’t bother connecting the dots. You’ll have yourself tied up in knots.
    The string that you’d need would be quite long indeed,
    The guilty are covered with spots!

    The evidence gets a sequester. They’ve got pictures of every molester.
    That safe that they cracked in New York was just packed,
    Now it’s classified where it will fester!

    The case will not likely be solved. That’s because of the big-shots involved.
    Fools will x-ray the ground for what’s already found,
    The cement truck diversion resolved.

    They’ll never release any files. They are classified pending denials.
    Dershowitz is relieved and Prince Andrew reprieved,
    Cash payouts will stifle the trials!

    Folks won’t look at what’s right in their faces. It works just the same in all cases.
    Ghislaine like Ruth Pain will get legerdemain,
    All the good stuff will stay in safe places!

    They covered up Epstein for years. Never mind all the tragic young tears.
    So now in a pinch, you think they might flinch,
    And endanger those stellar careers?

    The Iran-Contra fixer is clever. He’s certain to pull every lever.
    All the classified dirt is a cinch to subvert,
    They’ll just keep it a secret forever!

    It’s been fifty six years since the coup. But the truth never seems to pull through.
    With each turn of the screw, magic bullets accrue,
    And Americans can’t find a clue!

    • Moneycircus
      August 20, 2019 at 14:56

      Beyond compare. Poetry and critical thinking combined! A new genre?

    • Michael Niemi
      August 20, 2019 at 17:30

      It is called doggerel and has a long, sometimes scurrilous history.

    • NewsView
      August 20, 2019 at 19:47

      I second that. @F. G. Sanford do you have a website?

    • Ben Trovato
      August 20, 2019 at 21:34
    • August 20, 2019 at 15:12

      I for one, unlike some of those below, are quite interested in knowing who did Epstein in, and how it was done. The lack of questioning of the authorities, the coverup of the death site, the explanation why E was left alone the night before his death…the questions go on and on. No one can stop global warming. Maybe a little light on conspiracies might make some of us feel better.

    • ML
      August 20, 2019 at 17:36

      I agree phillip sawicki. A light shone, always makes us feel lighter. Justice, truth, and honesty are in the lock-up… one of the many reasons I read Consortium News, because feeling lighter is sometimes all one can hope for. Great poem by the way, F. G. Sanford. You always make me feel light of heart.

    • Tom Kath
      August 20, 2019 at 20:48

      F.G. you are an oracle!

    • August 21, 2019 at 06:09

      Fantastic! Take a bow

  33. jdbartram
    August 20, 2019 at 14:16

    There are a lot of words in this article, but I can’t figure out what the point is supposed to be. Because things like this have happened before with JFK, RFK, MLK and we don’t know precisely what happened, but only that it couldn’t have been what we were told, are we supposed to shrug and move on?

    It’s pretty clear to me that MSM like the New York Times want us to believe that it was incompetence that permitted him to commit suicide and once a few suckers have been punished it will be all over. Well, many people don’t believe that, but I don’t understand what Edward Curtin thinks they should do. Should we stop talking and reading about Epstein? Are we somehow aiding and abetting the CIA or Mossad or whoever by being curious about this subject? Why does Mr. Curtin describe this interest as “pseudo-debates”?

    I’m sure there is a point Mr. Curtin is trying to make, but so far I’ve missed it. Help?

    • Bart Hansen
      August 20, 2019 at 14:56

      Circuses are in the media to distract us from what has been going on for many decades. Epstein is just one more sideshow. The great post above yours sums it up well.

      Read Whitney Webb’s pieces. A new chapter is coming out soon.

    • nom de pleb
      August 20, 2019 at 16:42

      jdbartram
      August 20, 2019 at 14:16

      “…are we supposed to shrug and move on? […] Why does Mr. Curtin describe this interest as “pseudo-debates”?”

      Overall, I thought this article made some good observations. But I also had a few takeaway questions similar to your own. Like you, I think Mr. Curtin could have made himself clearer on this point.

      I chose to interpret his point basically as; Always consider the materiality of any one question/issue in relation to the implications of the broader (i.e., more significant) issue(s). Or simply, don’t let yourself get bogged down in the spin of lesser issues. That being said, one would have to give any somewhat probable issue a modicum of deliberation in order to properly classify it as a lesser issue. Not to mention, an issue that might seem insignificant early on might turn out to be of great importance as subsequent events reveal themselves.

      After all, Mr. Curtin has the luxury of being so confident about the dubious official narratives surrounding JFK, RFK, MLK precisely because others have taken the time to separate the wheat from the chaff over time. A process I’m sure that included reasoning through what turned out to be “pseudo-debates.”

      Anyway, I enjoyed this article very much. Thank you Mr. Curtin!

    • August 21, 2019 at 09:49

      Incompetence is claimed only when the truth is worse.

  34. August 20, 2019 at 13:36

    It doesn’t matter if we know, don’t know, believe we know or any other cognitive possibilities no elites will face justice leaving us to deal with our anger and frustration.

  35. worldblee
    August 20, 2019 at 13:28

    Ultimately, the question that will not be discussed in polite society is what is the larger web of organized crime and “intelligence” operations of which Epstein was merely a cog? As Curtin says, it’s less about how did he die and more who did he work for–and are they still continuing with business as usual?

    • Moneycircusr
      August 20, 2019 at 15:00

      Well, the FBI has been corrupt since the day its masonic founder danced in a blue mini skirt with young boys in the Plaza Hotel.

      Has the FBI ever been taken seriously outside of TV serials?

      Has that ever hurt it?

  36. teresa smith
    August 20, 2019 at 12:52

    Quite sad that most folks will be content to find the scapegoat, try the scapegoat, and have the scapecoat serve time as that will solidify their belief that justice is served. The majority, as the author points out, will never broach the subject of CIA/Mossad or other bandit organizations involvement as time will pass and more sordid headlines will entice them. We have been led down this path of 8 second attention spans for a reason, which should be clear to readers of this news outlet and a handful of others. The likes of Google, Facebook do the bidding for these nefarious groups with algorithms aimed at re-looping us into mainstream nonsense and making it tedious and cumbersome to search for anything other than their own narrative reporting of the truth. Sadly, again, it is so blatantly obvious to anyone who seeks alternative sources as Google turns YouTube into just another search of MSM videos. The de-monitization of contributor’s videos based on single words is alarming.

  37. Larry Payne
    August 20, 2019 at 12:12

    If Epstein was an agent of CIA/Mossad, it would make perfect sense that he was switched out with a look-a-like. If those in control of CIA/Mossad operations murder their own agents, it would send tremors throughout their spy networks. Recruiting new assets might become very difficult as a result.

    • Larry Payne
      August 20, 2019 at 16:16

      Yes, Helga, Epstein probably joins the ranks of Enron’s Ken Lay and Timothy McVeigh. McVeigh was an intelligence asset working with other spooks from Elohim City, OK.

    • August 21, 2019 at 04:14

      No tremors. Most people who get in tangled in these webs know it’s risky. It’s probably in part what gets them involved in the first place. Gathering dirt can be used against anyone who turns the corner and decides to side with the masses. Also it can be used in house as debates on how to maintain power rages among the elites themselves……Larry Flint’s efforts come to mind in relation to Clinton/Lewinsky. He tried to defend Clinton and the Democrats by announcing publically he would spend his money digging sexual dirt on Republicans. Free Speech is of course his bag and the Dems offer him more room for pornography sales. He took down Bob Livingston who was in line to be speaker of the house, saying his exploits made “Clinton look like a boy scout” (bit of a weird analogy really haha )….then silence. Both sides obviously said this has got to stop. Flynt must have been received special visitors…..Interesting that the special prosecutor, Ken Starr is involved in the Epstein affair too….

    • August 21, 2019 at 04:35

      Larry Flynt was probably working as a CIA asset all along. Flynt throws one from the other side under the bus….Even Steven….now it ends.

  38. Brent Anderson
    August 20, 2019 at 12:09

    Prince Andrew hung out with Epstein because he made a good tuna on rye. We are all conditioned to accept that powerful people do not have to go to jail. Its just the way it is and will always remain so. There is not an honest person anywhere on planet earth who believes that Bill Clinton and the others did not have sex with “those girls”. America and the west are morally corrupt piles of garbage. No wonder the African Americans and others rage against an unbalanced system of justice. Actually it is just poor people of any color who get the book thrown at them. I saw the pictures yesterday on the telegraph of the young blond girl leaving Epsteins Manhattan home with Prince Andrew poking his head out the door. The girl looked like she was no older than 14. The dear old Queen doesn’t represent justice either.

  39. Vera Gottlieb
    August 20, 2019 at 11:29

    Just curious…will the Epstein saga be as prolonged and boring as the Russiagate saga???

    • Litchfield
      August 20, 2019 at 14:00

      I don’t think so.

      It is in the interest of the puppetmeister to let thing die out ASAP.
      Not so the Russiagate hoax: the idea was to prolong it in the hopes of finally finding a smoking gun of some kind.
      With the Epstein story we are awash in smoking guns, but they are being ignored.

    • Litchfield
      August 20, 2019 at 14:32

      I don’t think so.

      It is in the interest of the puppetmeisters to let the Epstein mess—all aspects of it—die out ASAP.
      Not so the Russiagate hoax: the idea was to prolong it in the hopes of finally finding a smoking gun of some kind and “getting” Trump.
      With the Epstein story we are awash in smoking guns, but they are being ignored or even denied (suicide/murder?). The classic “Move on, nothjing to see here,” although large swaths of the populatoin now know that there IS something to see here, and they want to see it. Hence the furious deployment of the “conspiracy theory” meme. To shame the dissidents who are not buying the official narrative.

      As to who wins this game of chicken—TPTB and its paid-for MSM, or the public—only time will tell. We must do all we can to keep the pressure on.

    • Ikallicrates
      August 21, 2019 at 09:33

      The ‘suicide’ of Epstein was a dress rehearsal for the ‘suicide’ of Assange.

  40. robert e williamson jr
    August 20, 2019 at 11:23

    My apologies to Ms. Snyder, My post should have read Susan J Leslie FYI.

    Making mistakes everyday of my life I’m batting a 1000!

  41. OlyaPola
    August 20, 2019 at 11:23

    “These phrases are bandied about so often that they have become hackneyed and inane. “

    OlyaPola
    August 18, 2019 at 09:39

    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    “Perhaps “widening” in conjunction with increased “rigour” would prove more
    illuminating ? “

    Visiting theatres is a popular pursuit and scripts are regularly edited to maintain
    audience uptake for such performances.

    Theatres can be prone to fire and hence resort to protective measures such as iron
    curtains and insurance policies is also popular.

    Insurance policies tend to limit cover and be subject to conditions including
    premiums.

    Some edits are of varying assay as below in response to: Archie August 15, 2019 at
    03:37

    OlyaPola August 17, 2019 at 06:39 presently being edited with an assay of 100 %.

    “Mr. Achilles had two heels where as the opponents have many. “

    “…. including but not restricted to hypotheses enmazed in framing akin to “2nd
    level binary”.

    http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/JohnBatchelorShow/~3/UP4rfbXD73Y/7344 517

    http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/JohnBatchelorShow/~3/dqbPFLV82Uc/7344
    516”

    Further examples of emulation with insurance likely include but are not limited to:

    https://therealnews.com/stories/new-israeli-military-strategies-for-annexation-andundermining-
    palestinian-identity

    “Mr. Achilles had two heels where as the opponents have many. “

    since “assets” can be rendered “liabilities” including by virtue of being
    framed/perceived as “assets”.

    “These phrases are bandied about so often that they have become hackneyed and inane. “

    OlyaPola
    August 18, 2019 at 09:39

    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    robert e williamson jr

    August 19, 2019 at 09:39

    Archie, thank you so very much!

  42. Betty
    August 20, 2019 at 11:21

    I think the only solution is to elect ONLY women to political office.

    • Rob
      August 20, 2019 at 14:38

      Yeah, great women like Indira Gandhi, Margaret Thatcher, Hillary Clinton and Gina Haspel, because all women are kind and honest.

    • John Wright
      August 20, 2019 at 16:03

      Are you under the impression that women can’t be corrupted?

      While I would love to see more women in real positions of power, I can give you several examples of very corrupt women either presently in office or recently kept from returning to office.

      The solution is to fix our corrupt electoral process, elect people that are not already beholden to the corrupt corporate elites, force them to pass laws which get money out of politics, force them to pass laws that require 100% transparency in government, and force them to take away the power to create money from private bankers and create publicly controlled central banks.

      That’s just a good beginning which can be done by both men and women who are clearly not corrupt.

      To get this started, we need to stop allowing ourselves to be divided by wedge issues, come together and shut the country down with a series of national strikes while occupying Washington DC and most state capitals.

      Yes, women are very important to regain control over our evermore corrupt country; but no more or less important than men, people of color or people who don’t fit “traditional” identity categories.

      We’re all in this mess together, after all.

      Be well, and see you in the street, sister!

    • ML
      August 20, 2019 at 17:47

      Uh, no, I don’t think that would cut it, Betty. Women can be every bit as retrograde, power-hungry, untrustworthy, and untruthful as men. People are people, no matter their sex. And too many people have a jagged, gaping hole where their conscience should be.

  43. Tony
    August 20, 2019 at 11:18

    Lyndon Johnson was behind the assassination of President Kennedy as books by the likes of Philip F. Nelson and others clearly show. The CIA did help as did the Secret Service which refused to protect the president.

    The assassination of MLK was not a CIA operation as far as I can tell. It was, according to William Pepper’s book, an FBI operation.

    The assassination of RFK used Sirhan Sirhan as a ‘Manchurian candidate’. That strongly suggests a CIA operation.

    Was President Johnson involved? Almost certainly. He worked very closely with Hoover for many years. Hoover’s dossier on JFK was crucial in LBJ forcing JFK to take him as his running mate and to sack his actual choice of Senator Stuart Symington back in 1960.

    Hoover also persuaded Gerald Ford to falsify JFK’s autopsy report to make it look like he was killed by a lone gunman.

    RFK survived for 26 hours after being shot which gives a valuable clue as to who may have been ultimately responsible:

    ‘Is he dead yet? Is he dead yet?’ According to one of Jo Califano’s books, President Johnson repeatedly asked him that question in the aftermath of the shooting.

    Incidentally, Nixon got to know all about this and that is why Ford pardoned him over Watergate.

  44. August 20, 2019 at 11:04

    Excellent summary. Thank you Professor Curtin and Consortium News. I particularly liked the kudos to the fine work of Whitney Webb and MintPress News.

    One thing notably missing from both official and media accounts is basic description (including photos) of the jail cell, autopsy, visitors to Epstein. These omissions spell cover-up and degradation of basic institutions.

  45. August 20, 2019 at 11:03

    Ed Curtain has framed perhaps the most outstanding narrative on what is taking place today amongst the corridors of power that rule this country and the world. His warning to look more deeply “behind the curtain” cannot be more important that it is today. Cord Meyer, an architect of the CIA’s Operation Mockingbird in the 1950s, lies more naked than ever in this den of thieves and murderers.

    “Fundamentally,” said the former CIA Counter Intelligence Chief James Jesus Angleton near his deathbed, “the founding fathers of U.S. intelligence were liars. The better you lied and the more you betrayed, the more likely you would be promoted. These people attracted and promoted each other. Outside of their duplicity, the only thing they had in common was a desire for absolute power. I did things that, in looking back on my life, I regret. But I was part of it and loved being in it. . . . Allen Dulles, Richard Helms, Carmel Offie, and Frank Wisner were the grand masters. If you were in a room with them, you were in a room full of people that you had to believe would deservedly end up in hell.”

    “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false,” said CIA Director William Casey at an early February 1981 meeting of the newly elected President Reagan with his new cabinet secretaries.

    (https://www.quora.com/Did-CIA-Director-William-Casey-really-say-Well-know-our-disinformation-program-is-complete-when-everything-the-American-public-believes-is-false)

    • OlyaPola
      August 21, 2019 at 03:42

      ““We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false,” said CIA Director William Casey”

      Mr. Casey had a popular Achilles heel – the attempted conflation of “American” and relevant.

      This remains a popular Achilles heel.

  46. robert e williamson jr
    August 20, 2019 at 11:03

    Oh by the way, my hat is off to both Mr. Curtain and Ms. Webb, thank you both so very much for caring about others.

  47. robert e williamson jr
    August 20, 2019 at 11:02

    Sally Snyder FYI

    Read my post and this article again. You will never stop climate change as long as the perverts discussed are calling all the shots. And believe me they are calling the shots.

    You need to become much more aware of your immediate surroundings. CIA and MOSSAD are two groups responsible for the black mail of the human race by state sponsored nuclear blackmail.

    Seem impossible? Such is the work of saving the planet, impossibly difficult but mandatory, no exceptions but first things first.

    Who do you think ultimately controls word banking? If your answer is anything but the Deep State you need to read much more on the topics discussed here. Remember it is truly as Mr. Curtain states in his article about Ms. Webb, she has used only openly sourced material. If one wants to find excuses for not joining the fray fine, but everything discussed here is available to the public.

    This entire sorted saga is not unlike a horribly disfigured human face and form, no matter why it happened or how, the first impulse is to look away because our senses are assaulted. If we intend to save ourselves it is going to take the toughness needed to endure horrible realities and the time to do this is now.

    • OlyaPola
      August 21, 2019 at 03:20

      “the black mail of the human race by state sponsored nuclear blackmail.”

      The opponents encourage the conflation of attempt with achievement.

      Some “believe” in this conflation whilst others know that such attempt is risible; the key variables tending to be agency and facility.

      Avoiding absolutes, conflations and projections has advantages, whilst not avoiding absolutes, conflations and projections has advantages.

      Avoiding perceiving interpretation as reality has advantages, whilst not avoiding perceiving interpretation as reality has advantages.

      The salient question is “To which purpose?” where purposes are not binary.

  48. robert e williamson jr
    August 20, 2019 at 10:44

    Like I have been saying for months, “Think Bigger!”

    We already know what happened to the late J Epstein he got caught and paid with his life. But we must understand why he got caught and not so much how. How important is it to know immediately what will eventually come out anyway?

    If you touch your nose to the page in a book you cannot read it. It’s only when you back away do the words, and in this case the complete picture come into view.

    Instantaneous communications at the speed of light and computer technology (it is a memory thing you know) are out-stripping the perverse secrecy used by CIA, Mossad and the other human driven scourges of the earth. SEE the ICIJ Panama Papers and the Paradise Papers. ICIJ is a talented group focused on the big picture I believe.

    It is time to string-up these vicious bastards for if any group ever deserved to be lynched it is them. They don’t want any trials, that is fine with me. Their convictions should come from exposing the history of their acquisition of wealth, personal and business ties. Their justice the same as they dish out, quick, without mercy and violent.

    These monsters need to be doggedly pursued by U.S. special forces until they no longer exist. Finally the world would reap at least some benefit for the existence of state sponsored hired killers.

    If there is really any hope for humanity it’s time to focus on overthrowing the rich and powerful.

    It’s time for the public to see what Billy Barr is made of and pound him with letters, phone calls, emails and petitions for action.

    • Kathleen
      August 21, 2019 at 13:56

      We already know what “Billy Barr is made of” because he belongs to the same Roy Cohn/pedo-blackmail system as Epstein did. And the “U.S. special forces” are just as involved in covering up the deep state pedo-blackmail system as the CIA and FBI have always done.
      Let us “pound” ourselves with pressure to stop trusting corporate-owned media and to stop voting for ALL of them. Time to demand ourselves and all so-called “activist” groups to put the Green Party into all our public offices instead, and close the curtain on the Dem/Repub puppet show for good.

  49. TimN
    August 20, 2019 at 10:04

    A fine article, but after all these years, I’m convinced by the available evidence that Oswald did indeed murder JFK. You give the CIA and the FBI too much credit. They’re very often bunglers, as we saw and are seeing in the Mueller Russia fiasco. No matter how often “bombshell” stories proved to be be utter bullshit, the press and desperate and therefore gullible liberals believed them, and still do. Anybody who saw even a little bit of Mueller’s testimony has to know they got played. But no matter. Mueller’s sad-eyed corpse came to life only when he began pushing the next conspiracy : the Russians are still going after us, and “probably ” hacked into the databases of all 50 states. As usual, no evidence given, and none asked for. The bitch is, it doesn’t matter that a jackass like John Brennan is a liar or half- bright. He’s gonna be believed by the Right People at the Right Time.

    • defiance demon
      August 21, 2019 at 02:01

      A voice of clarity and sanity! Thank you TimN! I’m not being the least bit sarcastic here. As a younger man, my choice of conspiracy theory on the JFK assassination was that the mafia was behind it. With age came a measure of maturity and the willingness to challenge my belief about the subject. What sealed my conviction that Lee Harvey Oswald did indeed kill Kennedy was Vincent Bugliosi’s outstanding book, “Four Days In November”, along with several equally outstanding television programs in the past 10 years or so convincingly debunking the favored conspiracy theories.

      There are people who will never accept that a loudmouth little punk like Oswald could be capable of, and carry out, such an atrocity. Americans seem to possess an overpowering psychological need to believe that the most heinous acts are carried out by the most scary of devils….. horns, claws, fangs, and all. I don’t expect to change anyone’s mind about the JFK assassination. But if you’re genuinely interested in the truth (or at least as close as we’ll probably ever get to it), then I challenge the honest doubters to read “Four Days In November”.

    • T
      August 26, 2019 at 11:57

      > then I challenge the honest doubters to read “Four Days In November”.

      And I challenge you to read the review of “Reclaiming History” (of which Four Days is a section) by Gary Aguilar — which praises the timeline of Four Days — at the Web site of the Mary Ferrell Foundation, and the other material at http://www.reclaiminghistory.org

    • Kathleen
      August 21, 2019 at 14:21

      Name call me all you want, but it is impossible for any thinking person to conclude that Oswald murdered John F. Kennedy because ALL of the Dallas ER doctors who worked hard to save JFK’s life state without a doubt that the bullet entered from the front, as did ALL the eye witnesses at the JFK shooting who all pointed at the grassy knoll, and then were picked off one by one in some rather strange deaths. Also, the car that JFK was shot in had bullet holes proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that the shots came from the front, so “they” -the deep state- confiscated and destroyed the car so that no members of the public would see it. You cannot deny that this is hard evidence of a cover-up (no different than the media’s refusal to even mention the govt’s refusal to allow the public to see the 24/7 video footage of the outside of Epstein’s cell).
      Lastly, the Zapruder film showing the final shot into JFK’s head “moving back and to the left”was with-held by the CIA for eleven years!!! We all know that had that Zapruder film to the public immediately after the murder, instead of the deep state’s pre-planned “Oswald did it” propaganda, we’d be living in a vastly different world by now and people like MLK, RFK, and Fred Hampton would certainly be alive today.
      The only stupid conspiracy theorist today is someone who still believes that the deep state is there to protect us all from the bad guys. There is no such thing as a person who is not a conspiracy theorist of some sort. Some conspiracy theorists prefer to believe conspiracy theories that have no evidence -that the deep state is looking out for our best intererts “because the govt says so.” But others, like myself, choose to believe the conspiracy theories that have actual evidence -that the deep state is clearly NOT looking out for our best interests

    • defiance demon
      August 21, 2019 at 22:20

      Could you provide sources and links, please?

    • defiance demon
      August 21, 2019 at 22:41

      I consider myself a thinking person and I do conclude Lee Harvey Oswald shot and killed JFK. To be clear, I’m not defending any government agency. My interest is in knowing the truth, as closely as its possible to get and Bugliosi’s book does just that. If you’re truly an honest doubter and have the courage of your convictions then you shouldn’t be afraid to read the evidence Bugliosi presents.

    • Tony
      August 22, 2019 at 08:23

      The Zapruder footages shows JFK reacting to a shot from the front and then came the fatal head shot. This was also from the front.

      Oswald could not possibly have fired those shots as he was behind the president in the book depository.

    • defiance demon
      August 22, 2019 at 19:45

      What is your proof? CREDIBLE sources and links would be helpful.

    • Tony
      August 23, 2019 at 08:20

      The footage I have described is here:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydYBin_6pvk

  50. Dan D.
    August 20, 2019 at 09:34

    If there is no trial and further revelations about the nature of this operation, which should be expected, it won’t simply be because Epstein is dead, but because there will be no prosecution of the central operational cog in the gang, Ghislaine Maxwell, or her cohorts named in the fantastic settlement agreement. There are more than sufficient facts in the public sphere to proceed.

  51. August 20, 2019 at 09:22

    Right on Mr. Curtin. Government, corporations and other mafia types collude to control the minds, the money and the resources of the world and that has not changed for thousands of years. What has changed is the technology to control the rest of us and the concentration of wealth in so few hands.

    My view is to educate people to what is going on and concentrate our energy and resources on local solutions.

    A few examples of changes needed…
    Reducing the expenditures of our governments on nuclear weapons and energy, military expenditures, toxic mining practices, spying on everyone, exorbitant profits on medicine, toxic agriculture, patenting everything, corporate welfare, corporate control of the media, a UN that is not a democracy, stop geoengineering, stop massive expenditures (space, science, military,…) till everyone has an affordable home and healthy food.

    A vision for a future for all…Some examples:
    A goal of equality for all and the freedom to choose…the antithesis of the oligarchy.

    Budgets that are focused on and for the people…Adequate and affordable housing, healthy organic food, food sovereignty wherever possible, respect for nature, benign energy solutions, mass transit, and end to monopolies, a restriction to patenting everything, learning to live with less, learning to make and fix things, smaller cities,
    less cars, more walking and bike paths, a voice for the voiceless, a sense of community,

    Sounds impossible but it starts with a vision, action and a belief that we are ‘All one tribe, including the rest of life’.

  52. Bob Van Noy
    August 20, 2019 at 09:07

    “It is a mind game of extraordinary proportions, orchestrated by the perverted power elites who run the show and are abetted by their partners in the corporate mass media, even some in the alternative press who mean well but are confused, or are disinformation agents in the business of sowing confusion together with their mainstream Operation Mockingbird partners.”

    “The CIA is organized crime,…”

    Edward Curtin has summarized our contemporary hell as few others can. In the above comments he fully describes our dilemma and underscores the necessity for sites like Consortiumnews to present the truth for citizens to be able to sort truth from lies. Still we cannot forget that our democracy is “a criminal conspiracy”…

    https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKmockingbird.htm

    • Mike Perry
      August 20, 2019 at 13:52

      Great comment Bob!!

      I was thinking this past weekend that I ‘am grateful that a Woodstock 50, didn’t happen. The beauty of watching the footage from 69 event, and listening to the messages of the music, is that it was entirely about the flesh & blood people. .. And nothing at all to do the fictional bodies of property that ruled the planet of the day..

      If an event were to happen today, (.. maybe tie it with the August 26 -29, 1970 Isle Of Wight.. ) I would like to see something like doing it online, in order to involve all 7 continents. I ‘am wondering just how many languages would be simultaneously represented? .. Perhaps, over a 1000?

      .. And of course, no corporate recognition/sponsorship, whatsoever.

      .. I can see it now, “.. It shut down the internet!” (.. hahaa..)

      Bob, I thought that you would enjoy reading this. It is a transcript of how the (fundraiser, at that) liberals would talk 60 years ago. .. But, even 60 years ago, these words would still get ’em killed.
      https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/speech-senator-john-f-kennedy-cincinnati-ohio-democratic-dinner

      Bob, Thanks Again So Much For Everything!!

    • Bob Van Noy
      August 20, 2019 at 19:40

      Mike Perry thank you for the kind and knowledgeable response. Two thoughts, as I read your link I was struck by JFK’s insight. I think his personal War experience and natural inquisitiveness, was exactly what was called for in 1960. Young intellectual Americans were waking up to the injustice of what we now now as global corporatism. I think The President would eventually have figured out that support of local populations would be a better approach. As for those youngsters at Woodstock, it’s tough to watch in retrospect because they were seeking an escape from something they realized was wrong but had not yet formally identified. Their nearly limitless potential was corrupted but they didn’t yet know how or why. It has taken this long to properly identify The Problem…

  53. Jill
    August 20, 2019 at 08:47

    I actually believe knowing what happened to Epstein is knowable. It is also important because it will reveal who/what has the power to make such a thing happen. However, while this information will take a long time to come out it is our job to push on behalf of his victims right now.

    There is information showing that Maxwell and several other people committed multiple rapes of children. We do not see her, Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton and Donald Trump, just to name a few, hauled in for questioning. That really needs to happen. We have built up the powerful into untouchable icons. This needs to full stop now. These are not icons, they are potential and likely guilty child rapists of children. Our power system is held up by unspeakable cruelty to children and to others who simply don’t have the power to fight back unless we offer our support and services to them. There is enough testimony and other evidence to bring them in for questioning.

    The conspiracy to commit rape should be ready to go. Investigators have had that information for a long time. I’m not buying that they are too incompetent to move that case forward. We are going to need to push for this. Deliberate infliction of human misery is evil and it is not acceptable to create one’s society on such a thing.

    There is ground penetrating radar which can see under Jeff’s concrete pour. It can also show the tunnels on the islands. “Lost” evidence can be relocated from it’s undisclosed location. The ranch in NM can be sealed off and also scanned by this radar. No one should believe agencies with the resources of this government behind them are incapable of doing such things.

    In the meantime, there is a tape of Jeff’s wing from that night. There’s one from the hospital and the investigators can offer immunity to anyone guard or hospital/ambulance employee in exchange for their truthful explanation of what they were doing and what they saw. This was not a series of incompetent actions which all went one way and one way only. It took a lot of planning and a lot of resources. That means there are a lot of witnesses.

    We do need to uncover and dismantle this chain of human misery. No More.

    • ML
      August 20, 2019 at 11:27

      Excellent comment, Jill. As a family medicine nurse practitioner for many years, I have witnessed and helped many teen victims of adults who thought it somehow A-ok to sexually take advantage of them. I understand teen psychology. They are wholly unprepared to deal with the often underhanded tactics of pedophiles who use charm, deceit, threats, flattery, physical violence, tangible needed goods like money, clothing, or even a place to sleep, to get what they want— sex with a young person. It is truly evil and that is not too strong a word for it. Epstein apparently used all of these tactics on his victims. How I wish there were a hell for the likes of him.

    • August 20, 2019 at 15:07

      I learned about pedophiles way back in the early 1950s. He was a charming man who charmed a small circle of acquaintances and eventually charmed me into a bed in his apartment. At the last moment I found him repulsive and left the place, but the event has remained fresh in my memory.

    • Litchfield
      August 20, 2019 at 12:14

      I agree with all you say, and thanks for putting it so clearly.
      There is NO EXCUSE for this case NOT to go forward and for all the parties of interest to be interrogated, and not with velvet gloves on. Clinton, Andrew, Dersh, Wexner, Maxwell, just for starters.
      Possibly Barr should recuse himself, as he seems to be too intertwined with the Epstein background story.

    • August 20, 2019 at 12:42

      Is it really such a mystery what organizations acting together have the capability to have done this? They are identified in the article. The western coalition of intelligence agencies, which includes the Mossad along with NATO powers. In the USA, that includes the entire intelligence apparatus — CIA, NSA, MIA, FBI, Secret Service, as supported and defended by the DOJ. Which of those entities placed someone in the jail cell to crack his neck is somewhat immaterial. The current President and at least one former President were implicated, which justifies the use of the full arsenal in the minds of those involved, as a “threat to national security,” which of course means strictly “threat to the profits of certain entities.”

    • August 20, 2019 at 13:34

      It doesn’t matter if we know, don’t know, believe we know or any other cognitive possibilities no elites will face justice leaving us to deal with our anger and frustration.

    • Jill
      August 21, 2019 at 13:38

      Robert,

      You may very well be correct. Here is my point. If we don’t try we can be 100% certain of the outcome you lay out.

      If we do try, it may be only a small chance of success, but it is still a chance. We have nothing to lose by trying and everything to gain.

    • OlyaPola
      August 22, 2019 at 04:43

      “It doesn’t matter if we know, don’t know, believe we know or any other cognitive possibilities..”

      However it does matter in various ways not shared by all, that you visit the theatre and remember to buy your “ticket”.

  54. Zhu
    August 20, 2019 at 08:33

    That fact remains that a lot of conspiracy theories are loe quality fantasy fiction, refkecting the tellers fantasues and prejudices.

    • Richard A Kean
      August 20, 2019 at 11:44

      Dream on… WakeUp

  55. August 20, 2019 at 08:16

    Why don’t we talk about things in depth that REALLY matter – Like climate change for instance?

    • Litchfield
      August 20, 2019 at 18:12

      This seems to me to be a clueless comment.
      Epstein was part of a nexus that drives USA and other policy—policies that citizens do not want, that do not help any of the planet’s citizens (of all species) except the warmongering elites. We cannot solve any planetwide problems as long as our and the earth’s resources are being wasted on war and calamity.

      Leaders who come forward to try to work for the common good are sidelined in many, many ways by this deadly cabal. Without genuinely visionary human leaders to stop the obvious and terrifying downward spiral we are witnessing today on all fronts and lead humanity in a direction of survival, Earth as we know it is doomed. Earth will survive and has time—hundreds of thousands and millions of years—to recover.

    • OlyaPola
      August 21, 2019 at 03:31

      “policies that citizens do not want, that do not help any of the planet’s citizens (of all species) except the warmongering elites.”

      Thank you for conflation of purpose and evaluations derived there from perhaps perceived by you as being for and on behalf (of all species).

    • OlyaPola
      August 21, 2019 at 03:26

      “Why don’t we talk about things in depth..”

      “Visiting theatres is a popular pursuit and scripts are regularly edited to maintain
      audience uptake for such performances.”

      which is a component of reasons not “the” reason.

  56. Sally Snyder
    August 20, 2019 at 08:00

    Here is a video showing the raid on Epstein’s Little St. James Island home:

    https://viableopposition.blogspot.com/2019/08/surveilling-epstein-fbi-raid-what-well.html

    Apparently, the “watchers” don’t like to be watched.

  57. Walter
    August 20, 2019 at 06:56

    There is sparse evidence and zero proof that the charming fellow committed suicide, and only claims (somebody said stuff) that he’s actually dead. (Same for his girlfriend’s dad, same for Skirpal – )

    Whitney Webb at Mintpressnews is doing good job on mr E.

    I have realtime image from facebk post transmitted about 0745 from a person at MMC saying he was there and thinks it was a swapout for a ringer.

    So does a pal who used to work at a federal joint…

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