Epstein’s Death & the Investigation of Powerful Networks

Craig Murray delves into allegations against Jeffrey Epstein and another suspicious death that the case recalls.  

By Craig Murray

There are a number of royal palaces and grand residences of former presidents and prime ministers where the inhabitants have a little bit more spring in their step following the death of Jeffrey Epstein. The media is rushing to attach the label “conspiracy theory” to any thought that his death might not have been suicide. In my view, given that so many very powerful people will be relieved he is no longer in a position to sing, and given that he was in a maximum-security jail following another alleged “suicide attempt” a week ago, it would be a very credulous person who did not view the question of who killed him an open one.

There has been a huge amount of obfuscation and misdirection on the activities of Epstein and his set. To my mind, the article which remains the best starting point for those new to the scandal is this one from Gawker. 

A few days ago a federal court unsealed 2,000 pages of documents related to the allegations against Epstein. Of these the most important appears to be a witness statement from Virginia Giuffre alleging that while a minor she had sex at Epstein’s direction with then Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell and former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, plus a variety of senior foreign politicians.

Epstein’s sexual activities and partying with young girls were carried out in full view of key friends, his domestic and office staff, his pilots and of course the participants. There is no shortage of potential witnesses. Several of these really ought to be taking great care – though if I were them I would certainly eschew any protection involving U.S. security services or law enforcement. Ghislaine Maxwell might take heed of her father’s fate and avoid swimming for a few years.

Jeffrey Epstein. (YouTube)

(I am probably not the only one old enough to compare the many similarities between Robert Maxwell’s asset stripping career and that of Philip Green. The progress of society after 30 years of Thatcher, New Labour and returned Tories meaning that Green by contrast got no criminal charges and much bigger yachts.)

Evidence Concerning Prince Andrew

In the U.K., Giuffre’s alleged relationship with Prince Andrew has been mentioned in the media. In fact the evidence that she had a relationship with Prince Andrew of some sort is overwhelming. Here is some of the actual evidence from the court documents.

The age of heterosexual consent in England is 16 and there is no indication that Prince Andrew is doing anything illegal in this photograph in which Giuffre is 17. Nor is the photo in itself evidence of sex, though it certainly is intimate. The notion however that Giuffre was “lent out” to Andrew may have legal implications as she was flown into the country, allegedly for the purpose.

No satisfactory alternative explanation has been offered as to what might have been happening here, as Giuffre’s lawyers noted.

No further details appear in the documents to amplify Giuffre’s claim that she was forced to have sex with a “well known prime minister,” other than to repeat the claim. But what is plain is that her tale is not entirely invention. Just how much more did Epstein know, and who might he have taken down with him?

Bill Clinton’s Epstein Connection 

The truth is that sexual abuse by the rich and famous transcends all political boundaries. Bill Clinton was very frequently on Epstein’s plane and Epstein joins the very long list of those connected to the Clintons who died in dubious circumstances.

Two coincidences – the first being the bruise marks on the neck sustained in Epstein’s first “suicide attempt” in jail – remind me of the case of John Ashe, the senior official very close to the Clintons who died with bruise marks on his neck, when he accidentally dropped his barbell on his throat while bench-pressing alone at home.

Ashe was charged and awaiting trial for receiving corrupt funds from businessman Ng Lap Seng while Ashe was serving in the USA’s turn as president of the UN General Assembly. Ng Lap Seng, a six-time visitor to the Clinton White House, had previously been accused of making very large illegal donations to Clinton campaign funds, and was subsequently arrested while entering the USA with over $4 million in cash. Unlike the Clintons, Ashe was charged with taking Seng’s money and rather like Epstein may have had an interesting song to sing while going down, had he not conveniently dropped the barbell on his throat.

I said that the first thing that jogged me to link the Epstein/Clinton and the Ashe/Clinton cases was the bruise marks on the throat. The second is that both stories have been debunked by self-proclaimed “conspiracy-busting” website Snopes – in a manner which shows that Snopes has no regard for the truth whatsoever.

In the case of John Ashe, Snopes wrote an utterly tendentious piece of “myth-busting” which stated that it was a myth that Ashe’s death occurred shortly before his trial and that he was not due to testify against the Clintons. Snopes failed to mention that Ashe, a very senior Clinton appointee, was charged with taking corrupt money from precisely the same man who had been very widely accused of giving corrupt money to the Clintons. And while it was true his trial was not imminent, his pre-trial deposition was. 

In the Epstein/Clinton case Snopes wrote a piece debunking the notion that this is a photograph of Bill Clinton on Epstein’s private jet.

Snopes sets out to prove that this is not Epstein’s private jet but that of another billionaire, and that the girl is not Rachel Chandler. For the sake of argument I am prepared to accept what they say on both counts. But is the sensible reaction to that photo to say “Oh that’s OK it’s another billionaire’s jet” or to say “Why is Bill Clinton on a billionaire’s private jet in an intimate pose with a worryingly young female?” As with the Prince Andrew photo, although it has been circulating for years, no alternative innocent explanation is on offer.

Passion for Sexual Exploitation

And the fact that this is another billionaire’s plane should open again the much wider question of networks of the rich and the powerful indulging each other’s passion for sexual exploitation of the young. It is a great shame that in the U.K., the Establishment has been able to characterize the falsifications of Carl Beech as discrediting the entire notion of historical child sexual abuse. It is as though one person making up stories about a bishop would mean there was never child exploitation in the Catholic Church.

The deeper question is why such a significant proportion of the rich and powerful have a propensity to want to assuage their sexual desires on the most vulnerable and powerless in society, as opposed to forming relationships among their peers. I suspect it is connected to the kind of sociopathy that leads somebody to seek or hoard power or wealth in the first place. 

It is not necessary to develop that idea further, to understand that the Epstein case had given us a glimpse of criminal sexual behavior which, beyond doubt, involves many powerful people. It is essential that the threads that can be grasped are now worked on assiduously to uncover the entire network. 

I am afraid to say I suspect the chances of that actually happening are very slim indeed.

Craig Murray is an author, broadcaster and human rights activist. He was British ambassador to Uzbekistan from August 2002 to October 2004 and rector of the University of Dundee from 2007 to 2010.

This article is from CraigMurray.org.uk.

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42 comments for “Epstein’s Death & the Investigation of Powerful Networks

  1. Bif Webster
    August 19, 2019 at 12:20
  2. Truth
    August 16, 2019 at 11:57

    2014 an onshore branch of Epstein(he is royal family also) was raided by local pd in Miami. Everyone interviewed id,d prince Andrew aas the “boss”. he was booked and a few hours later doj showed up & drove him to airport where he left the country. The lady in this article filed charges against Andrew for raping her at age 14 and after. A local Female judge said her testimony was irrelevant and had had her statements stricken from the records. All this was reported in Miami newspapers but the fake deep state media quashed it all.. I read all this in the papers there as it happened. these are facts.
    Epstein/Andrews activities went unchecked for over a decade as the operation contributed millions from their profits to local and state police and protected the elected who frequented this all pedophile operation, Hillary was also a customer.

  3. Zhu
    August 15, 2019 at 23:34

    It’s very noticeable that we Americans think sex worse than killing. Tens of millions have been “collateral damage” over my 60+ years. Nearly every president has had innocent blood on his hands. No one cares. But link someone of them to something sexual and we go hog wild!

    • August 18, 2019 at 14:14

      I agree one-hundred percent. The ending of one’s life is far worse a crime than unwanted sexual actions. Why is that so hard for people to grasp? As a woman, I can absolutely attest to that fact.

  4. August 15, 2019 at 21:07

    Perhaps he’s hanging out with Ken Lay of Enron who died rather conveniently and without much media interest.

  5. James Nelson
    August 15, 2019 at 13:39

    Famous people are asked to pose for pictures with others constantly. This is a rather thin reed to base a murder for hire charge. Let’s provide more information and less innuendo. The rich and famous have left many shallow graves in their wake that warrant investigative digging. I sometimes think this kind of diversion serves their interests

    • Bif Webster
      August 19, 2019 at 12:23

      True. However, why did the Clinton’s continue to do “business” with Epstein AFTER he was convicted?

  6. Thelma Annes de Araujo
    August 14, 2019 at 20:58

    Carol, I suggest you read the three parts of Whitney Webb’s report published by Mint Press. Here’s the link for Part III, where you can also find links for Part I and Part II. Part III is rather long but definitely worth reading in full. There you will find what you’re looking for… Enjoy!

  7. Bradley Anbro
    August 14, 2019 at 20:40

    Here is an interesting POSSIBILITY that many in the alternative media have suggested – maybe Epstein is not even dead! Who
    knows, other than the “insiders” who facilitated his “demise?” There could possibly have been a “double” who took the
    place of Epstein in the correctional facility, while Epstein was being whisked away, possibly to Israel.

    • Zhu
      August 15, 2019 at 22:36

      Space aliens hauled him off to Zeta Reticuli, to fill the same zoo holding Elvis, JFK, Ambrose Bierce… Evidence – myvown imp of the perverse!

  8. willliam driscoll
    August 14, 2019 at 20:36

    The real question for me is why these people do not just pay for high priced beautiful prostitutes of legal age rather than risk their reputation, standing in society and possible jail time and law suits rather than by satisfying their sexual desires on underage and vulnerable children. The only answer that comes to mind is that there are people out their that are willing to provide these children for free in exchange for favors of money, power, political policy or some gain from blackmail.

    I have dated fairly wealthy women and some that were lobbyists. I was surprised at the sense of entitlement from both the lobbyist and the veteran politicians in the way they did business. I understood quickly it was very much of the culture in the environment in which they worked. Every one was motivated to cower to each other for their own self interest whether it was maintaining or furthering their political career or enlarging their money interests by representing their clients that wanting to serve their own self interest in the political process.

    To me the whole underlying common denominator is that there is no accountability for their actions and because of it they are able to maintain there behavior without any risk of sacrifice.

    I remember in school the saying laws exist to prevent chaos in society, but it matters not if laws are enacted if they are not enforced to everyone equally. That statue of the lady of justice wearing a blindfold to represent justice equally for all I never seen in person but I have a feeling she is either a bundle of money behind her back or seeking a lucrative political appointment.

    • ML
      August 16, 2019 at 16:55

      William Driscoll, great points and I concur. As for whether Jeffrey Epstein is a “sex offender” or “pedophile” – the answer is a clear YES to both. However, several commenters on another article here about Epstein said he was not. They liken the fact that the legal age of consent “used to be” much younger, or is younger in other countries than America, etc… My gosh, are we back in the Middle Ages now in comparing how morally things stacked up then against the behavior of those today? I think the chief editor and Elizabeth Vos both agree that Epstein was indeed a pedophile and sex offender. Why people try and justify Epstein’s actions by basically discounting their young ages and besmirching the young girls he took advantage of so horribly, is beyond comprehension.

  9. John Drake
    August 14, 2019 at 20:13

    The fact that Slick Willy would let his picture be taken with his arm around that pathetic young girl shows how above the law and social norms he thinks he is. On the other hand, if Hillary sees it he might be in for another black eye from her.

    • Bradley Anbro
      August 14, 2019 at 20:43

      I doubt very much that Bill Clinton worries about what Hillary “thinks” — if she had any morals, she would have left him when
      the Monica Lewinsky affair became public. She didn’t — because she’s in it for the MONEY…

  10. Jeffrey Epstein
    August 14, 2019 at 17:57

    im alive lol

  11. Abe
    August 14, 2019 at 16:56

    Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein – video of 1992 Mar-a-Lago Party
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad1ysX2iLmA (party video starts at minute 2:00)

    This broadcast of MSNBC’s Morning Joe is absolutely begging for a Saturday Night Live opening skit with Mika (Kate McKinnon) and Joe (Alex Moffat) airing the Mar-a-Lago tape featuring Trump (Alec Baldwin).

    Wondering what SNL cast members would play Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein’s Mossad handler girlfriend, at the 1992 party.

    • Abe
      August 14, 2019 at 18:56

      Footage of Donald Trump partying with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in 1992 was shot by NBC as part of a segment on Faith Daniels’ talk show, “A Closer Look.”

      According to the Washington Post, the footage rebroadcast by NBC in July 2019 was part of 36 hours of footage taken of Trump for a 30-minute segment about the then newly divorced real-estate mogul.


      In an interview on the segment, Daniels said Trump was on the show because he had kissed her while her husband’s back was turned.

      “I don’t know why I’m even on the show except we want to get you good ratings,” Trump told Daniels in the interview.

      “How generous,” she responded as the audience laughed and booed. “Tell the rest of the story though.”

      Daniels recounted how Trump agreed to come on her show after he kissed her during a charity event in New York.

      “You kissed me on the lips in front of the paparazzi, and I said, ‘That’ll cost you — I’m booking you on the show,'” she told Trump.

      Trump described the kiss as “open and nice” and called Daniels a “fabulous woman,” to which Daniels lifted out of her chair and responded, “So open and nice? Wait a minute!”

      “Her husband is a handsome devil, I’ll tell you,” Trump said. “He’s a good guy. But I think he had his back turned at the time.” Daniels agreed.

      The Washington post article does not mention Maxwell, who appears in the 1992 Mar-a-Lago party video with Epstein and Trump.

      On July 2, 2019, the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit ordered the unsealing of documents from the earlier civil suit against Maxwell by Virginia Giuffre. Jeffrey Epstein was arrested on July 6, 2019 at Teterboro Airport in New Jersey and charged with sex trafficking and sex trafficking conspiracy.

      Maxwell requested a rehearing in a federal appeals court on July 17, 2019, in an effort to keep documents sealed that were part of a suit by Virginia Giuffre.

      On August 9, 2019 the first batch of documents were unsealed and released from the earlier defamation suit by Giuffre against Maxwell.

      Epstein was found dead on August 10, 2019.

  12. August 14, 2019 at 14:54

    Where are the pictures with trump & epstein? Why is trump not even mentioned on the list of the powerful people who came into epstein’s orbit?

  13. John
    August 14, 2019 at 13:15

    I’m beginning to think that the child abuse/rape aspect of this is a rite of passage for many of these powerful players. It’s a way to demonstrate to others and to oneself that one is part of the elite and therefore the normal rules don’t apply. Think of the rituals known to be performed by Yale’s Skull and Bones society: one such ritual involved grave robberies and desecration. It’s probably necessary to show beyond the pale behavior in order to truly be dealt into these groups.

    Sure, pedophilia exists in probably much larger numbers than are known, and many of these criminals are probably sexually attracted to children. But I wonder how much of this particular child rape is done simply to convince that one is elite.

    Most child sexual abusers seem to want to blend into the woodwork in areas where there is plenty of access to victims. These accused rich and famous are often well aware of the difficulties in keeping one’s privacy when famous. Yet they are almost flaunting their behavior and daring the little people to try to stop them.

    In this age of enormous personal wealth and massive insecurity for the vast majority, they don’t suffer from lack of authoritarian toadies and media climbers to insulate them from justice.

    • Suzuki
      August 14, 2019 at 17:18

      Sexual assaults, sometimes giving, sometimes receiving, are part of initiations for many gangs.

    • anon4d2
      August 14, 2019 at 21:41

      So the answer is to let them rape those among their opponents who can thereby bring them sown.

  14. Gregory Kruse
    August 14, 2019 at 12:39

    I have been reading the Iliad and the Odyssey in recent weeks and it is clear that one of the most powerful cravings of men, especially those in their later years, is sex with very young partners, another one being accumulation of great wealth. Throughout the books are stories of wealthy and famous men raiding cities to carry off the most beautiful young women and girls as spoils and trophies of war, and kings giving to each other young daughters in marriage and slave girls for their sexual pleasure. Hundreds and thousands of years have not dulled that craving for those modern wealthy and virile men who rise to social power because of their nature. It is an exclusive society that few can even aspire to for various reasons of inability, and for reasons of our present civilization. In the distant past these gods and children of gods were above reproach and above the law. It is a feature of our time that the society at large is faced with the opportunity to further civilization by limiting the wealth and privilege of individuals in order to promote the general welfare of populations. We were once on that path but have wondered off into the dark woods of antiquity, where the ordinary people are little better than slaves and the elite are not much different than kings and emperors.

    • JWalters
      August 14, 2019 at 20:16

      All true. It’s also true that predators occur in all strata of society.

    • Bif Webster
      August 19, 2019 at 12:25

      “In 18th-century England, the king and half his ministers were involved in a whole network of strange and violent sex clubs, whipping parlors and half-secret cults that embraced everything from Satanism and human sacrifice to flagrant white slavery and public bestiality.

      “In the early years of the century, there were a large number of ‘Rakes’ Clubs’ in London, where the high point of most evenings was hitting the streets in a drunken, brainless frenzy and raping, beating and maiming every human being they could get their hands on.

      “These were not lower class thugs, as in Clockwork Orange, but the sons of the aristocracy. There was no law for them. Only the rich and powerful were allowed to carry swords or ride horses–which put the poor at a certain disadvantage when gangs of rich drunkards swooped down on them in some dim-lit street after midnight. . . .

      “By the second half of the century, there was a whole focus for the gentleman’s clubs–the worship of sex and extravagant public decadence. This was the time of the infamous Hellfire Club, which included among its inner circle the Prince of Wales, the Lord Mayor of London, Benjamin Franklin, the crazed Earl of Sandwich, the monstrous Earl of Bute, then prime minister of England.

      “These people didn’t fool around. They raised the orgy to an art form unknown since Caligula or even the fiendish Mongol hordes of Genghis Khan, who begat a long line of rapists and treacherous sex maniacs who were said to lament the fact that the human body had so few orifices to penetrate that they were forced to create new ones with their own daggers in order that the whole clan could swarm on a victim at once.”

      – Hunter S. Thompson (‘The Hellfire Club’ — ‘Generation of Swine: Gonzo Papers Vol. 2: Tales of Shame and Degradation in the ’80’s’)

  15. August 14, 2019 at 11:53

    Where is my comment?

  16. August 14, 2019 at 11:41

    Surprised the odious Alan Dershowitz (prof. at Harvard) isn’t mentioned in the article. He’s always been a spokesman for Israel as well as an accused rapist of girls and procurer of girls for Epstein. I knew about him years ago.

  17. Jeff Harrison
    August 14, 2019 at 11:20

    That Bill Clinton is involved in this should come as no surprise to anyone. His sexual peccadilloes have been thoroughly exposed. Some of these other guys? Who knew? It would be interesting to hear the stories of the other females involved here (before they get bumped off).

    Sadly, the rich, famous, and/or well connected never get nailed. If they did the world would be a better place.

  18. Anonymot
    August 14, 2019 at 11:05

    “The deeper question is why such a significant proportion of the rich and powerful have a propensity to want to assuage their sexual desires on the most vulnerable and powerless in society, as opposed to forming relationships among their peers.”

    This is one of those superficial questions that finally needs to be called out just because it’s so biased and common.

    Bill Clinton probably has had no sexual relation since, let’s see, when was Chelsea born? Well, then. If you check the record of Billly Boy’s sexual “victims” willing to make official complaints, you’ll find that he once did choose women of his age. But since he had little political or intellectual relation with them, there was only sex and superficial conversation between them. Now think of Hillary when they were in their fifties and sixties. Bill has every reason to keep a relation with her – and she has even more reasons given her political and monetary overdrive – so being rich, famous, and powerful, why in the world would he choose a body of Hillary’s shape rather than a young woman in her physical prime? The only relation will be sex and any man driven by his testosterone would choose a young one.

    That’s standard for anyone who can afford it. It’s been going on since tribal leaders were all there were. Once America found Queen Victoria and Puritanism, wives and churchmen have convinced the more-righteous-than-thou that it’s unfair competition, therefore scandalous and illegal. It’s true for all sexual orientations, although lesbians have a small tendancy to look beyond the physical to the interior.

    As with all generalizations, there are plenty of exceptions to be found, but your comment lends itself to a bias that tends to a Huh? that shouldn’t be there in an excellent article.

    • geeyp
      August 15, 2019 at 00:31

      The actual father of Chelsea Clinton has the initials W.H., not Wm. Clinton. She looks just like him. I will let you look up who W.H. is.

      • ML
        August 15, 2019 at 10:12

        I have heard that story. She does look just like the man you mentioned, geeyp. I don’t know if it’s true. Someone heard Clinton say once that he shoots blanks and that the guy you mentioned was Chelsea’s real father. But without a DNA test made public, it is all conjecture. The side by side photos sure tell a story though, don’t they?

  19. Ariel Ky
    August 14, 2019 at 10:41

    A photo tells a thousand words. Great story, and great photos to get the message across.

  20. August 14, 2019 at 08:19

    Time for the masses to bring back the guillotine…

  21. Sam F
    August 14, 2019 at 06:32

    The organization of sexual exploitation by the powerful is a window upon the secret organizations that control our fake democracies using money and information power, against which our institutions have no protection. We have lost the tools of democracy, all three branches of federal government and mass media, our only peaceful means to restore democracy.

  22. Zhu
    August 14, 2019 at 04:53

    If you don’t like the rumors you hear, make up your own!

  23. Vivek Jain
    August 14, 2019 at 02:53

    from a month ago:

    Israel comes up often in Jeffrey Epstein case

    • JWalters
      August 14, 2019 at 20:20

      Good link.

  24. Abe
    August 14, 2019 at 00:45

    “one key aspect of Epstein’s own sex-trafficking and blackmail operation that warrants examination is Epstein’s ties to Israeli intelligence and his ties to the ‘informal’ pro-Israel philanthropist faction known as ‘the Mega Group.’

    “The Mega Group’s role in the Epstein case has garnered some attention, as Epstein’s main financial patron for decades, billionaire Leslie Wexner, was a co-founder of the group that unites several well-known businessmen with a penchant for pro-Israel and ethno-philanthropy (i.e., philanthropy benefiting a single ethnic or ethno-religious group). […] another uniting factor among Mega Group members is deep ties to organized crime […]

    “By virtue of the role of many Mega Group members as major political donors in both the U.S. and Israel, several of its most notable members have close ties to the governments of both countries as well as their intelligence communities. […] the Mega Group also had close ties to two businessmen who worked for Israel’s Mossad — Robert Maxwell and Marc Rich — as well as to top Israeli politicians, including past and present prime ministers with deep ties to Israel’s intelligence community.

    “One of those businessmen working for the Mossad, Robert Maxwell, {…] who was a business partner of Mega Group co-founder Charles Bronfman, aided the successful Mossad plot to plant a trapdoor in U.S.-created software that was then sold to governments and companies throughout the world. That plot’s success was largely due to the role of a close associate of then-President Ronald Reagan and an American politician close to Maxwell, who later helped aid Reagan in the cover-up of the Iran Contra scandal.

    “Years later, Maxwell’s daughter — Ghislaine Maxwell — would join Jeffrey Epstein’s ‘inner circle’ at the same time Epstein was bankrolling a similar software program now being marketed for critical electronic infrastructure in the U.S. and abroad. That company has deep and troubling connections to Israeli military intelligence, associates of the Trump administration, and the Mega Group.

    “Epstein appears to have ties to Israeli intelligence and has well-documented ties to influential Israeli politicians and the Mega Group. Yet, those entities are not isolated in and of themselves, as many also connect to the organized crime network and powerful alleged pedophiles […]

    “Given that intelligence agencies in both the U.S. and elsewhere often conduct covert operations for the benefit of oligarchs and large corporations as opposed to ‘national security interest,’ Epstein’s ties to the Mega Group suggest that this group holds a unique status and influence in both the governments of the U.S. and of Israel […] This is by virtue of their role as key political donors in both countries, as well as the fact that several of them own powerful companies or financial institutions in both countries. Indeed, many members of the Mega Group have deep ties to Israel’s political class, including to Netanyahu and Ehud Barak as well as to now-deceased figures like Shimon Peres, and to members of the American political class.

    “Ultimately, the picture painted by the evidence is not a direct tie to a single intelligence agency but a web linking key members of the Mega Group, politicians, and officials in both the U.S. and Israel, and an organized-crime network with deep business and intelligence ties in both nations.”

    Mega Group, Maxwells and Mossad: The Spy Story at the Heart of the Jeffrey Epstein Scandal
    By Whitney Webb

    • JWalters
      August 14, 2019 at 20:21

      Thanks for that link.

  25. geeyp
    August 13, 2019 at 23:54

    These greased pigs just keep getting away, just when you think you might have them.

    • M. Illoinen
      August 14, 2019 at 09:46

      Interesting, have you been a witness or witnessing such crime? Do you ever heard: “News is not the trues”? I believe, it was possible for centuries, for such allegation and it is even easier to day. By the way, in any case, for everyone, Until a court has convicted a defendant, he must be presumed innocent. But of course since Guantanamo excised, we do not care anymore. Guilty in any case. Even without evidence!

      • geeyp
        August 15, 2019 at 00:42

        M. Illoinen – I completely agree with you, innocent until proven guilty. I assume that you are referencing my post. When the Powers finally arrested the slippery Al Capone, they had him on tax evasion. They wanted him for a host of crimes. They had the evidence for tax evasion and went with that. These characters have ruined many innocent lives and have gotten away with it. At this stage, I welcome any arrest of these greased pigs on any charges they want to file against them. If it’s the Epstein case, that’s certainly O.K. with me.

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