Editor-in-Chief Joe Lauria was interviewed by Lee Camp on his RT program Redacted Tonight about press freedom under threat.
Volume 29, Number 325— Thursday, November 14, 2024
Editor-in-Chief Joe Lauria was interviewed by Lee Camp on his RT program Redacted Tonight about press freedom under threat.
RT=Russia Today…
just seems like a website frequently accused of being more than a little supportive w/ Trumpkin and Putin would at least look for news sources that appear to be less biased.
The Government, is a who not an it, name names, the organization has names within but more of it.
Military Intelligence and our CIA along with multiple alphabet Security Agencies in US and Europe have names, they over rule concerns of the Public as to how they are governed?
There are individuals, it is they who prosecute independent journalist and journalism,
Ask them, names , why, and then question their answers.
Government is not a live entity, it is but an ideal, and it is staffed by individual humans with names.
Gerrymandering. Hm. We wouldn’t want to deprive the white evil camp of their chance at misrule.
Too many caring, knowledgeable progressives can’t face that JFK was a terrorist. I don’t get it, but there it is. Julian isn’t perfect, nor is Wikileaks which promotes (dangerously) TOR, but there’s no excuse for progressives and still human people to not defend Assange in this contest between the war-making, criminal State and Julian Assange and journalism generally. But we can only do so much, whether we admit it or not. Humankind is not God. We must fight the darkness, personified in Gog (a name that the Christian Bible gives to Satan in his role as the bringer of darkness in a major way in these last days), but we can’t defeat it even if our fighting it (together with other steps we can take as individuals) can protect us spiritually. There is a white knight on his way and he is not without power.
Thanks Joe.
Please support your outrageous claim.
Be specific. Was it JFK? I read history. What’s stopping others from doing the same? Calling my claim (if it’s about JFK) “outrageous” is outrageous.
“John Kennedy and Robert Kennedy Were Terrorists”
https://app.box.com/s/nrb7s56g6qzwi9323nuve1irt8oe4lpc
“Thinking About Thinking”
https://arrby.wordpress.com/2018/04/13/thinking-about-thinking/
Thank you for the links. I will spend some time on them. After quickly scanning these, one thing I noticed right away was your assumption that things that happened during his administration were under his control, thus he deserves the blame. If you read “JFK and the Unspeakable”, or “The Devil’s Chessboard” you will see that he was up against powerful forces, especially Allen Dulles, who were doing many things behind his back. Both these books prove he was out-maneuvered by them in many instances, and I believe that they were eventually responsible for his assassination. Both of those books are very well documented. Reading history isn’t proof of anything since so many history books are skewed to conform with powerful interests. I have read Zinn’s “A Peoples’ History” and found it to be very enlightening. The history taught in our public school system is little more than propaganda.
I would never imply that JFK or RFK were less than fallible humans, but I believe it was those allied against them who were the terrorists.
I am wondering if you have read either of the books I mentioned? “Destiny Betrayed” was another good one that shows in great detail how the Garrison investigation was sabotaged by the CIA.
“Reading history isn’t proof of anything”? But did you get my point? A reader of history is more likely to know something than someone who doesn’t read, Right?
But you make a point for me, because most of the history, like most (corporate) news, is fake. There’s lots of facts and lots of spin, lies and propaganda. It is my belief that 99% of the history written about JFK is fake history – distorting reality – simply because 99% of those – knowledgeable and not – who have an opinion about JFK, worship the man. Why? He was sexy. And now that Everyone worships JFK, well, How can you not? As Seymour Hersh noted, women and men alike adored JFK.
Why is that it’s ‘more’ important for me to read books by worshippers of Saint Kennedy than it is for them to read the books I tap?
You can read my compendium, or the books I talk about in it, or not. That’s your call. You don’t have to say you will if you don’t want to. If there’s no way that you’re going to change your mind about Saint Kennedy, you might as well forget about this conversation.
Good come-back Skip!
“Why is that it’s ‘more’ important for me to read books by worshippers of Saint Kennedy than it is for them to read the books I tap?”
It is important because they successfully refute many of your claims with thorough documentation. If you never read opposing viewpoints, you are only in search of confirmation bias. You seek an echo chamber. No one is saying that JFK was not a philanderer. There is plenty of solid evidence that he cheated on his wife on numerous occasions, and I personally find that kind of behavior abhorrent. But his personal life doesn’t have anything to do with why he was assassinated by rogue elements of the CIA. He sought to get us out of Vietnam and he sought to diffuse tensions with the USSR. He attempted to challenge the MIC, and he was the last president to do so. The consequences have been enormous.
It is not only important to read (as opposed to not reading), it is important to logically analyze evidence to sort truth from propaganda.
The corporate news that is fake is their support for the Warren Commission, and their subversion of the Garrison investigation.
It is not “hero worship” to seek to find out who really assassinated JFK and why. The books I mention do a very thorough job of both. If there is no way to change your mind about Demon Kennedy, we may as well end this conversation.
I predict if Assange is put on trial in the US he will be judged Not Guilty! The question will come out “Do the People have a right to know what crimes our government does in our name”? Without a trial which would be the trial of the century he could be kept in limbo in Europe forever with us making the same arguments over and over.
I see Trump and Bill Barr as knowing this would be a huge loss for them. The extradition question will go on and on because this is the only way to avoid a trial which will finally get a legal Court opinion on the unending question about Julian Assange and Wikileaks.
“Every Revolutionary needs a trial” My friend, Phil Ochs.
The sadists in the US deep state acting on orders from Hillary Clinton and other criminal elements in the corporate state are slobbering all over themselves to get Assange inside the US gulag. The US will either torture a confession out of him and drag him before a Stalin-like show trial, or simple railroad him in a military tribunal on terrorism charges while he is in an offshore dungeon.
Very important , thank you. I protest the medical-military industrial complex in Miami if anyone wants to join me. Protest wherever you are for our First Amendment rights, free and honest speech/press, release of Manning, Assange, and Espionage Act reform. Demand the CIA is OUT of our educational and medical institutions. Demand the Intel apparatus goals, mission, and purpose are reviewed and reformed and that they operate with rigid oversight, as Eisenhower warned us to do decades ago. Demand Our Soldiers and all Americans work, fight, and die for just causes only, upholding Our Constitution, and Our Republic of, by, and for The People, nothing less. Regarding politics, pervasive in everything, get lobbyists totally out as mentioned in tape. Moreover — do-away with the party system, and vote by a numerical gauge, or some other way that doesn’t feed into this constant false, counterproductive dichotomous, duopolous bickering from campaigns to congress. Cap money for political races, giving financial help to those in need. This way more people can compete after having so many signatures on a petition perhaps, and again, money would not be a factor regarding who runs. As also mentioned, demand uniform, valid, reliable, verifiable voting and receipts! See very serious concerns at my site ourconstitution.info Home, Medical-Military (under Home tab), and Links. See my protest pics — send me yours!! Trump said we have “a lot of killers”, and we do… in and out of hospitals — protect patients!! See “killers among us” at my Home page — much documentation, and all very, very scary.
Here is my simple way to end gerrymandering. Re-district based on the following simple requirement:
“All districts are either squares or rectangles (4 sides, 90 degree corners) and contain between 600,000 and 1,000,000 citizens.”
Tnx CN 4 bypassin’ my utub censor by Goog… tho liked2 see other RT content than Lee better this right on both guests &… So what does THE R in RT stand4? So who’$ gonna truth tell?!!!
I wonder if the official media matter that much any more. After awhile people become habituated to lies and shrug them off. It would be interesting to try to figure out some way of discovering and publishing news in such a way that it could be verified and believed.
Thank you for that suggestion.
I am proposing a College of Policy Debate CBD that would organize experts in every discipline/region/policy area to produce commented summaries of moderated textual debates, protecting all viewpoints, for public access with mini-quizzes and online discussion groups. An expert discussion layer would identify viewpoints, interests, knowledge/fairness, and thus propose debaters per viewpoint, exclude the irrational, etc.
Perhaps next would be a standard for moderated/verified news sources, similarly prioritizing fairness/accuracy/timeliness, and preserving/enforcing balance and thoroughness, also providing mini-quizzes and online discussion groups.
The trick in both cases is establishing mechanisms of incorruptible administration, in which participants and administrators are evaluated for viewpoints, interest groups, factions, knowledge/fairness with opposing views, records of fairness/accuracy, etc. Not a bad model for selection of government administrators as well.
Anarcissie I think if official media had truly unfettered commentary they could be held accountable by their reading public. The same could be true of broadcast media, the key is that they couldn’t “manage the commentary”.
Here is an example of what I mean. Read the article, decide what you think, then read the commentary especially under the “most respected first” filter…
https://theintercept.com/2019/04/28/mueller-report-trump-russia-questions/?comments=1#comments
Thanks for the link Bob. It really proves your point about the importance of commentary. The commenters for this article really take Risen to the cleaners and out him for being a shill. During the good ol’ days of the Fairness Doctrine, I remember seeing the same thing happen on television. Joe Blow would get equal time to express an opposing view and, nine times out of ten, Joe Blow would be right. Now he’s only to be found on the internet where only a few of us get exposed. We are shuttered in a “sound proof free speech zone.”
I sincerely appreciate your follow-up Skip many Thanks. We have the opportunity at this exceptional site to not only appreciate accurate reporting, but to add to the general conversation and you have done that…
I mostly agree with Lee Camp but Redacted Tonight is really an unwatchable crap show
That’s my view. The comedian does serious politics approach seems in my view to not always work. (In my opinion, Lee is not good at it, even though I do mostly agree with him. I just find him unwatchable.) I’m also suspicious now that people like Bill Maher and John Oliver have proven to have an establishment agenda. It’s like Avaaz. Avaaz – the petition generator – for years asked subscribers to care about whales and polar bears (good things) and then one day was asking them to support a ‘no fly’ zone in Syria. Unwary subscribers simply went along with that thinking that people who care about polar bears or whatever wouldn’t promote anything bad. People who make us laugh at clearly ridiculous things are never going to say clearly ridiculous things, we imagine, again, if we are not wary.
““Progressive” John Oliver joins Trump policies against Venezuela” by Mike Prysner (Arturo Rosales and Empire Files)
http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_80075.shtml
When G2 appeared, I believe G2 also said (part of the smear) that he was giving the DNC documents to WikiLeaks. Nance wove a tale similar to the Mueller Report whereby G2 struggled to get them to WL and was finally successful in mid July. Nance finished this take with the fact that WL releases emails shortly after that.
Anyone who follows WL knows they vet everything to ensure forgeries will not be included and that they vet docs to make sure no one will be physically harmed as a result of the release. This timeline of the Mueller 3rd indictment, the Mueller Report and Malcolm Nance’s book and presentation at the American Library in Paris on Oct 3, 2018 is pure fantasy. The media keep repeating this nonsense as well, conflating the G2 emails and what WL releases. They are different animals, treated in different ways. The goal of all of this was to smear WikiLeaks with a Russian connection, which is totally absurd. Both Nance and Mueller are engaged in propaganda with an ignorant mainstream media at their disposal.
Journalists are missing their “I’M Spartacus!” moment. Ironically enough, Dalton Trumbo, screenwriter of Spartacus, was blacklisted. We need to support those that carry the torch for humanity, our truth tellers and whistleblowers. Otherwise, we turn Darwin’s theory on its head, to Survival of the Spineless. Great article here, Uncle Tom’s Empire:
https://off-guardian.org/2019/04/16/uncle-toms-empire/
Get out on the street May 3rd, World Press Freedom Day and tell your slumbering propagandized fellow Americans to support Assange and Manning if they believe in freedom of the press. Even if you’re the only one out there. Do it anyway.
Don’t forget that a lot of Americans are focused on staying out of the homeless shelter. Press Freedom is rather higher on the pyramid of needs.
I mentioned Julian Assange at my Cheers-like (espresso bar) home away from home and another regular asked who he was. People – most – just don’t care.
Great detailed (yet concise) explication of the facts and principles involved in saving ourselves from what has been called “crackpot realism.”
Technically the interview was on Redacted Tonight VIP which isn’t the same as the RT show “Redacted Tonight”.
I believe the VIP show is web only; it usually, not always, goes up on YouTube on Thursday.
Michael Pollack, the young rabbi interviewed by Lee Camp is one wonderful guy! What an ethical, smart, and lovely man he is. I wish we could clone him for every state in the Union. Thanks Lee and Michael and of course, our Joe Lauria for a great program.
Whilst I am a great fan of RT I just can’t watch Lee Camp because of the audience whoops and screams after every few words he utters. I know this is an American thing, but as a rather staid old UK person I just can’t stand it. I decided on this occasion to take a peak at the interviews as I really wanted to hear the opinion of both great speakers and I was DELIGHTED to see that there was no manic audience and I was able to watch the show right through.
The latest edition of Redacted Tonight was done without an audience. He was getting over laryngitis and decided to do the show anyway at the last minute. It’s well worth the time. What you saw with Joe is a different show called the VIP edition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuBqAcqXUFM&mc_cid=99ac71a97c&mc_eid=53c7b63fdb
The American government (deep state) are a rotten lot to be sure, but for pure evil they have got nothing on my own UK government who spent millions of pounds keeping Assange locked in the embassy just so they could arrest him for a minor offence of jumping bail. Well that was what they claimed, but of course, was far from the truth. What the UK government has done means they are complicit in attempting to cover up war crimes committed by the USA.
Assange and Chelsea exposed US Government War C rimes to the American people.—-Do the AMERICAN people want their government committing war crimes ?—-I think not .——Assange and Chelsea are Hero`s for telling the Truth about what happened.
I think you’ve touched on the main point here. A lot of Americans do want their military to commit war crimes. Have you seen the crowd interviews coming out of the MAGA rallies?
Joe Lauria says – “If you don’t want to know what war crimes your government is involved in please delete this.”
Have another drink, play some tennis or golf, go to the club but for God’s sake don’t say a word about press freedom. Its just a memory.
What happens to the video of the soldiers dieing in Niger? Sorry to be putting this here as amazed it has not appeared any where else? Lee Camp brilliant
Thank you so much, Joe Lauria and Consortium News for your concistency. Since 11th April news keep spreading and the Bagdad Murder Video is seen by more and more people. Although the mainstream media do their best in trying to crucify Julien Assange and to cover up war crimes the myth of the US army protecting their German vassals and fighting wars for human rights and democracy is slowly crumbling.
#freeassange!