Details Still Lacking on Russian ‘Hack’

Exclusive: The mainstream U.S. media is all atwitter about Russia having to pay a price for hacking into Democratic emails and supposedly tilting the U.S. election to Donald Trump, but the evidence still is lacking, reports Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry

Amid more promises of real evidence to come, the Obama administration released a report that again failed to demonstrate that there is any proof behind U.S. allegations that Russia both hacked into Democratic emails and distributed them via WikiLeaks to the American people.

The New York Times, which has been busy flogging the latest reasons to hate Russia and its President Vladimir Putin, asserted, “The F.B.I. and Department of Homeland Security released a report on Thursday detailing the ways that Russia acted to influence the American election through cyberespionage.”

President Obama in the Oval Office.

But the actual report fell far short of “detailing” much at all about how the disclosures of the Democratic National Committee’s manipulation of the primaries to hobble Sen. Bernie Sanders and the contents of Hillary Clinton’s Wall Street speeches ended up at WikiLeaks and ultimately became available to American voters.

Most of the 13-page FBI/DHS report was devoted to suggestions on how Internet users can protect their emails from malware, but there was little new that proved that the Russians were the source of the Democratic emails given to WikiLeaks.

The tip-off to how little proof was being offered came in the report’s statement that “The U.S. government assesses that information was leaked to the press and publicly disclosed.” When you read a phrase like “the U.S. government assesses,” it really means the U.S. government is guessing – and the report notably uses a passive tense that doesn’t even assert that the Russians did the leaking.

A well-placed intelligence source told me that there’s little doubt that elements of Russian intelligence penetrated the emails of the Democratic National Committee and Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, but the Russians were far from alone. Indeed, placing various forms of malware on computers is a common practice, as average folks who periodically take their laptops to an I.T. professional can attest. There’s always some kind of “spyware” or other malicious code to be discovered.

The source said the more debatable issue is whether Russian intelligence then turned over the emails to WikiLeaks, especially given that WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and an associate, former British Ambassador Craig Murray, have stated that the material did not come from the Russian government. Murray has suggested that there were two separate sources, the DNC material coming from a disgruntled Democrat and the Podesta emails coming from possibly a U.S. intelligence source, since the Podesta Group represents Saudi Arabia and other foreign governments.

Future ‘Details’

So, The New York Times misled its readers by claiming that the FBI/DHS report released Thursday was “detailing” how the Russians carried out the operation, and a separate Times article essentially acknowledged that the details were still to come.

New York Times building in New York City. (Photo from Wikipedia)

“A more detailed report on the intelligence, ordered by President Obama, will be published in the next three weeks, though much of the detail — especially evidence collected from ‘implants’ in Russian computer systems, tapped conversations and spies — is expected to remain classified.”

In other words, the FBI/DHS report really didn’t have much in the way of details and the “more detailed report” – due out before President Obama leaves office on Jan. 20 – will still be hiding “much of the detail” to justify Obama’s retaliation against Russia including new sanctions and expulsion of 35 Russian diplomats or intelligence officers from the United States.

But the Times article does inadvertently make the interesting admission that the U.S. government has penetrated Russian computers, much as the U.S. government accuses Russia of doing to U.S. computers.

But the data purloined by these U.S. “implants” and other clandestinely obtained evidence – assuming there really is any – won’t be something that the American people will get to see.

The shell game will continue up to the start of the Trump administration with the apparent goal to hem in President Trump from trying to reach out to Russia to avert a costly and dangerous New Cold War.

But the evidence so far released by the Obama administration still amounts to “trust us.”

[For more on this topic, see’s “Escalating the Risky Fight with Russia” and “Summing Up Russia’s Real Nuclear Fears.”]

Investigative reporter Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories for The Associated Press and Newsweek in the 1980s. You can buy his latest book, America’s Stolen Narrative, either in print here or as an e-book (from Amazon and

76 comments for “Details Still Lacking on Russian ‘Hack’

  1. Richard Steven Hack
    January 3, 2017 at 15:26

    It should be pointed out that one of the primary pieces of alleged “evidence” in the FBI/DHS report is a piece of malware created in the PHP computer language used in Web sites.

    Some brilliant detective work by WordFence, a WordPress security outfit, proves that malware is not Russian, but in fact Ukrainian and open source, i.e., available to anyone who knows about it.

    US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

    The headline is a little misleading since they conclude there is no proof Russia – or even Russian hackers at all – were the ones who either created or used this malware. But it is correct that if Russia intelligence were involved, they wouldn’t use outdated malware.

  2. January 3, 2017 at 14:44

    This is the epicenter of #fakenews – East Germanesque White House political propaganda. FWIW, my analysis

  3. Stan squires
    December 31, 2016 at 17:43

    I am from Vancouver,Canada and I wanted to say that President Obama is like Joseph McCarthy in the 1950s. He is trying to blame Russia for the Democrats losing the elections.The Democrats deserved to lose the elections. The didn’t do anything that was any good and they caused many problems in all parts of the world.This slander against Russia needs to be condemned by all americans and people across the world.It is the USA that have caused problems every where.From supporting Terrorists in Syria, to supporting the Fascist, Poroshenko and telling lies about Crimea.Hopefully Donald Trump will lift the outrageous sanctions against Russia.

  4. Abe
    December 31, 2016 at 07:06

    “what’s certain is that the War Party US deep state won’t admit defeat. And the key geopolitical riddle to be answered is how strident internal American tensions will deal with the hub of progressive Eurasia integration: Russia, China and Iran.

    “Key to watch will be the role of the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Joseph ‘Fighting Joe’ Dunford, and how he will interpret the US National Military Strategy. The crucial part of the strategy is a five-part annex detailing America’s top existential threats. In Pentagonese, they are the ‘four-plus-one’: Russia, China, Iran, North Korea and (the ‘plus one’), ‘VEOs’ — violent extremist organizations.

    “The Pentagon itself is divided. For the National Military Strategy, and for ‘Fighting Joe’, the top threat is Russia. For ‘Mad Dog’ Mattis, the new head of the Pentagon, it’s Iran. For a lot of Joint Chiefs of Staff officers, it’s actually the VEOs, especially ISIS/ISIL/Daesh. So the crucial question is who will Trump be really listening to.

    “Putin already cut to the chase – when he spoke at the defense ministry’s HQ in Moscow before the holiday season; ‘We can say with certainty: we are stronger now than any potential aggressor.’ And he added; ‘Anyone.’ This after Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu stressed Russia ‘for the first time in its history” has fully protected the extensive Russian borders with early warning anti-missile systems.

    “The Pentagon must be processing the information with extreme seriousness. That means, essentially, that before the S-500s were fully rolled out, Moscow could not but exercise extreme prudence. Now Russian air space seems to be effectively sealed. Putin could not actually admit on the record that Russia is the strongest military power in the world until the rollout of the S-500s is complete. All US offensive missiles and stealth aircraft as it stands are rendered useless. And that does no even take into account nuclear weaponized Russian silent submarines.

    “Putin’s frank admission is extremely surprising, because the nature of Russian strategy is always to conceal strength. Yet in the new, geopolitical configuration, possibly a preamble to post-Cold War 2.0, the most important element was to send a clear preemptive ‘message’ to the Pentagon.

    “At his year-end presser, Putin also remarked that, ‘what we have between Russia and China is more than just a strategic partnership.”’ That was another subtle but clear message to any actors, inside or around the US deep state, Brzezinski included, or inside or lateral to the Trump administration, bent on deploying the usual Divide and Rule tactics to play Russia against China; moreover, the three crucial Eurasian actors, Russia, China and Iran, have already agreed on a mutual defense policy. So any fancy Pentagon ideas on Iran instantly hit a no-go area.

    “We might be reaching a possible geopolitical configuration where it’s not far-fetched to expect some sort of Grand Bargain involving the US and the three key hubs of Eurasia integration; a sort of Interregnum Détente before an extended Cold War 2.0, instigated by the US deep state, picks up again. It was only 25 years ago today. That was not the end of History; rather the preamble for a brand new historical drama. Get ready, because the thick of the action starts now.”

    Back to the Future: From the USSR to the Eurasian Century
    By Pepe Escobar

  5. Dr. Ibrahim Soudy
    December 30, 2016 at 15:43

    O.K…..I have read many articles and comments on blogs like this one. We all now know that Washington is CORRUPT beyond repair……..the question is, WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT?! I am not hearing anyone other than myself giving real practical suggestions. Here it is one more time, the source of corruption is mainly the people who control the money flow. Those are called the BANKERS……… for example GOLDMAN SACHS………..we, THE CONSUMERS, have the power to PUT THOSE PRIVATE BANKERS OUT OF BUSINESS…………by boycotting them and pushing for the creation of State Banks on the model of the BANK OF NORTH DAKOTA………..Here is a useful link………

    We can get off our behinds and DO SOMETHING or we will be wasting so much time just talking and being happy that the corrupt are using us like slaves……………

    • msavage
      December 30, 2016 at 19:53

      “we, THE CONSUMERS, have the power to PUT THOSE PRIVATE BANKERS OUT OF BUSINESS…………by boycotting them and pushing for the creation of State Banks on the model of the BANK OF NORTH DAKOTA”

      Pushing WHO for state banks? The Washington leaders who are, by your own admission, corrupt and beyond repair? We can boycott the banks, and many of us reading here might already be doing so. But it’s gonna take a whole lot more than just us to make a dent. Not enough people are aware yet of how very corrupt and beyond repair the system actually is. Or of who the enemies actually are. Spreading the message is key. What is the quickest and most efficient way of doing that?

      • Dr. Ibrahim Soudy
        January 3, 2017 at 12:55

        Creating State Banks is in the hands of the states NOT Washington D.C., SIR. Even Cities can create their own banks ………Ask anybody on the street if they trust Washington, D.C. and the answer will be a resounding NO. People know how corrupt the system is by they feel POWERLESS……..why? because the culture have made each one of us an island disconnected from the rest…….THAT is the main problem…..The INDIVIDUALISTIC attitude of each one….in plain words…we are way too selfish and self-centered to affect real change…………..keep recycling the same points under different headlines and same comments after changing the wording without making a real difference……affect change by using the power of your own wallet……

  6. backwardsevolution
    December 30, 2016 at 14:50

    Russia will not retaliate by throwing out American diplomats!

    “The Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, said earlier on Friday he was recommending that Putin expel 35 US diplomats, but after a day in which numerous Russian political figures unleashed furious rhetoric in Washington’s direction, Putin intervened to announce that the Russian response would be to do nothing, at least for now.

    The Russian president said his country’s ultimate response would depend on US attitudes to Russia under Trump, who has repeatedly spoken positively of the country and Putin. Moscow is accused of intervening in the election process in support of Trump.”

  7. backwardsevolution
    December 30, 2016 at 14:44

    From Karl Denninger, someone who understands the Internet, as he previously owned an Internet company: there is zero evidence that Russia had anything to do with it.

    “For instance, spearphishing emails typically look like an “alert” from the targeted credential’s site (e.g. gmail) with a link to click and ‘reset your password.’ Said link doesn’t, of course, actually go to Google — it goes somewhere else. Often those people use a “link shortener” (e.g. to “hide” where the link goes so casual examination doesn’t show it. However, that reference is traceable, it goes to a web address somewhere and the owner(s) of that address or at least who is controlling it can be determined. If they have been hacked they will typically cooperate (duh!) and now you can find out where that “resource” actually connected to. Through a relatively-simple process of iterating over that (if there are multiple “hops” involved) you will eventually land on infrastructure the “bad guys” control.

    So where’s the evidence?

    I’m sorry, but “we know” without the evidence is propaganda, not information or even something that rises to the level of an “accusation.” Further, such emails are trivially copied and re-used by various evildoers with a change only in the redirect URL — a trivially easy thing and, not-surprisingly, very common.

    Since it’s not at all hard to figure out where such a redirect went and analyze it from there, the fact that the FBI and DHS didn’t present that information, and since it has been widely disclosed to the entire group of email recipients it could not be classified either because it’s not secret in the first place, one can reasonably conclude that the evidence doesn’t point where the FBI and DHS claims it does. […]

    Next, I remind you that we have a Wikileaks insider, the man who claims to have been the actual courier, who has said on the record that a DNC insider, quite possibly Seth Rich, gave him the contents of said emails (other than John Podesta’s.)

    Leaving aside the outrageous idiocy and lack of care when it comes to security that the DNC exhibited, particularly high-level campaign insiders such as Podesta in using public email providers (such as Google), the fact remains that there is not only little credible evidence that the DNC’s email was “hacked”, there is zero evidence provided in the FBI report that Russia had anything to do with it.”

    • Joe Tedesky
      December 30, 2016 at 16:44

      With all this talk about Russian hackers, then why is not more emphasis put on Hillary’s breach of her having her own private email servers? This issue has seemed to go unnoticed for some odd reason. Instead the blame has been placed on Russia’s doorstep.

      • msavage
        December 30, 2016 at 17:56

        “This issue has seemed to go unnoticed for some odd reason. Instead the blame has been placed on Russia’s doorstep.”

        Probably exactly as intended.

        • col from oz
          December 30, 2016 at 19:23

          Obama did the same thing with the Sony hack. The media were all over a company called crowd strike? who write reports for Dems to back up their capricious allegations. In regards to the Sony hack (which was blamed on North Korea and Obama blamed them ) cracks in the Obama story occurred. At the time Sony was going through industrial relations problems in the IT dept and the first email demanding money also called upon management to acede to employees demands. I am sorry but you can authenticate some points if you wont but a IT expect also explained the amount of data extracted from the hack within a time frame exceeded the data links to North Korea the country. As wiki says
          Doubts about accusations against North Korea.

          Members of the press and various cybersecurity experts have expressed doubt about the claims that North Korea was behind the hack. Cyber security experts, independently analyzing the hack separately from the FBI—including Kurt Stammberger from cyber security firm Norse,[86][87] DEFCON organizer and Cloudflare researcher Marc Rogers,[88] Hector Monsegur,[89] and Kim Zetter, a security journalist at Wired magazine[90]—have tended to agree that North Korea might not be behind the attack.

          Michael Hiltzik, a Los Angeles Times journalist, said that all evidence against North Korea was “circumstantial” and that some cybersecurity experts were “skeptical” about accusations against the government.[91] Cybersecurity expert Lucas Zaichkowsky said, “State-sponsored attackers don’t create cool names for themselves like ‘Guardians of Peace’ and promote their activity to the public.”[92] Kim Zetter of Wired magazine called released evidence against the government “flimsy”.[93] Former hacker Hector Monsegur, who once hacked into Sony, explained to CBS News that exfiltrating one or one hundred terabytes of data would have taken months or years, not weeks, “without anyone noticing”. Monsegur doubted the accusations due to North Korea’s possibly insufficient infrastructure to handle much data. He believed that it could have been either Chinese, Russian, or North Korean sponsored hackers working outside of the country, but most likely to be the deed of a Sony employee.[94]

          Stammberger provided to the FBI Norse’s findings that suggest the hack was an inside job, stating, “Sony was not just hacked; this is a company that was essentially nuked from the inside. We are very confident that this was not an attack master-minded by North Korea and that insiders were key to the implementation of one of the most devastating attacks in history.”[95] Stammberger believes that the security failure may have originated from six disgruntled former Sony employees, based on their past skill sets and discussions these people made in chat rooms. Norse employees identified these people from a list of workers that were eliminated from Sony during a restructuring in May 2014, and noted that some had made very public and angry responses to their firing, and would be in appropriate positions to identify the means to access secure parts of Sony’s servers.[96][97][98] After a private briefing lasting three hours, the FBI formally rejected Norse’s alternative assessment.[99]
          So it’s policy to disseminate fictitious propaganda even from the President.

          • msavage
            December 30, 2016 at 19:46

            “So it’s policy to disseminate fictitious propaganda even from the President.”

            Yep, and in the case of the DNC “hacks,” they kill two birds with one stone, so to speak. Distract public attention from the CONTENTS of the emails, and what they reveal about the corruption of the DNC and the Clinton empire. At the same time, they forward their agenda of escalating a lucrative (for the MIC) war (cold or hot) with Russia. Probably while patting each other on the backs about how clever and efficient they all are. We all remember how Hillary was talking about the no fly zone over Syria, even during the debates, for goodness’ sake. Against all odds (and Deep State’s best-laid plans) she lost. So they’re going about their Russia-bashing in a different way.

  8. Taras77
    December 30, 2016 at 14:26

    I am struck by the depth of the commentary here and of course, by the analysis of Robert Parry.

    However, it does seem like a whisper in a hurricane with all of the deep state propaganda organs blasting full volume. I am just not sure if the counter arguments are reaching sufficient number of people to make a difference, whatever that might turn out to be. To be sure, the deep state with its extreme wealth can muster ad nauseum the propaganda to reach millions of americans. I personally rely in the main upon the information published by the sources on the ProporNot list. But most if not all of these sources depend upon private funding/contributions and as a result are totally out-gunned by the war party, the deep state, the oligarchs.

    So what is my point? What is it going to take to shut all of those ass___”s up, starting with the clintons, michael more, the snowflakes,etc, etc. To use an old military phrase, it seems like most of the time, the adults are merely pissing into the wind-the children in the admin, the harpies, will continue to grab the headlines of the odious WaPo and NYT and of course, the mindless “talk shows” on television.

    I really have concerns that logic, truth, facts, will prevail in this wind storm of bull shit and lies.

    • Taras77
      December 30, 2016 at 14:34

      I planned to add the following phrase but was cut off:

      So what is the alternative-there is none. All of the sane people, the adults, need to keep on doing what Parry is doing, need to read all arguments against the bull shit, and just keep on keeping on.

      • backwardsevolution
        December 30, 2016 at 15:58

        Taras77 – yes, keep on keeping on. And, if possible, post some of the best articles around the Internet (preferably The Washington Post, New York Times, sites like these). Even if your efforts are responsible for making only a few people stop and think, then it is worthwhile because they will, in turn, make someone else stop and think.

        • msavage
          December 30, 2016 at 17:55

          I agree with this. I think reaching just one person at a time will continue to make headway. I just watched “Snowden” a couple of nights ago. I enjoyed it, though I far preferred Citizen Four. Anyway, I am reminded of the scene where Snowden is being shown how quickly people’s connections spread to encompass hundreds of thousands of people. There is power in opening the eyes of just one person, who then starts to influence another, and so on.

  9. exiled off mainstreet
    December 30, 2016 at 14:07

    The best evidence indicates that the wikileaks were in fact leaks, not the product of a Russian hack. They probably originated from Seth Rich or somebody else offended by the DNC’s machinations for the harpy during the primary, and from a successful phishing effort against Podesta’s phone. If they had been the product of a Russian hack they would have been more comprehensive, because the hacking would have been complete on everything. The reason the accusations are somewhat believable is because the evidence is there that the Russians (and Chinese) have major hacking capabilities. What this means is that they (the Russians and Chinese) probably have a comprehensive knowledge of the actions of the yankee regime, just like the yankee regime has complete knowledge of the actions of the others. Because of this fact the yankee imperium is playing with fire on a number of fronts. The Russians could simply release everything they know, and thereby destroy the last shreds of credibility of the yankee regime as a legitimate entity. They probably can prove beyond a reasonable doubt, for instance that the yankees are the major sponsor of jihadi warfare. This is a dangerous time as a wounded shark thrashes around and seeks to do maximum damage. Hopefully things won’t go nuclear.

    • msavage
      December 30, 2016 at 14:17

      “This is a dangerous time as a wounded shark thrashes around and seeks to do maximum damage. Hopefully things won’t go nuclear.”

      It looks like our future might be in the hands of Putin at the moment. Clearly we cannot expect anyone in “charge” in the U.S. to behave reasonably.

      • backwardsevolution
        December 30, 2016 at 15:54

        msavage – you are right. Putin is showing incredible restraint because he’s aware the kids are just having a tantrum. I’m thankful that Putin is the leader of Russia at this time, and not some hot-head. The U.S. are looking like idiots.

  10. Drew Hunkins
    December 30, 2016 at 13:31

    Details. We don’t need no stinkin’ details.

  11. F. G. Sanford
    December 30, 2016 at 12:41

    OK. Let’s get this straight. There is no such thing as a “secure” internet connection. Let me say that again. There is no such thing as a “secure” internet connection. Just in case some of you didn’t get that the first two times, let me repeat: “THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A “SECURE” INTERNET CONNECTION.”

    OK. There is one exception. If you put two computers inside a grounded Faraday cage and connect them with a shielded cable, you can be relatively certain they can talk to each other without being hacked. Relatively. Not absolutely.

    About thirty years ago, I found myself in the midst of an administrative debate regarding the potential threat to National Security and confidentiality posed by transitioning to the (mythological) advantage of “paperless” technology. All of my objections have since come to pass. And, agencies which touted the advantages of “paperless” – like the U.S. Government, now produce more wasted paper than they ever did before. Once upon a time, a Remington typewriter was a formidable disincentive to producing stacks of unadulterated bullshit. Electronic printers eliminated that. Now, any brainless idiot in any administrative office can cut, paste, copy, add his or her irrelevant two cents, email it, receive it, store it on a thumb drive, or print it out and carry it home.

    All of the theoretical aspects necessary to accomplish virtually any kind of hacking had already been worked out by the 1930’s. They couldn’t implement most of it, because the technology hadn’t yet produced suitable components. Hitler sent Goering to Italy seeking support for his fledgling fascist movement. While there, Goering met an Italian who had invented a way to tap telephones without the telltale”click”. That device was soon to find its way into every Gestapo office in Germany. Later, induction methods were developed which eliminated the need for any electrical connection at all. The Germans had “tapped” the transatlantic cables by submarine long before the war was over. The British developed a “Turing complete” computer to break codes based on Vacuum tube technology. The Germans had one equally capable using magnetic relays. Then, “wireless” signals became the object of hacking. Codes could be broken, but not if the signals couldn’t be transcribed. So, “frequency hopping” was developed. The original patent was granted to none other than Hedy Lamarr.

    So. Wireless “WiFi” can be received and hacked, and so can land line modem connections. The government’s tech gurus know this, but being in cahoots with Silicon Valley, the tech companies and outfits like Google, there was so much money to be made, they ignored all the risks and pitfalls. Keep in mind, a Hollywood bimbo was smart enough to figure this stuff out seventy years ago, but the general public still doesn’t get it.

    The real story here is that Democrats did a bunch of illegal, immoral and illicit stuff, and they now want to cover it up by invoking some cockamamie accusation. The Russians are still using vacuum tubes in their radar units. They are more resistant to electronic jamming than semiconductor units. The Russians are also still using typewriters. Their security services are not influenced Google’s stock market performance. Check out just how many people in U.S. Government agencies are enriching themselves in the tech sector, and you’ll understand why our spy agencies are in a tissy. The only information they have that isn’t hackable is the stuff they made up. But as soon as they email it, all bets are off. Everybody hacks, including us, and it’s not a secret.

    • backwardsevolution
      December 30, 2016 at 15:59

      Sanford – good post! Interesting, thanks.

    • Joe Tedesky
      December 30, 2016 at 16:34

      I learn something each time you post a comment. Have a great year F.G.!

  12. Wm. Boyce
    December 30, 2016 at 12:26

    “A more detailed report on the intelligence, ordered by President Obama, will be published in the next three weeks, though much of the detail — especially evidence collected from ‘implants’ in Russian computer systems, tapped conversations and spies — is expected to remain classified.”

    We’ll see if they actually HAVE any credible evidence. Thanks to Mr. Parry and Consortium for pointing out the lack of hard evidence. I’m open to either possibility, pending actual evidence.

    I have to confess amusement at the antics of Congressional hawks of both parties who promise a real show of sanctions, etc. against the Russians, despite the “Moscovian Candidate.” Just to think of paralysis of the new administration, when we need it most, is delicious. Fye on them!

  13. Brian
    December 30, 2016 at 11:21

    Dec 29, 2016 Zakharova on Obama’s threats: If Washington takes new hostile steps, it will receive a tough answer!

    The official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry Maria Zakharova commemts the new threat of US sanctions against Russia.

  14. Brian
    December 30, 2016 at 11:12

    December 28, 2016 OUTRAGEOUS: Election hacks traced back to Obama’s Department of Homeland Security

    In an unbelievable development that ought to outrage every single American, election officials in Georgia are essentially accusing the Obama administration of attempting to hack into the state’s electronic balloting machines in what appears to be a naked political ploy.

  15. Brad Owen
    December 30, 2016 at 08:01

    This is just impotent rage coming from the “war party” (I.e. Those significant parts of both Establishment parties effectively controlled by DeepState forces) after having gotten thumbs-down and middle fingers straight up, from the population (the Bernie/Trump/Johnson)/Stein Faction). Once Trump takes his place in the seat-of-power, syncophancy will reassert itself among the scribbling class. The extremely lucrative deals offered by Putin and his Silk Road allies will be too compelling for the deal-making Real Estate Mogul in Chief, and all sand-bagging attempts will prove futile. The Bernie/Stein/Nader/ACLU/etc…Faction will resist all attempts made against civil liberties. The blue-collar guys will be satisfied with secure, good-paying jobs, which they judge will take care of all welfare/healthcare concerns; in other words a good job=the best welfare program of all, with actual welfare for those too old or otherwise unfit for economic duty. The ZeitGeist has left its hand-writing against the “wall”(actually the crop fields and the sky), and having writ, moves on.

  16. Boondocks Saint
    December 30, 2016 at 04:10

    NYT = State Department Propaganda
    WaPo = CIA Propaganda
    NYT/WaPO = White House Propaganda

    Many of us already know – but keep pointing it out because if you do Robert maybe one day these MSM types will learn the following:

    “You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time”.

    The US MSM media are propaganda tools. They have proved it over and over again. And now the American people do not trust them – for good reason. They are like lying teenagers who told their parents they went to the movies when they were at a rave high on ecstasy. Come to think of it – these MSM media types must be high to believe that some of us do not understand who is jerking their chains and why.

    Gig is up Deep State. We know your deal. Time to think up some new “stuff”.

    • Sam F
      December 30, 2016 at 07:38

      Yes, the secret agencies have truly betrayed the people of the United States, and must be nearly abolished. They have never warned the US of a real threat, and have produced fearmongering propaganda for every US foreign policy disaster, and have conducted every unconstitutional secret war, all for traitors and fanatics of the oligarchy. They are a totalitarian “dark state” that has ruined the United States, and must be abolished.

      • Joe Tedesky
        December 30, 2016 at 16:47

        These are the same agencies that said Iraq had WMD’s, and I might add these same agencies didn’t suspect that anyone would fly a plane into the WTC.

      • Boondocks Saint
        December 30, 2016 at 16:56

        Yes, Sam F.

        We do not need expanding agencies of bureaucrats sucking up tax money and doing nothing of importance.
        The CIA is a waste of tax dollars and is responsible for reprehensible crimes all over the globe. Homeland Security is a waste of tax dollars and should never have come into existence in the first place. The FBI is a bureaucratic institution that is more about politics than the rule of law.

        All of these unaccountable entities need to be gutted. Homeland Security needs to go. The staff at the FBI needs to be cut in 1/2 and the CIA needs to be a part of the Department of Defense. Local police departments around the country must be given the resources they need to help the American people (and not under some UN agenda).

        Enough with the NSA, the CIA, the FBI, the DIA, and the rest of these alphabet agencies where people with little to no education or analytical ability make $100 K + a year for illegally spying on their fellow Americans.

        Its really no wonder the US government has become such a joke – we have egotistical, overpaid, unaccountable, holier-than-thou unethical and immoral bureaucratic twits running the country who do not answer to Congress (and who even refuse to appear before Congress when asked) and whose mandates come from “smoking men” in banker back rooms (although they are not aware enough to understand this fact).

        For the sake of the good people of this country – this must change. These agencies must be held accountable for their actions. Those of us that know what is going on are not going to be slaves to the immoral and unethical globalist agenda any longer.

        That is a fact.

  17. backwardsevolution
    December 30, 2016 at 03:55

    Obama is acting like a little boy, a child, but he’s not doing this on his own. He’s being instructed to go after Putin, sanction the Russians, claim they hacked the emails. Everything Obama is doing now is in the interest of his next cushy job, and he’s taking his assignment seriously. “This is what we chose you for, Barack, to lie when we tell you to. We pull your strings, and you pull the strings of the American public. That was the deal. Now, get out there and lie!” Obama is pleasing his patrons, and he will be rewarded handsomely for this task.

    Obama and the rest of them should really be behind bars for what they are doing. And Obama should be stripped of his Peace prize. All of them should be booed, shamed and ostracized for lying to the world.

    • Sam F
      December 30, 2016 at 07:34

      Yes, the Nobel committee should definitely retract their Peace Prizes when the winner fails to deliver. They are throwing away their credibility now; it is quite low.

      • Bill Bodden
        December 30, 2016 at 14:17

        Over at the once-prestigious The Nation, Katrina Van Den Heuvel proposed that Kerry should get a Nobel Peach Prize for his speech. It appears she got lots of responses that strongly disagreed. See the link at “Why Obama waited 8 years to take on Netanyahu” By Philip Weiss –

        • msavage
          December 30, 2016 at 19:33

          Katrina Van Den Heuvel, married to Stephen F. Cohen, a writer on the Soviet Union and a professor of Russian Studies at Princeton University. Most likely both are paid propagandists for Deep State. Nobel Peace Prize, my arse!

          • Realist
            December 30, 2016 at 23:05

            You are totally wrong about Stephen F. Cohen. Most of what you and everyone here believes about Russia undoubtedly first came from him and he has paid the price by being blackballed by the government, the media and his colleagues in academia. Listen to his weekly chats with John Batchelor which are posted on the Nation website and you’ll see that he is no deep state apologist. Go here (, you’ll see all of his discussions with Batchelor going back to the beginning of this Obama/Neocon-initiated fiasco with Russia posted chronologically. He was probably the first person to mobilise, as best he could facing such repression from the establishment, against the anti-Russian movement and the new Cold War. He candidly admits that he and Van den Hueval, though both liberals, do not agree on every political issue. He has been overtly anti-Obama and anti-Clinton while neutral to slightly favoring Trump. His second choice seemed to be Rand Paul (before he dropped out of the race), who shares most of Ron Paul’s aversion to wars and American interference around the globe. Don’t condemn potentially useful allies before you know what they stand for.

    • msavage
      December 30, 2016 at 07:39

      “Obama and the rest of them should really be behind bars for what they are doing. And Obama should be stripped of his Peace prize. All of them should be booed, shamed and ostracized for lying to the world”

      Agreed. And I wake up this morning to find that Obama has gone through with his threat of sanctions against Russia. I don’t know what’s more frightening and frustrating–watching this all unfold, or doing so alone. Living in a firmly blue state, I am surrounded by family, friends and acquaintances who firmly believe that Obama is a great guy and has served us well as president. It’s terrifying and isolating. I don’t even have anyone I can talk to about this as I watch my country go down the road to another cold war under false pretenses and under the leadership of possibly the most duplicitous and evil president in modern history. The people all around me practically view him as a saint! Help!

      • Joe Tedesky
        December 30, 2016 at 11:10

        You are not alone.

      • December 30, 2016 at 12:52

        Well Putin must have been waiting for that. Good judo (or chess?) on Putin’s part. He is NOT doing the usual tit-for-tat diplomatic expulsions. Instead he is inviting the children of diplomats to take part in the new year’s celebrations (I think the new year’s, but certainly inviting them in for fun and games stuff, social stuff). Makes Obama into a laughing stock looking so severe and expelling 35 Russians. It really takes the air out of Obama’s actions. There is no where for O to Go. Well played, Vlad!

        • msavage
          December 30, 2016 at 14:09

          I guess we can hope that Putin continues to play his own cards with a level head, and continues to make Obama look like a childish, petulant fool.

      • msavage
        December 31, 2016 at 10:27

        To Realist: You are absolutely right. I made an assumption about Cohen based upon his wife’s ridiculous suggestion, and probably other things I’ve read in the MSM. Based upon what you’ve said, I can certainly understand why he’d be demonized by them. I will check out the sources you’ve suggested. It sounds like he is actually an ally, after all. Thank you.

  18. Joe Tedesky
    December 30, 2016 at 02:22

    The Hillary side of this political equation is now using her popular vote card, it’s the only one they have left to play. To at least discredit Trump, or hopefully to even add more fuel to the fire for his eventual impeachment hearings, it is most important to rally this well cultivated populace base and put them to work….the Wall St. Democrate’s have been gas lighting this crowd for a very long time now, and now is the time to rustle up this vast wealth of infant liberals and drive them all into a hissy fit to now hate Russia.

    The identity minded liberal was utterly shocked at how Putin threw the Pussy Riot girls in jail….in truth Putin didn’t arrest these crazy church crashers the local police did, and so what if the noble Pussy Riot CIA trained singers (they can’t sing) upset some Russian grandma’s who were trying to pray…this isn’t my grandma in Jersey so who gives a flying fudge sicle anyway? The identity crowd (who I truly love…seriously they are not all that bad…some are my grandchildren) but these poor souls honestly believe that Putin and all of the Russian people are homophobes at their worst.

    Read this about Russian gay life….

    My liberal sports friends thought it quite fitting to make sure Russian Olympiads were barred from being in the 2016 Olympics. Hardly any of these American sports fans had even ever heard of the McLaren Report, let alone read it…doesn’t matter Russians are bad, and they are drugged up thugs to, why because MSNBC said so, and Rachel doesn’t lie, she’s fun to.

    And why does a movement, a generation, who preaches to ‘be who you are’ make fun of a shirtless Russian leader. Hey what sells in Russia, may not sell in Manhattan, but the picture wasn’t even taken in New York either…think children, think.

    All of what I described is how the new young and sometimes older liberal has been groomed. Somehow, someway, the left has been hijacked by a propaganda mill which quite honestly has bend the truth, and distorted the narravative so bad, that these young liberals can’t begin to see how they are being reeled in for the kill. When I tell them how they are all being used for a purpose other than what they think, well then I’m an old conspiracy buff who goes on crazy websites… I think I’m that old white hair man staggering down the street in ‘Fistful of Dollars”…before I forget you can’t like Clint because he made fun of Obama, but what if I like his movies. Sorry you can’t separate reality from movies, but you can believe a reality that was scripted in Langley.

    Obama is pulling on that cord of Hillary’s popular voter, and I’m not sure the voter even knows it. This whole anti-Russian campaign is ill thought out. Just think of how awful things usually go where the CIA is involved, and I rest my case.

    One thing Trump should keep in mine, is come January 20th 2017 he would do himself a favor to notice that the same Republican legislators who back Israel will no doubt be the same congresspeople who will set roadblocks between any détente with Vladimir Putin and him. After congress Trump will be getting it from all the Cable News Networks maybe even Fox, the View, Late Night tv hosts, and countless other media vehicles like sitcom jabs, and stand up comics looking for a laugh. Soon Bill Maher will be out with a new season, and with that I will let you imagine the rest of what’s ahead.

    Here is a lyric from Lennon/McCatney;

    Your inside is out and your outside is in
    Your outside is in and your inside is out
    So come on (Ho) come on (Ho)
    Come on is such a joy
    Come on is such a joy
    Come on let’s make it easy
    Come on let’s make it easy
    Make it easy (Hoo) make it easy (Hoo)
    Everybody’s got something to hide except for me and my monkey

    • Realist
      December 30, 2016 at 04:33

      There’s deep truth in your words. Obama and the Dems didn’t give a flying fig about Russian “hacking” DURING the campaign when she was expected to win with a 98% probability. Back then, the buzz meant to deflect from the inconvenient truths being leaked was that they were “counterfeit,” and that everyone must vote down Donald Trump because he is “Putin’s Puppet.” No hysteria about hacking yet because for them to “know” that would have implied Washington’s own hacking. With the election in the history books, well, now we have the outrage of a win by Donald J. Trump that was never supposed to happen in an election that was probably orchestrated down to the exact moment 270 electoral votes were realised with returns from California and an ensuing victory speech. Then probably admonishments to Mr. Trump not to be a sore loser and make a prompt concession speech so everyone could go on to the all-night after party. Clearly the onus must be on someone other than government insiders, the stacked media and Hillary herself. Obama needed a quick change of lyrics, since his legacy had suddenly gone up in smoke: “Please allow me to introduce myself, I’m a man of wealth and taste. I’ve been around for a long, long year. Stole many a man’s soul and faith.” Now I’ve stolen the presidency of the United States for my new puppet, Donald J. Trump. My name is Vladimir Putin but everyone in America calls me the Devil.

      Clearly, the new Cold War is now to be fought not only against Russia across thousands of miles on the other side of the planet, but also against the incoming president… because he was not the anointed one. He was not the intended puppet of the Deep State and must be blocked from taking office (hence the recounts, hence the blatant politicking of the Electors, and hence the vociferous accusations of hacking the elections by Russia in the complete absence of any evidence for such). Short of achieving that goal, he must be blocked from reaching any sort of rapprochement with Russia, even if it means a new cold war, a shooting war, even a nuclear war. So, we must throw up every possible obstacle in his way before he takes office, recruiting every Democrat, every Neocon, every liberal interventionist, every War Party Republican, every old Cold War warrior and MIC in-office lobbyist like McCain and Graham, the entire corporate “mainstream” media AND a raft of knee-jerk liberal partisan celebrities like Michael Moore who basically threatens an insurrection on Inauguration Day. There will be chaos. There will be madness. And, there probably will be blood. Obama, though a dolt, can see it as well as anyone who pays the slightest attention to American politics, and he doesn’t care. He has no interest in maintaining “domestic tranquility.” He was entrusted to maintain the ultimate political power in this nation by his handlers and he failed. Hence, it becomes permissible to tear the system down under the outsider, President Trump, who in actual fact beat both the Democratic and Republican establishments to accomplish what he did. Destroying that at all costs is acceptable collateral damage to the Deep State. Just wait for the Feuerwerken if this ( ) comes to pass as promised by the outraged zealots for Hillary. Perhaps this is meant to be America’s Maidan, and the end of even orchestrated elections. But it won’t happen unless Obama keeps the losing side riled up to the boiling point, which is exactly what he seems to be doing. I fear THAT may be the unspoken surprise you think TPTB may have in store for us and all the saps who literally accept the pap dispensed by the political parties and the media, Joe.

      Such a contentious transfer of power would never have happened in the past. Even Al Gore bowed to the wishes of the Deep State transmitted via the Supreme Court and conceded though he had actually won which would have been demonstrated in a complete Florida recount. Wise men in influential positions behind the scenes would have mediated a peaceful resolution, rather than stoking the tensions as Obama is doing. Bill Clinton, who had as much constitutional right to step in and interfere in the 2000 election as did the Supreme Court (i.e., none) did not utter a word on the matter. If the states could not break the deadlock, the Congress was, and is, the next agency in line to resolve the matter. However, we know that both then and now with voting on strict partisan lines as always, that would have guaranteed Bush win and will ensure a Trump win. So, Obama and Hillary have NO institutional crutch with which to steal power in a last ditch effort. What is left but a coup, a hard coup after the soft one already failed? Especially if you make it seem popularly inspired and real blood flows, as they did in Maidan? I hope that Obama and the insiders finally give it up and none of this comes to pass. But, then they simply move on to obstructing Trump from Day One with an eye towards his potential impeachment. The next four years will be no more functional or peaceful for this republic than the past 16 have been. The Deep State and its MIC appendage thrive on chaos, so they will win and control our misery, I mean our lives, same as it ever was. By 2020, they will have decided who gets the next turn living in the White House. No “outsiders” (like Trump or Sanders) will need apply.

      • Joe Tedesky
        December 30, 2016 at 10:44

        Realist you bring up a good point mentioning how when Hillary had the lead the Russians weren’t a threat. I forgot all about that moment in time, thanks for reminding me.

        Trump broke a rule in the first debate when he exposed the truth of how he had given money to all kinds of politicians so as to gain favor with them, once they were in office. Politicians aren’t suppose to say these kind of things. I’m no Trump fan, but I loved it when he brought this up.

        I don’t know what kind of America we are going have having Donald Trump as president. What I’am relieved over is that Hillary won’t be sitting in the Oval Office. I might had that if Trump does make a crummy leader, well then there is protest, and petition, and rallying the base to come up with a more suitable candidate to run for the presidency. Before America blamed the Russians for our political failures the American way was to protest, and petition. We should return to that value, and the sooner the better….leave Russia out of this.

    • Joe Tedesky
      December 30, 2016 at 11:06

      Sam F all those things I mentioned, whether it be Pussy Riot or Shirtless Vlad, is an effort to demean the Russian Federation. It’s good you can see through this, because not everyone does see this as the scam it is. Our country’s political correctness campaign puts me, and maybe you, in a box by calling us ‘Tinfoiled Hat Conspiracist’. Debate, and conversation, needs to be controlled, and by using these titles such as they do it works enough to quiet us down, or at least to make us irrelevant.

      Honoring a gay persons orientation is a good thing, but using a political correctness modeled on the inquisition is (ready for this) ‘deplorable’. Electing a woman president just because the candidate is a woman, is throughly insane. America has never had an Italian in the White House, so should you vote for me? I’m all for a woman president, I have five daughters and a wife who is president of a company, but putting Hillary in the Oval Office…no, can’t seem to gather the enthusiasm enough to do that.

      Hillary loss due to her stubborn sense of hubris, and her failure at creating a strategy to win the Electoral votes. The team that wins isn’t necessarily the one who gained the most yards, if the opposing team made the most touchdowns. If you want to see unfairness watch the 1960 MLB World Series…I’m a Pittsburgher, but now at the age of sixty six I will admit the 1960 Yankees were the better team, only Mazeroski’s home run is still the winning run, and most Yankee fans did accept that….no one blamed Kruschev.

  19. Joe Tedesky
    December 30, 2016 at 01:04

    Watch and listen to this CNN interview. Then let’s talk about what is wrong with American media today.

  20. Zachary Smith
    December 30, 2016 at 00:55

    I like the summary at Zero Hedge on the motivation of Obama & company.

    The true target of these sanctions is Donald Trump.

    By imposing sanctions on Russia, Obama is lending the authority of the Presidency to the CIA’s claims of Russian hacking, daring Trump to deny their truth.

    If Trump as President allows the sanctions to continue, he will be deemed to have accepted the CIA’s claims of Russian hacking as true.

    If Trump cancels the sanctions when he becomes President, he will be accused of being Russia’s stooge.

    It is a well known lawyer’s trick, and Obama the former lawyer doubtless calculates that either way Trump’s legitimacy and authority as President will be damaged, with the insinuation that he owes his Presidency to the Russians now given extra force.

    Like so many of Obama’s other moves in the last weeks of his Presidency, it is an ugly and small minded act, seeking to undermine his successor as President in a way that is completely contrary to US tradition.

    Obama = ugly and small minded is about the way I’m now viewing him.

  21. ltr
    December 29, 2016 at 22:54

    The intense disdain for Russia that is the result of the daily press attacks really worries me.

  22. exiled off mainstreet
    December 29, 2016 at 22:47

    The Times, the Post, the Obama regime, Time Magazine, NPR, NBC, CNN and all of the others make up the framework of the fascist deep state. We will see if this can be changed by Trump or if things have progressed too far for remedial action.

    • Anon
      December 30, 2016 at 08:01

      Yes, if Trump is deceived or controlled by secret agencies and other agents of oligarchy, then the possibility of a solution through executive overreach is diminished. A truly progressive president could still restore democracy, but the Dems are likely to catch any backlash against Trump by simply finding another fake liberal candidate and buying influence with money from Israel & co.

      Perhaps we will see geriatric truck bombers taking out mass media offices and infrastructure; that would allow some hope.

    • tony
      January 1, 2017 at 10:33

      With an administration chalk-full of millionaires, billionaires, plutocrats, CEO’s, oligarchs and big-business sell-outs, I will be calling the Trump administration the ‘Trump regime’.

  23. Abe
    December 29, 2016 at 22:40

    It’s important to note what the FBI/DHS Joint Analysis Report does NOT say …

  24. Bill Bodden
    December 29, 2016 at 22:22

    So, The New York Times misled its readers by claiming that the FBI/DHS report released Thursday was “detailing” how the Russians carried out the operation,…

    The NYT again carries out its real, if unofficial, mission.

    • msavage
      December 31, 2016 at 10:33

      Wow, Brad Owen: What you describe sounds a bit out there, but totally beautiful. I wish I could believe that this is a possible future for our planet.

      • Brad Owen
        December 31, 2016 at 12:13

        It’s coming sooner than anyone thinks, like, in the midst of the Security Establishment planning how to counter Soviet Union/Warsaw Pact threats in the coming decades and WHOOSH it ALL disappears in a couple of years. This is the way of the World and its dancing ZeitGeists; things persist seemingly indomitably, until things suddenly, for unforeseen reasons, change, and newer thoughts and ideas suddenly displace older ones. You can count on this scenario playing out again and again.

  25. Bill Bodden
    December 29, 2016 at 22:18

    But the Times article does inadvertently make the interesting admission that the U.S. government has penetrated Russian computers, …

    The U.S. government has been hacking into Russian computers? How can that be? Our government officials are the good guys, pure as the driven snow making us the moral leaders for the world. The next thing we will be told is that the U.S. government is hacking China’s, Turkey’s, the Palestinian Authorities, and others’ computers. I’m shocked, really shocked.

    • Dube
      December 30, 2016 at 00:05

      But you see, as the good guys, we do not hack into computers, we gather intelligence.

      • Incredulous
        December 30, 2016 at 05:04

        When America does it, it’s in the name of freedom. Others who do the same thing are cyber terrorists. Of course Russia has hacked the US government. That’s what 21st century espionage is. Bye bye James Bond. Hello Mr. Robot. All countries do it. It’s how the game is played. But I tend to agree with Craig Murray, who is quoted in this article. He believes that the emails in question, leaked from the DNC and Podesta, are not from Russian hackers, but from a disgruntled insider and an American intelligence service with an agenda. What’s most mystifying is how the whole focus of this story, in the MSM, is who hacked who, while nobody is talking about the content of the emails. If this much effort is being put into deflecting our attention away from that, they must contain some pretty damning stuff. I highly recommend checking out Craig Murray’s excellent blog. He has some very insightful opinions about world politics.

    • Sam F
      December 30, 2016 at 07:22

      Yes, certainly the lie of US innocence tells us that the message is all lies, plus any convenient coincidence with the truth.

      The story here is that the Dems are agents of foreign powers, Israel and Saudi Arabia. That is what they must conceal with fearmongering about Russia. Look at the Podesta connection and the Hillary emails. No one without a Jewish name talks to Hillary about the Mideast.

      Of course the Reps openly believe in corruption=productivity and money=virtue.

      The Dems are agents of foreign powers. That is the story.

      • msavage
        December 30, 2016 at 08:21

        “The Dems are agents of foreign powers. That is the story.” I agree, but there are different theories re motivations for these relationships between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia and Israel. Would you care to share you views? I’m still forming my opinions on this front.

        • Sam F
          December 30, 2016 at 10:05

          Both Israel and Saudi Arabia attract opportunists with the prospect of money and job rewards. Saudi Arabia has cash for political bribes and little support. It has no value to the US as an oil supplier because we can buy oil from anyone who has it, like everyone else. Israel has no value to the US, nor support except through zionism.

          In the US, zionism operates as a mutual-threat gang, reliant upon propaganda of the threat to those who object (control of mass media). The enforcement is by opportunist recruits in the college, workplace, etc. Many Jews do not agree with zionism but cannot object, and find it very advantageous. It is the same as fascism everywhere, and merely seems ironic as the response to the long-ago fascist discrimination against them.

          The only tenet of US zionism is obviously false, that somehow special privileges are owed to Jews due to their long-deceased co-ethnic survivors among the vast victim counts of WWII, a vacuous claim to special privileges. Do we give special privileges to Chinese and Russian Americans, on the grounds that they had twice and three times as many dead co-ethnics in WWII as did the Jews? Even unrelated people, long after all survivors have passed away? No, no one even talks of such a thing. The basic zionist claim to special privileges is pure propaganda. So opportunist zionists are recruited with false promises of benefits for those who assist them in gaining special privileges, and fear of retaliation against those who object. That fear is well founded. The opportunist recruits operate a mutual-threat gang that even they are afraid of.

          • Bill Bodden
            December 30, 2016 at 14:08

            Then there is the ethnic cleansing of Native Americans. Would all these people supporting Israel’s falsely claimed right to Palestine support the right of Native Americans to reclaim the land that once comprised their nations? Of course not when hypocrisy and double standards prevail.

          • Sam F
            December 30, 2016 at 19:25

            Yes, zionism is perhaps the last and most explicitly racist form of colonialism.

            Another tenet of zionism is the notion that “Jesus was Jewish” therefore Jews are owed special privileges. Regardless of the history, this is absurd. Apparently he was ethnically Jewish, but founded a distinct religion, so did he not owe special privileges to those he broke from? Does every religion owe special privileges to the descendants of members of predecessor religions? Do Protestants owe special privileges to Catholics, or do they owe that to Muslims? Don’t the descendants of religions before Judaism deserve even more privileges? Should we all convert back to polytheism or even shamanism so as to merit the greatest privileges? Or is atheism at the top of the heap? None of these necessary conclusions is even discussed. More propaganda.

          • William
            January 3, 2017 at 19:36

            Sam, thank you for your comment. I agree that Israel and — to a much smaller degree — Saudi Arabia expect and receive special privileges from the U.S. Israel in particular wields enormous power and influence over the U.S. congress, which is a shameless, disgraceful, self-serving body of cowardly traitors.
            Murder, rape, pillage, theft, brutality, and general cruelty mean absolutely nothing to our elected representatives as long as the blood, severed limbs, burned children, and other savagery do not happen in their district. It is all right to murder, shoot, and brutalize Palestinians BECAUSE they do not have any significant political influence in this country.
            Power makes right, and since Israel has enormous political clout, our congress kow tows and grovels before Israel and their leader M. Yahoo.

        • Brad Owen
          December 30, 2016 at 10:26

          The one historical connection that connects these three parties you’ve named (SA, Israel, USA) is the British Empire (just one, and the biggest one, of the many Euro- Empires). SA owes its’ existence to “Lawrence of Arabia” type shenanigans, Israel is the production of the 19th/20th century Cecli Rhodes RoundTable Group, to secure the African continent(for European Imperialists) against the rise of a future rival Muslim Empire. What better way to accomplish this mission than inserting a hostile group in their midst, than fighting to protect the rights of their existence, thus keeping the Muslim World in disarray and distracted from developing the well-being of their citizens, keeping them on the jihadi trail? The other mission of the RoundTable Group was to recapture their ” rogue colony” USA via anglophilic Factions ( such as Anglophile Teddy Roosevelt,thus the assassination of Irish-American President McKinley, use of JP Morgan and other Anglophile Wall Street bankers) against the anglophobic, generic Nationalists such as Hamilton, Henry Clay, Lincoln, Friedrich List, Henry Carey, McKinley, FDR, JFK, etc…They’ve largely succeeded in their mission against U.S. Nationalists, making USA the muscle for Empire (most definitely not of our choosing)…BUT they are failing before the “Changing of the ZeitGeist” now sweeping across the World as we speak: theRusso-Chinese BRICS Silk Road win-win policies taking the World like a firestorm, peeling off allies to Empire one by one, even Brexit and Trump are signs of the breakup of the banker/Bilderberger oligarchs’ Empire as we speak. So hurry up and figure out what’s going on, because geopolitics and Empire are about to quite rapidly disappear from the face of the Earth (like the rapid disappearance of USSR/Warsaw Pact, so that Russia could be prepared to midwife the birth of a new ZeitGeist).

          • December 30, 2016 at 11:45

            That’s a very useful comment. Never thought of McKinley as a target of the Milner Round Table, but I can see the sense of it. Add in Jerusalem Governor General in 1920 Ronald Storr’s remark that Israel “would be for us a little loyal Ulster in a sea of hostile Arabism” as well as Rhodes’ plans for the “recovery of North America”.

          • msavage
            December 30, 2016 at 14:03

            Wow, thank you, Brad Owen and Sam F–both of you. You’ve given me a lot to think about.

          • msavage
            December 30, 2016 at 16:09

            “So hurry up and figure out what’s going on, because geopolitics and Empire are about to quite rapidly disappear from the face of the Earth (like the rapid disappearance of USSR/Warsaw Pact, so that Russia could be prepared to midwife the birth of a new ZeitGeist).”

            To be replaced by what, do you think?

          • Brad Owen
            December 31, 2016 at 08:41

            TO msavage: geopolitics and Empire to be replaced, via China’s one belt/one road win-win policy, by global cooperation among the World’s Nations upon a plethora of development projects to promote the general welfare and improve the wel-being of all people everywhere. To increase amount of power available to perform more work and greater productivity per capita ( nuclear fission and nuclear fusion powerplants). The idea will take hold upon the hearts and minds of people that, all along, we could have been creating massive “armies” of workers in cooperative endeavors to redress ALL of the World’s problems and perceived shortages, that in fact there are no shortages, only shortages in creative imagination applied towards productive ends. For example, how crazy is it to think in terms of water shortages on a frickin WATER PLANET? What’s needed is a serious water desalination/distribution/management worldwide program to turn all deserts into grasslands and forests, thereby increasing biomass and eat up CO2, producing more oxygen in the process. This can’t be seriously done without nuclear power plants. But behind all of this is that the new idea “we can and MUST work together produce increases in everything, instead of fighting each other over falsely-perceived shortages of everything” will firmly take hold of the hearts and minds of people, like ” oh yeah!What were we thinking?!Why didn’t we think of doing this all along?!?” With the invention of nuclear fusion power plants, we will have secured all our energy needs for thousands of years to come, during which time we’ll make other discoveries and inventions and become an interstellar species living on many planets in many star systems, numbering in our hundreds of billions, terra-forming all along the way, after having learned to do this here on Earth, greening the deserts. Also with nuclear fusion comes the invention of the Fusion Torch, which practically acts like Star Trek’s replicator, and we’ll be able recycle all waste, recombining their atoms into useful materials. Shortages wil become as obsolete as wars and armies of soldiers. The new ZeitGeist will make people wonder how they could have ever accepted the mass murder of their fellow humans, precious units of creativity and productivity, gone forever. THIS is the new ZeitGeist.

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