Hillary Clinton’s scheme for a “no-fly zone” – if implemented withouth the Syrian government’s approval – would be an act of war and a risk of a nuclear showdown with Russia, says ex-Congressman Dennis Kucinich.
By Dennis Kucinich
The most consequential statement by former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in Wednesday night’s debate was her pronouncement that a no-fly zone over Syria could “save lives and hasten the end of the conflict,” that a no-fly zone would provide “safe zones on the ground” was in “the best interests of the people on the ground in Syria” and would “help us with our fight against ISIS.”
It would do none of the above. A U.S. attempt to impose a no-fly zone in Syria would, as Secretary Clinton once cautioned a Goldman Sachs audience, “kill a lot of Syrians,” and, according to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, General Dunford, lead to a war with Russia. If the U.S. has not been invited into a country to establish a “no-fly zone” such an action is, in fact, an invasion, an act of war.
Syrian women and children refugees at Budapest railway station. (Photo from Wikipedia)
It is abundantly clear from our dark alliance with Saudi Arabia and our conduct in support of jihadists in Syria that our current leaders have learned nothing from Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya as we prepare to plunge head-long into the abyss of a world war.
Our international relations are built upon lies to promote regime changes, the fantasy of a unipolar world ruled by America, and a blank check for the national security state.
As others prepare for war, we must prepare for peace. We must answer the mindless call to arms with a thoughtful, soulful call to resist the coming build-up for war. A new, resolute peace movement must arise, become visible and challenge those who would make war inevitable.
We must not wait until the Inauguration to begin to build a new peace movement in America.
Dennis Kucinich is a former congressman from Ohio and a candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2004 and 2008. [This commentary originally appeared at http://worldbeyondwar.org/dennis-kucinich-war-peace/]
Kucinich skirted around the essence of ME problem: Israel wants chaos among pro-Palestinian Arabs. US administration has to go along with this because the Israeli lobby and its Sayanim army make sure, with superb organization and funding, that only pro-Israel Democrats and Republicans are elected to Congress.
Candidates for the US presidency should first of all undergo a psychological if not psychiatric examination. This should be a standard routine requirement.
Well said. Time for all of you to support Trump as he probably will not pursue dangerous, short sighted policies that will bring us into conflict with Russia while Clinton most assuredly will.
A no fly zone can only be declared by Syria together with Russia support, which two countries should monitor adherence to the no fly zone. All other not invited countries should be banned from flying over Syrian airspace. Syria is a legitimate sovereign country and no other country has the right to ban Syria from flying within its own airspace. This would hasten a successful outcome of the war.
So, Dennis, are you finally going to endorse someone other than a Democrat? Someone sane?
Who are these unamed and mysterious Israeli Lobby/Jewish Lobby/Neocon forces driving us into yet ANOTHER ‘Clean Break Plan-War’, Mr Kucinich?
If you do not have the chestnuts to name the problem then how is this peace movement going to even get off the ground?
Get real – Hillary IS a Neocon and all the Neocons have flocked to her side – she is Dick Cheney with a pantsuit.
CALL IT LIKE IT IS and quit pussyfooting around
Well I may as well weigh in here after watching Thirteen Days tonight. I was born a year after the Cuban Missile Crisis but I’m old enough to remember the Cold War and the fear we all lived under. You got used to it after a while but it never went away. I remember my dad telling me one day it would be my turn to go to Vietnam to stop the Reds invading Australia. I was ten at the time and used to go to bed pissing myself in terror. My dad was a full on supporter of the war against Communism and used to fret about the missile gap.
When the wall came down and Gorbachev withdrew Soviet troops from Eastern Europe I felt like many, a sense of overwhelming relief and emotion. It wasn’t a perfect peace by any means but at least the threat of nuclear war had been scaled down somewhat and I remember the promise of President H.W Bush not to advance NATO one inch further east.
Fast forward to today and we are right back where we were during the Cold War and I blame the short sightedness of politicians and the military industrial complex for their stupidity in letting it all go. Unlike the rest of us, they saw it as a way of gaining the upper hand against Russia and NATO swallowed up more nations until they were knocking at Russia’s door. I blame the greed of Western industrialists and the greed of Russian oligarchs who reduced Russia’s GDP to the size of the Netherlands. Is it any wonder Putin was so well received after the drunken Yeltsin was finally deposed? He at least restored order and let’s not forget the Russians have no understanding of democracy as we know it but they do have the freedom to speak out. They do have the freedom to move from place to place and yes the Russians do love their children too as Sting once sung. But still the tabloid press here in Britain and the right wing press in America wants to keep poking the Russian bear until he does bite back and then they’ll say see we told you he was bad but you didn’t listen.
What is needed here is not no fly zones. Syria is a bloody quagmire, a never ending tragedy with so many conflicting parties and yet we think we can solve this? Who are we kidding? America can’t fix this, Russia can’t fix this. Syria can if they have the will to lay down their arms and talk peace and they will when enough have died. A country can only immolate itself for so long before enough is enough. We can’t accuse Russia of war crimes without acknowledging our own war crimes in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and other places. Our hands are not lily white, they’re as bloody as the Russian hands. Now more than ever we need people of peace, men and women of good will who are willing to back down and see things from another man’s perspective. We need people to walk a mile in another man’s shoes before throwing the first stone. In the end war is just a failure of diplomacy and the end of war is the beginning of diplomacy. Clinton may be the lesser evil than Trump but she is still a war hawk and we don’t need war hawks with access to the nuclear codes.
And if it does come to war with Russia with the real possibility of nuclear war then everybody dies, including me.
I’m certain Russians are quite capable of understanding “democracy as we know it.” The British and American “examples” aren’t that difficult to comprehend. Nor is it difficult to see through and past the thin veil of “democracy” that the American political establishment so profusely professes as “exceptional”.
I have to take issue with your take on the Syrian situation. Syria isn’t immolating itself…the dirty war is being foisted upon Syria by outside forces which include your dear government and mine. The Russians aren’t committing war crimes (unless you believe in the farce that is the White Helmets), but are rather doing a good job of helping Syria protect itself from vile mercenaries. Yes we can do something…stop aiding and abetting terrorism and let the Syrians have their home and their peace.
President Putin is a law school graduate. Like the FBI, the KGB required that employees have a university education. Mr. Putin keeps his action within international legal norms. He was invited into Syria by the legal elected government. The U.S. was invited by the Saudis to back their foreign head choppers. Therefore, the U.S. is in the right, correct?
I had to look up the COUDENHOVE-KALERGI plan and it fits right in with THE GREATER ISRAEL PROJECT and if you Google MASS MIGRATION AS A WEAPON OF WAR the puzzle picture becomes even clearer.
I sure miss Dennis in Congress … he is a gentle peace loving man.
Thanks, Dennis, for this very clear and concise indictment of the dangerous and illegal, aggressive war being promoted by Hillary Clinton (and by most of our political “leaders” of both parties). I just cast my early vote for Clinton, but only because the alternative would have been even worse on this as well as many other important issues. In any event, I agree that we who truly prefer peace over war have an obligation to do everything within our power to prevent the continuing promotion of aggressive wars in Syria and elsewhere by our “exceptional” nation. At 85, I must admit to being a bit discouraged, but we have been successful in stopping or limiting wars in Vietnam and even to some extent in Syria (at the time of the phony gas attacks); so there is still hope if we persevere.
Yes but you’ve left out the part about the early 1990s invasion by chiefly US-based neoconservative vultures in Russia when it was vulnerable and going through very new experiences, then Jeffery Sachs and the Shock Therapy crew (see Naomi Klein’s book for more information), then the US-assisted election of Yeltsin who assisted the rise of oligarchs, which left Putin with the job a good decade later of ridding the country of many of its oligarchs who were quite happy to hand on power, money and free oil to foreign interests – and then Putin’s government had to fix up the debt situatíon with IMF/World Bank as a priority (and is an extremely rare of example in being able to successfully do this)… all happening while Norway was happily going along in its US-hegemony compatible manner already being able to fully invest in its future fund, while Russia still had to correct for its losses. All this for a start makes any self-righteous comparison with Norway quite silly.
Thanks for this elucidation. I responded to lies-a-lot before getting down to your post…
Mr. Kucinich mentions Hillary Clinton’s “no-fly” remarks but completely ignores the fact that Clinton TWICE declared her plan for a direct military invasion of Syria:
Debate VIDEO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_JCUtfRhMA
“The goal here is to take back Mosul. It’s going to be a hard fight. I’ve got no illusions about that. And then continue to press into Syria to begin to take back and move on Raqqa, which is the ISIS headquarters.”
(video minutes 1:10-1:25)
“It’s going to be tough fighting. But I think we can take back Mosul and move on into Syria and take back Raqqa. This is what we have to do.”
(video minutes 6:30-6:40)
Planning and preparation are essential to the making of war. In the opinion of the Nuremberg Tribunal, aggressive war is a crime under international law. The Nuremberg Charter defined this offense as planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of an aggressive war.
Consortium News generally demonstrates a higher standard of journalism than the vast majority of mainstream or alternative media.
Mr. Kucinich, why have you failed to even mention the glaring fact that Hillary Clinton has twice declared her plan to wage an aggressive war?
Hillary is so mentally demented I can picture her laughing like this when she launches a nuclear attack … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtH7iv4ip1U
Too bad that anti-war activists are considered to be suspect by the FBI.
it is THE ODED YINON plan (however tweaked by later Likudnik Zionist Jews) which is proceeding along with the COUDENHOVE-KALERGI plan… Both real things, both explain much of todays crises.
You and TellTheTruth-2 are retards. I looked it up on the internet, and it is a far-right-wing conspiracy theory. The guy just wanted to create the European Union, and he welcomed immigration to get rid of racism.
“even from 1991 onward, the goal of US intervention across the planet has been to establish deeply-entrenched global hegemony before another rising world power could balance American geopolitical domination.
“Fast forward to today, with the US on the brink of war with Russia in Syria, and with China in the South China Sea, the United States has run out of time and finds the leading edge of its hegemonic ambitions chaffing against a reemerging Russia and a rising China.
“So while Washington has concocted an array of excuses as to why it is involved in Syria’s conflict, running the full gambit from fearing ‘weapons of mass destruction’ to fighting terrorists to addressing humanitarian concerns, the reality of America’s involvement in Syria boils down to the pursuit of the latest and most desperate leg of its rush to dominance before emerging world powers reintroduced balance and limits to Western hegemony.
“It is therefore incumbent upon the world to reject Washington’s various excuses for intervening in Syria, expose the truth driving its involvement in (and responsibility for) the conflict, confront Washington regarding its state sponsorship of terrorist organisations it itself has designated as such and bring the Syrian conflict as well as America’s latest ‘growth spurt’ to an abrupt end.
“Global peace and stability depends on bringing this decades-long global power-grab to an end, in an atmosphere of conflict and confrontation many fear may even lead to a direct confrontation between nuclear-armed states.”
What Washington Really Wants in Syria
By Joseph Thomas
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2016/10/what-washington-really-wants-in-syria.html
To get what you want would call for the ARREST of the Ziocon war mongers who control Hillary.
Abe, unfortunately you are wrong. The goal is not hegemony. That’s just a smoke screen. The real goal is to create chaos in as many places as possible, so US weapons manufacturers can sell weapons to both sides. Jill Stein was spot on when she said, “US foreign policy is a marketing strategy for selling weapons.”
Full gambit?
I believe you are spot on right . And it is maybe to late , Solzhenitsyn selected Putin for this task16 years ago . Both Russia and China have been preparing for this for more than 16 years now . Ever since the United States bombed the Chinese Embassy accidently on purpose ,and NATO issued orders to shoot Russian soldiers because they will try to protect Christians . Ever since these criminal incidents Russia and China have had the United States in their cross hairs . Russia and China were humiliated in Yugoslavia , They intend to get even I would guess . China told us only a few years ago the have not forgotten or forgiven what happened to them in Yugoslavia . I hope the United States doesn’t go so far as to make this a full scale nuclear war . I’am sure both Russia and China have a lot of new war equipment they would like to show us how it works . It has not been so great to be the worlds one and only stupid power .
Clinton is playing another game. Not the peaceful, honest and straightforward approach of Obama. Clinton would sell some ?Stinger? anti-aircraft weapons to S.A. and somehow, those weapons would end-up in the hands of the anti-Syrian fighters. Result: Russian planes will drop from the sky in the first 2, 3 days and afterwards the no-fly zone will be in place. Game – Set – Match to the Saudi’s. Will this now be a war-crime? I think not. If you get the Saudi’s to confess that they were involved somehow, you could try to get them convicted in the security council, but somehow I have the feeling that somebody is going to use his(her?) veto. Furthermore SA will claim that they noticed war-crimes/genocide being committed by Syrian government on their own population,..and that this simple fact justified their actions. Putin can continue his fight against the western world but this will push his country only more and more in isolation and poverty. What Russia needs urgently is some proper (educated) leadership, not a KGB agent who can’t think about anything else except secret western agents and spies.
Your caricature of Putin is “uneducated” and poorly drawn.
I take note of your comment. Let’s look at Putin’s work and then make a judgment on how he, as president, has been performing. Judging by the amount of natural resources (Oil, Gas, Gold, Nickel, Diamonds, Wood,..) present in Russia, this country should have the highest living standard in the entire world. Look at what makes the Norwegians so rich, look at where the middle-east gets their money from,… I mean any country that has this many resources should have no problem to pay bills, right? Let’s now see the situation in Russia. Healthcare: Let’s agree that it leaves very much to be desired. If you get a doctor to look at you, and you can find the medicine, and you can actually pay for it, then you have a good chance that the medicine is just a fake copy. Pensions: well, a pensioner better have a datscha if he wants to survive. Infrastructure: Roads filled with potholes is typical for Russia. Level of corruption: The president is leading by example. Freedom of Speech: The Russians are free to confirm and praise the Kremlin policy. Education: Influenced by politics. Sports: Great, but only if sufficient doping is received. Unemployment: Unless you sign-up in the red army, the chances to lose your job will increase year by year. Brain-drain? Check! Political opposition: Either in jail or killed. Inflation and economy: One going up, the other going down. But,…the country has been cleaned from foreign organizations! Foreign organizations like “Mothers of Russian soldiers”. So, how would you rate this president then? I call it KGB-educated, but no material for becoming president.
Naomi Klein’s book “The Shock Doctrine” might give you a sense of the desperate situation Putin inherited. The Russian recovery, in no small part due to Putin’s broad-ramging intelligence and foresight, is remarkable. Anyone with a modicum of fair-mindedness and good sense should find Putin to be a cultivated, well-educated, and well-spoken individual. That is, if one is willing to do some homework and not buy into “Western sources say” claptrap.
I might also recommend “Does Russia Have A Future?”, by Gilbert Doctorow.
In case you haven’t noticed, Putin is a duly elected President with broad support and popularity. You might also take note of the economic difficulties, sorry health “care”, neglected infrastructure, political corruption, and pension-raiding here in the States. And let’s not get started on the over-militarized “national security” surveillance state and all that that entails.
And by the way, thanks for the belly laugh…”peaceful, honest, and straightforward approach of Obama.”
Naomi Klein’s book “The Shock Doctrine” is much more relevant to describing the Neocons and what they did to the US after 9-11
In fact – the Shock Doctrine is ABOUT the Neocon Chicago Boys
An impressive list, but it doesn’t explain Putin’s popularity in the 80% range!!!
Google, “Putin’s popularity rating”
It reminds me of the saying, “better to be lucky than good”
As I have said many times already – I am Russian and live in Russia. I’m 30 years old and I don’t remeber USSR time, but my older brother do. And there’s no doubt about what time is better. Regarding this funny Lieselotte post… I agree, yeah, why not.
We have poor roads. But, not in the whole country. Unfortunately, my oblast’ is in the list with poor roads. Moreover, right before the recent elections in GosDuma (State Duma) they had repaired it. Haha, of course, everybody in the country understand that our main party, Edinaya Rossiya (United Russia) is a party of frauds like… tadam, surprise, all the others… and all the others in the world, it’s in people’s nature!
Healthcare. WOW! The greatest revelation. I have some good Russian contacts abroad, they like living there, so there’s no bias in their judgement and comparisons. Not friends whatsoever. So, what do they say to me. My contacts in NZ and USA perfectly describe to me healthcare in these countries. It’s almost PAID FOR and very expensive SERVICES. And unless You don’t have a good insurance, You are dead! Let’s come back to Russia. Yeah, maybe medicine questionable, but it’s FREE, not every service, however, but many!
Pensions. Well, yeah. Agreed. But dacha is cost money, so not every pensioner can afford it. So the situation is much worse! Old people are surviving. But that is because of corruption You had mentioned. And probably my president is the biggest corrupter. I don’t know, probably. But do You have any REAL, REAL evidence? No. So, shut the f***ck up!
Freedom of Speech – OMG, you are a walking JOKE! Don’t make me laugh. You’d better start to learn Russian to understand that LEVEL of FREEDOM in MEDIA is absolutely unique! Try to watch Russian channels and you will understand it. Almost every so-called liberast can talk whatever he wants about regime and Putin. Even personal offense and accusation! And everybody in the country would hear it, and nobody would die! Oh, yeah, Nemzov was shot from the Kremlin window by Putin himself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Another revelation.
Education, politics. What are you talking about, I don’t understand? What was it about? Another comment showing you know nothing.
Sport. OMG, doping, are you serious? So USA won twice as many as the others in latest Olympics just because they ate pure milk and carcass meat? And I think You aren’t even bothering your head that all these doping shit on my country and sportsmen and sportswomen wasn’t supported by any piece of evidence. And you don’t get bothered of those material which hackers had laid out, right? You are just continuing to establish yourself as a WALKING JOKE!
Unemployment. The seed of truth, yeah.
Well, sick and tired to continue making any unneccessary excuses and explanations. I think it’s enough already. You are an absolute JOKE!
I totally agree with ABE and GREGORY HERR. Lieselotte, your statement is so silly and naive.
Lieselotte, your polemic is misleading, shrill and uninformed. It is a Clintonian caricature of what today’s Russia is. And Putin is not “KGB-educated,” as you claim. He earned a cum laude law degree from the Law Faculty of the Leningrad State University, which was the best law school in the USSR. In comparison, your writing here is that of a “C+” student from an underfunded public high school….
OMG! Russia, the world’s largest nation, has potholes!
Betcha can’t find a single pothole in Norway or Saudi Arabia, let alone the United States.
Atlantic Council coffee cart pusher Lieselotte has been boning up on the NATO / GCC Cliff Notes reading list.
Lies-a-lot dead giveaway: “red army”
No, she’s right. If she is a shill, why does she criticize both sides?
The “dirty little secret” in Washington was Obama and Hillary were delivering heavy weapons to McCain’s ISIS buddies in Syria. That was an international war crime; but, because both the Reps and Dems were involved, neither side will tell the truth that is now being exposed by WikiLeaks.
Russia is and does have proper educated leadership .But the United state has only has NWO leadership which is global leadership bent on establishing United Nations control . Which is considerably more corrupt than any thing you have ever imagined
Have you ever listened to one of Putin’s speeches? You certainly cannot accuse him of being uneducated.
You are delusional. The US is flying sorties in support of US troops or puppet regime forces all over the Middle East, from Afghanistan to Libya. Once Jihadists get hold of SAMs, there are a lot more US targets around than Russian ones. In addition, the Russians, Iranians or anybody else who wants to put a stick in the eye of the US Empire can very inexpensively supply similar arms to be used against the US.
BTW it is the US that is getting bankrupted via a bloated war budget – no other country even comes close.
and THIS is why a strategic vote, in those states where the outcome is secure, is so important. it is in HRC’s interest to try to come through on her domestic policies. but it’s her international policies which we must beware. we need to keep reminding her she can’t take on all the challenges to our exalted military power AND take care of our middle-class issues (and have you noticed that “the poor” are no longer with us? no-one gives a damn about them, apparently – except that, out of economic desperation, they will volunteer for the military). Vote a protest protest vote for stein if this is important to you.
Last night I heard an authoritarian conservative Republican urge for peace with the other nuclear superpower, and the Democrat “Champion for human rights” red bait and accuse him of being a puppet while sabre rattling and escalating hostilities.
In other news, exposing Hillary Clinton’s attempt to rig the democratic primary and thus influence the general election is actually an attempt to influence the election by the people who exposed her. That’s a pretty nifty trick right there!
Also, the 2000 and 2004 elections were never tampered with and no democrat EVER tried to claim that. Ever heard anyone say “when the 2000 election was stolen”? Yeah, me neither. Right through the Looking Glass… lol.
It was NOT an attempt to rig the primary .. it was STOLEN from Bernie Sanders.
It seems blatantly obvious that Obama, Hillary and the US State Department have no intention of doing anything peacefully. Look what they accomplished in Libya! How about their hasty withdrawal from Iraq! But that’s OK folks, because the US government controls the opium trade out of Afghanistan! Wow, you have to love the US government. Syria on the other hand is their determination to start WWIII, and if they get their way, Russia will undoubtedly hand them their behinds on a platter. Evil cannot suceed. https://waitforthedownfall.wordpress.com/get-bashar-al-assad/
Hi Richard, what politicians say-that-they-want and what politicians really-want are 2 different things. Take Poroshenko: He says that the occupied territories should be returned to Ukraine, but in reality he thinks: Those regions can’t vote in an election and so the government will always be pro-West. (the occupied area are pro-Russia). Or take Putin. Putin thinks: As long as the population is thinking that we need to stick together against a common enemy then they won’t look at my internal mess. So let’s paint the US as the aggressor and keep the war threat going for another decade. I will make sure I am president until I die. Or take Obama. Obama thinks: Let’s bring Russia down in the next decade. Let them eat up their financial reserves,…and let the country be overwhelmed by poverty and unemployment. In a decade or so when Putin dies, Russia will disintegrate and I only need to worry about China. And China thinks: Let those 2 dogs fight it out while I will stand by and grow stronger. So you see: Everybody is happy with the current military escalation. And what they say behind a microphone,..it’s only for the press and the stupid population.
Well said!!!
Yep, Bush Jr’s # 1 job after 911 was to get his daddy’s Heroin replanted in Afghanistan before winter. And, using his daddy’s CIA to help the rebels, they did it before the regular Army could get there.
The U.S. government controls the opium trade out of Afghanistan in accord with the oversight of our colonial masters in City-of-London. THEY started the opium trade in the 1790’s. THEY found opium trade so lucrative that they farmed out THEIR slave-trade franchise to Spain and Portugal. THEY fought the Opium Wars with China to put down Chinese resistance to opium in the 1840’s and 1850’s (ya-know, when not presiding over the starvation of Irish plantation workers on English-owned plantations in Ireland, during the potato famine…that’s how my mother’s side of the family came to America, as her grandfather stowed away on a ship to America). Well the (now stealthy) British Empire managed to recapture their “Rogue Colony” U.S.A., with the help of ultra-conservative American Tory sh*t-heads operating out of Wall Street Houses of Finance (oh-so-politely called “Anglophiles”), beginning in the Post-War 1940’s , completed in the Clinton 1990’s. So, yeah, the “American” government controls the opium trade out of Afghanistan, for the benefit of the WESTERN Tory Empire and AGAINST the interests of American citizens. I gathered this historical insight from Lyndon LaRouche’s Executive Intelligence Review (EIR)…yeah, you heard me right—Lyndon LaRouche—there’s a reason WHY he’s so reviled by our treasonous, Tory Wall Street 1%er “Establishment”. He exposes their dirty laundry for all the World to see, and they hate and despise him for it. They have tried & tried taking him out over the years, but he has powerful Patriot friends in high places. The Revolution is not televised, nor commented upon apparently. It is all stealthy and covert.
There was no ‘hasty withdrawal’ out of Iraq.
Indeed, Obama sought to impose the occupation forces on Iraq even longer.
The Obama administration was forced to ‘withdraw’ on the date agreed under the Bush administration.
That ‘withdrawal’ agreement was signed by Bush admin because the Iraqi government, under heavy domestic pressure, refused to continue extending immunity to US forces for war crimes they were committing.
Though if you look at private mercinaries, special forces, ‘advisors’, contractors and the largest embassy and military base in the world – all of which remained in Iraq – the term ‘withdrawal’ itself might be worthy of re-examination.
Thank you. I get tired of Obama getting “blamed” for our hasty withdraw from Iraq when he indeed wanted to stay.
Well, Obama’s problem was he was stupid enough to go back in. Iraq isn’t even a real country just a set of lines drawn on a map while the British and the French were dividing up the “spoils” of the Ottoman Empire. It will eventually separate into three parts – Kurds, Sunni Arabs and Shia Arabs. This idea that “we left too soon” is just crazy NEO”CON” excuses for the messes they have made all over the Middle East. (BTW US troops are still in Camp Bondsteel, KOSOVO for crying out loud! For every intervention we need to keep troops forever?)
ISIS formed in Syria – spurred by the crazy NEO”CON/Obama/Clinton/Saudi drive for one more “Regime Change”. If Obama didn’t arm and fund Sunni rebels in Syria they would never have gone into Iraq in the first place.
If you think Bush or Obama have opposite agenda ‘s they do not . they are both NWO men just like Bill Clinton and most of the presidents before him too. Their ultimate goal is to have a world government under the United Nations . They and Hillary Clinton are NWO globalists