Torture’s Time for Accountability

Exclusive: America’s reputation for cognitive dissonance is being tested by the Senate report documenting the U.S. government’s torture of detainees and the fact that nothing is happening to those responsible. Ex-CIA analyst Ray McGovern says the nation must choose between crossing the Delaware or the Rubicon.

By Ray McGovern

I trust I was not alone in seeing irony in President Barack Obama’s public chiding of Sony on Friday for caving in to hacker demands to cancel distribution of its comedy “The Interview” about a fictional CIA plot to assassinate North Korea’s real-life leader Kim Jong-Un after a retaliatory cyber attack blamed on North Korea.

Rather than questioning Sony’s wisdom in producing a film that jokes about something as serious as assassinating a nation’s leader, Obama upbraided Sony’s producers for the decision to pull the movie from theaters. “I wish they had spoken to me first,” said Obama, warning them not to ”get into a pattern in which you’re intimidated.”

President Barack Obama holds a press conference in the James S. Brady Press Briefing Room of the White House. Dec. 19, 2014. (Official White House Photo by Chuck Kennedy)

President Barack Obama holds a press conference in the James S. Brady Press Briefing Room of the White House. Dec. 19, 2014. (Official White House Photo by Chuck Kennedy)

The irony that I saw was in Obama’s “tough-guy” advice just after he had been so intimidated by the real-life CIA that he could not muster the courage to fire those who managed and carried out a quite-unfunny policy of torture on an industrial scale much less try to find some way to hold senior officials of the Bush/Cheney administration accountable. However great the financial loss to Sony’s bottom line, the costs attributable to Obama’s timidity are incalculably more damaging to the United States.

Of course, the common thread between assassinations and torture is Official Washington’s disdain for international law at least as it pertains to the “exceptional” U.S. government. I suppose it might have been even more ironic if President Obama, who has overseen an actual targeted assassination program for six years, would have voiced concern about a movie making light of a made-up assassination plot.

(There was a time, especially after the 1960s, when Americans didn’t find the notion of murdering political leaders very amusing.)

Anyway, veteran UPI editor Arnaud de Borchgrave had it right on Friday when he noted that the CIA torture abuses revealed in the report released by Senate Intelligence Committee chairwoman Dianne Feinstein on Dec. 9 have “given the U.S. a geopolitical black eye of worldwide dimensions. For the average Russian, Chinese, Indian, Pakistani, African, Arab, Iranian, or any other race or nationality, America is now no better or worse than any other global scoundrel.”

Not amused by the U.S. government’s we’re-above-the-law arrogance, North Korea’s U.N. ambassador has called on the world body to investigate the CIA for subjecting captured al-Qaeda operatives to “brutal, medieval” forms of torture. (No, that is not a joke. North Korea is lecturing Washington on barbaric behavior.) It seems clear that the damage done by the CIA’s officially sanctioned torture and equally important Obama’s decision to hold the torturers harmless, leave an incalculably large, indelible stain on the U.S. reputation for defending human rights.

Crossing Our Delaware

So what happens next, after America now acknowledges having crossed the Rubicon into the practice of torture a decade ago? What to do after these abhorrent “techniques,” such as waterboarding and “rectal rehydration,” have been exposed in a redacted Senate Intelligence Committee report based on CIA cables, emails and other original documents?  (I find myself wondering whether even more sadistic outrages would be detailed in the un-redacted text of the Senate report.)

The question remains: Will the top torture criminals and their obedient lackeys from George W. Bush and Dick Cheney down to those CIA personnel and contractors “just following orders” in the CIA’s secret prisons continue to escape accountability? As things now stand, the sad answer seems to be, “Yes, unless.”

At this point, those responsible will continue to enjoy de facto immunity unless (1) they travel abroad and are apprehended and brought to justice under the principle of “universal jurisdiction” by governments more committed to enforcing international law than our own; or (2) unless we citizens summon the kind of courage shown by the “winter soldiers” of George Washington’s army who crossed the Delaware and turned the tide of battle at Christmastime 1776, leading four cold Christmases later to American freedom from British rule.

Worth noting in this connection is that Gen. George Washington imposed strong strictures against abuse of captured British and Hessian prisoners, strictures not observed by the English forces who deemed the American soldiers “traitors” and often confined them to appalling conditions aboard prison ships and in other unsanitary locations where more than 10,000 died of neglect.

Thomas Paine, one of the stalwart soldiers in Washington’s army, famously wrote during that difficult winter of 1776-77: “The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of all men and women.”

It might well be said of us that “Now is the winter of our discontent,” a time when rock-ribbed American ideals have been trampled beneath the boot of thuggish behavior and all that seems left is a swaggering haughtiness more fitting the British officer corps than our courageous “rabble in arms.”

Today’s question is whether we will be discontented enough to expose ourselves to the elements, as those “winter soldiers” were exposed, albeit “elements” of a different kind, risks to our reputations, impositions on our time, commitment of our talents and resources. But it may be our turn to repay the debt to those soldiers who overcame great odds and great hardships to create a nation based on the rule of law, not the whim of men.

Though the Founders were flawed individuals themselves and the early United States should not be idealized as a place without grave injustices there was wisdom in many of their principles, including a prohibition against “cruel and unusual punishments” in the Eighth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

They also made wise observations about America’s proper place in the world as a beacon of liberty, not as the world’s policeman. Recognizing the dangers and corruption that could come from excessive involvement in foreign conflicts, the first three presidents George Washington, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson all warned against “entangling alliances.” And years later, President John Quincy Adams, who had watched the new nation from its birth, warned that America “goes not abroad seeking monsters to destroy.”

In my view, we dishonor the memory of those courageous patriots if we leave it to other countries to do our justice for us regarding the torturers so vividly depicted in the CIA cables revealed by the Senate report. Rather, our generation is being called on to rise up against the practice of torture and other abuses drone killings, for example in such a way as to force a timid President to stop calling felons “patriots” and, instead, do his duty in holding them accountable. Stern enforcement of both U.S. and international law is the only deterrent against this kind of unconscionable abuse happening again.

During the Watergate scandal, senior officials went to jail for lying and obstructing justice. Many other politicians have faced stiff prison time for relatively petty corruption. So why should government leaders and their subordinates get a walk on such a severe crime of state as torture?

Presidential Timidity

Left to his own devices, President Obama is likely to keep putting the White House stamp on the stay-out-of-jail-free cards that he issued to the torturers when he came into office six years ago, wanting to “look forward, not backward.”

I believed then as I do now that it was because he feared for his own hide (physically as well as politically) that he carved out an exemption for the torturers. So much for discharging his Constitutional duty to “take care that the laws are faithfully executed.”

Righting this wrong will require the kind of moral courage Obama seems to lack. True, his politically risky rapprochement with Cuba announced earlier this week provided a glimmer of hope that he can finally be his own man. But let’s take him at his word that his brand of leadership comes into play only when we citizens light a fire under him. Let us gather the kindling, start the fire, and respond to his challenge to make him do the right thing.

As is painfully obvious by this stage, the battle will be uphill, largely because our supine media provide such thin gruel that, as a result, most Americans are malnourished on the truth. I suppose one can get used to virtually any indignity. Nonetheless, for me it remains highly disturbing to watch “mainstream media” give the lion’s share of air time to charlatans like Dick Cheney who, 13 years after 9/11, continue to play on the trauma of that fateful day to elicit the kind of vengeful spirit that can in far too many minds justify the unspeakable.

No matter that ethicists have traditionally placed torture, like rape or slavery, in the moral category of intrinsic evil always wrong a premise embedded in the UN Convention Against Torture to which the United States is a signatory. No matter that torture does not yield reliable intelligence. No matter that CIA documents show how CIA directors Michael Hayden and Leon Panetta lied when they told us that information from “enhanced interrogation techniques” led to the finding and killing of Osama bin Laden. [See Gareth Porter’s “How the CIA Covered Up Its Lie on Torture and bin Laden.”]

The first (and, so far as I know, the last) time Obama showed any spine dealing with the CIA was just before he became president in January 2009, when he demonstrably dissed then-CIA Director Michael Hayden. Hayden had been going around town telling folks that he warned the president-elect “personally and forcefully” that if Obama authorized an investigation into controversial activities like waterboarding, “no one in Langley will ever take a risk again.” (My source for this is what we former intelligence officers used to call an “A-1 source” completely reliable with excellent access to the information).

Consequently, Hayden did not merit a mention on Jan. 9, 2009, when President-elect Obama formally introduced Leon Panetta as his choice to replace Hayden as CIA director and Dennis Blair as director of national intelligence. Obama did announce that Mike McConnell, whom Blair replaced, had been given a sinecure/consolation prize, a seat on the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board. McConnell got the obligatory thank you; but not Hayden.

It was not only cheeky, but more than a little disingenuous that Hayden should think to advise Obama “personally and forcefully” against investigating the illegal activities authorized by President George W. Bush, since Hayden’s role in torture was already clear from publicly available information.

Hayden had loudly defended what he liked to call “high-end” interrogation techniques like waterboarding. (And last week, just three days after the Senate report was released, Georgetown law professor David Cole drew from it to recount “just three examples” of false and unsupported testimony” by Hayden.)

It was for services rendered that Bush and Cheney picked Hayden to head the CIA. As Director of NSA (1999 to 2005) he saluted sharply when Cheney told him to redact the words “probable cause” from the Fourth Amendment.

In sum, Hayden’s transgressions are book-length, but as with Professor Cole’s article space limitations prevent anything close to a complete rendering, so to speak. Apparently fearful of going beyond sending Hayden to the showers, Obama hired Leon Panetta to replace Hayden to be nominally CIA director but, in actuality, its well-connected protector.

Initially, with Panetta there seemed to be reason to expect hope and change; that expectation was short-lived. A year before Obama picked him, Panetta had written:

“We cannot simply suspend [American ideals of human rights] in the name of national security. Those who support torture may believe that we can abuse captives in certain select circumstances and still be true to our values. But that is a false compromise.

“We either believe in the dignity of the individual, the rule of law, and the prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment, or we don’t. There is no middle ground. We cannot and we must not use torture under any circumstances. We are better than that.”

Sadly, it turns out we were not, in fact, “better than that” and neither was Panetta. For his part, Panetta discharged his assigned role to defend CIA torturers with enthusiasm even overreaching in making false claims about the efficacy of “enhanced interrogation techniques.”

On that key issue, CIA Director John Brennan, speaking on Dec. 11, 2014, was more cautious, claiming the effectiveness of “enhanced interrogation techniques” was “unknowable.” At which point Sen. Feinstein moved immediately to set the record straight, tweeting that, on the contrary, it was well known that the useful intelligence from interrogation was gained from traditional interrogation approaches, well BEFORE “enhancements” were applied.

On the day after the Senate Intelligence Community report was released, lame-duck committee member Mark Udall sharply criticized Brennan for “lying” about the efficacy of torture. Udall’s parting shot was to decry the President for his permissive attitude toward Brennan and the CIA and for “making no effort at all to rein it in.”

This appraisal has been seconded by Sen. Carl Levin, D-Michigan, who openly complained last Saturday that “Brennan has gotten away with frustrating congressional oversight. He shouldn’t have gotten away with it, but so far he has.”

Obama Agonistes

Will the President continue to do his best to hold harmless those involved in torture? I expect he will out of the fear for the consequences if he tried to “rein in” the CIA. In other words, although Obama came into office determined not to allow himself to be intimidated by Hayden, he nonetheless seem to have taken Hayden’s threat seriously.

Whether Obama’s fateful decision only to “look forward” on the issue of torture was the result of simple cowardice or a naive calculation that shoving torture under the rug would help him work out a modus vivendi with Republican leaders is, at this point, academic.

The reality is that Obama blew his chance to deal with this profoundly moral, as well as legal, issue of torture at a time when this was widely expected of him. As for the Republicans whose cooperation he so patently craved, they appear to have seen in his unmistakable reluctance to expose and pursue the major crimes of Bush and Cheney a welcome sign of weakness.

Now, despite his transparent attempts to keep his distance from the horrid disclosures in the Senate committee report, Obama is enmeshed in a wide web of consequential lies. He is, ipso facto, part of a cover-up that is poisoning the minds of too-trusting Americans, while putting a big hole in what’s left of America’s reputation as a force for good in the world. He could not do this without the help of an enabling media.

What are we to make of the media? Decades ago, in an unusual moment of candor, former CIA Director William Colby was quoted as saying the CIA “owns everyone of any significance in the major media.” How much truth continues to lie beneath Colby’s hyperbole? Why is it so easy to simply mention 9/11 to evoke an attitude of vengeance? Why does that include acquiescence in horrid torture techniques, and a predisposition to believe Cheney’s lies, rather than accept the reality that our leaders ordered and conducted heinous crimes?

In my view, the polls show an acceptance on the part of most Americans for torture mostly because so many Americans simply do not read. And this is precisely why Sen. Feinstein and Sen. John McCain both appealed plaintively for us to “just read the report.”

In her trademark perceptive way, the New Yorker’s Jane Mayer laments that, when the awful facts about CIA torture came out last week, President Obama shied away from the chance given him to set the record straight. She explained it this way:

“It appeared that Obama and Brennan had a single purpose, which was to not ‘lose Langley,’ … meaning that they didn’t want to alienate those still working at the C.I.A. This calculation that C.I.A. officers … are too fragile for criticism, too valuable to fire, and too patriotic to prosecute somehow tied the Obama Administration in knots.” Mayer might have added that CIA operatives seem to be, in Obama’s ken, “too dangerous to get crosswise with.”

Similar insights jump out of a Dec. 15 article by Peter Baker and Mark Mazzetti of the New York Times. They write that when Brennan was working at the White House, neither Obama nor Brennan was eager to take on the C.I.A. very often. “The C.I.A. gets what it needs,” Obama declared at one early meeting, according to people there. “He didn’t want them to feel like he was an enemy,” said a former aide.

Brennan, for his part, was protective of CIA interests. When Panetta negotiated an agreement with the Senate Intelligence Committee for an inquiry into torture, Brennan erupted. “It did not take long to get ugly,” Panetta recalled in his memoir. “Brennan and I even exchanged sharp words.”

Brennan recognized at once that such an inquiry could well become a very large fly in the ointment. He was right about that, but he was unable to renege on the deal. After becoming CIA director last year, though, Brennan fought constantly with Democrats on the committee over the torture report and attempted to redact it to a fare-thee-well.

Relations worsened when senators accused the CIA of penetrating a computer network designated for the committee’s use, a charge that Brennan initially denied. In the end, though, the CIA inspector general admonished five agency officers and Brennan apologized. Relations remained raw; Obama stayed above the fray.

On Saturday, the New York Times reported that the panel appointed by Brennan to investigate the CIA’s search of a computer network used by the Senate staffers investigating CIA’s use of torture will (surprise, surprise) return a verdict of not guilty. Brennan’s panel reportedly has decided to defend the CIA searchers’ actions as lawful and, in some cases, done at Brennan’s behest, in effect reversing the most significant conclusions of an earlier investigation by CIA’s own inspector general.

On the issue of torture’s effectiveness, according to Baker and Mazzetti, the President’s advisers doubt that he believes the interrogation program yielded useful intelligence, but that he was unwilling to contradict Brennan.

A Natural Ally in McCain

Does the fact that Sen. John McCain was tortured as a POW, after his aircraft was downed over North Vietnam, give him unusual credibility on the issue of torture? You bet it does. Breaking ranks with fellow Republicans, defensive CIA directors and a media (including Hollywood) enamored of “enhanced interrogation techniques,” McCain followed Sen. Feinstein to the Senate floor after she introduced and distributed the report on CIA torture. He was very supportive.

More in sorrow than in anger, he conceded, “The truth is sometimes a hard pill to swallow. It sometimes causes us difficulties at home and abroad. … But the American people are entitled to it, nonetheless. …

“There was considerable misinformation … about what was and wasn’t achieved using these [enhanced interrogation] methods … There was a good amount of misinformation used in 2011 to credit the use of these methods with the death of Osama bin Laden. And there is, I fear, misinformation being used today to prevent the release of this report, disputing its findings and warning about the security consequences of their public disclosure. …

“What might come as a surprise … is how little these practices did to aid our efforts to bring 9/11 culprits to justice and to find and prevent terrorist attacks today and tomorrow. That could be a real surprise, since it contradicts the many assurances provided by intelligence officials on the record and in private that enhanced interrogation techniques were indispensable in the war against terrorism. And I suspect the objection of those same officials to the release of this report is really focused on that disclosure torture’s ineffectiveness because we gave up much in the expectation that torture would make us safer. Too much.

“Obviously, we need intelligence to defeat our enemies, but we need reliable intelligence. Torture produces more misleading information than actionable intelligence. And what the advocates of harsh and cruel interrogation methods have never established is that we couldn’t have gathered as good or more reliable intelligence from using humane methods.

“The most important lead we got in the search for bin Laden came from using conventional interrogation methods. I think it is an insult to the many intelligence officers who have acquired good intelligence without hurting or degrading prisoners to assert we can’t win this war without such methods. Yes, we can and we will.”

Thus, Obama would not be without powerful allies were he to summon the courage to bring CIA torturers to account. It appears, however, that the President still lives in fear of the shady characters at Langley.

Hence, it is up to us to mobilize the kind of action needed to change Obama’s mind. Op-eds, speeches, interviews are fine, but without action, nothing is going to happen. We need to figure out how best to confront this issue and what action(s) seem appropriate. And then we must act like winter soldiers.

Ray McGovern works with Tell the Word, a publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour in inner-city Washington. His experience, both as an Army Infantry/Intelligence officer and as a CIA analyst spanned 27 years. He now serves on the Steering Group of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS).

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12 comments for “Torture’s Time for Accountability

  1. mauisurfer
    December 24, 2014 at 15:08

    Seymour Hersh, 2004:
    “Some of the worst things that happened you don’t know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib … The women were passing messages out saying ‘Please come and kill me, because of what’s happened’ and basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror. It’s going to come out,” he said at the time.
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/12/24/391654/us-insists-on-withholding-abuse-photos/

  2. Zachary Smith
    December 21, 2014 at 02:06

    Two assumptions:

    …most Americans are malnourished on the truth.

    This first assumption can be improved with the application of a few hundred million dollars of propaganda, as in throwing sacks of **** at the fan. Americans would go from ‘malnourished’ to positively famished regarding the truth. The country becomes incredibly polarized because:

    Hence, it is up to us to mobilize the kind of action needed to change Obama’s mind. Op-eds, speeches, interviews are fine, but without action, nothing is going to happen. We need to figure out how best to confront this issue and what action(s) seem appropriate. And then we must act – like winter soldiers.

    Assume that something like this has happened too.

    How can the impasse be broken? By a Presidential Pardon from POTUS # 45.

    My first thought is that this peacemaker can’t be Hillary, for as likely as not she needs some pardoning for herself.

    Conclusion: a Respectable Republican from the woodwork (think a Gerald Ford type here) sprinkles Wholly Innocence on everybody from the beginning of 2001 to the end of 2015. Because both Republican and Democratic Administrations got this blessing, it would all be very bipartisan.

    Problem Solved. We could confidently predict that when Cheney’s rehabilitation was complete, he’d get his very own stamp. Just like with Nixon.

  3. Abe
    December 20, 2014 at 23:19

    Michael C. Ruppert, a former Los Angeles Police Department officer, was the author of Crossing The Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil, published in September 2004.

    In Crossing the Rubicon, Ruppert asserted that Vice President Dick Cheney, the US government, and Wall Street had a well-developed awareness of and colluded with the perpetrators of 9/11.

    A controversial investigative journalist, Ruppert maintained that his research dealt “with ‘conspiracy fact’ rather than theory”.

    In Crossing the Rubicon, Ruppert accurately observed:

    “By the time the Kean Commission’s final report was released, a crucial principle of democratic government called “separation of powers” had quietly vanished. Nobody within the government seemed willing or able to defy the executive’s mythical narrative of 9/11, even while the executive used the implications of that Big Lie to justify its every move. Massive war appropriations, the Patriot Acts, intelligence “reform,” Camp X-Ray at Guantanamo Bay, prison torture abroad, domestic roundups and detentions of Arabs and South Asians, and a hundred tangentially related usurpations of the powers Constitutionally reserved for the legislature and the judiciary — all were driven through by appeals to the official story of 9/11. It seems there are no independent voices of authority remaining outside the Empire’s control to challenge, temper or place limits on Imperial crimes and ambitions.

    “There is only yet another Patrician seeking to replace Caesar on the throne and wear the Imperial purple.”

    In a chapter of Crossing The Rubicon, aptly titled “We Don’t Need No Badges”, Ruppert specifically addressed the US government’s use of torture (pp.475-476):

    “In this mad scramble for the finish line, the Empire has also sanctioned torture, calling it by the Orwellian name “rendition.” In cases where extreme brutality is
    deemed necessary, the CIA and the Pentagon have resorted to tactics that are well established in covert operations and extremely well described in former CIA case officer Philip Agee’s 1975 book, Inside the Company: CIA Diary. It gives the people it wants severely tortured to agents from other countries. As one unnamed official put it to the Washington Post, “We don’t kick the [expletive] out of them. We send them to other countries so they can kick the [expletive] out of them.”

    “Following that, the United States, through another major Iran-Contra player — [then] UN Ambassador John Negroponte — has demanded immunity from prosecution for war crimes in the International Criminal Court. In a June 2002 bombshell dropped on the UN Security Council, Negroponte said that unless it was granted immunity on peacekeeping missions the US would refuse to participate in any more of them. In the Orwellian Newspeak of today’s world, the invasion of Iraq, articulated as an enforcement of UN resolutions, could be described as a peacekeeping mission. And since the US has already stated that it will start conflicts wherever necessary, it has become the extorting arsonist in charge of the fire department.

    “I was not surprised at all when, in the spring of 2004, the Bush administration nominated Negroponte to become the US Ambassador to the façade of an Iraqi government and congress rolled over without a whimper.

    “Fortunately […] the Bush regime and the Neocons overplayed their hand to the displeasure of those who put them in power. While it is likely that the regime will be replaced, either electorally or through impeachment, the Empire/Corporation and its ultimate objectives will remain intact.”

    Unfortunately, Bush did not depart from the throne in 2004. The Patrician who replaced him in 2008 has extended this criminal legacy while the Empire/Corporation has carried on business as usual.

  4. Jim Solomon
    December 20, 2014 at 22:24

    Did anyone else catch a Leonard Lopate interview back soon after 9/11 with a military officer who was an expert in the newest and most effective interrogation techniques? He talked about how making friends and encouraging trust was the best way to get information. It sounded like a very American way to get information and bought it. I wonder if Lopate ever had the man back on his show to ask what had happened.

  5. Joe Tedesky
    December 20, 2014 at 21:39

    I see the release of the Feinstein Torture Report as a way of flushing out the tubes. In other words, having this conversation will once again make us whole. Even though this sunlight will leave a large shadow, the point of it all will be, we had our ‘talk’. Life will go on, and we Americans are exceptional…aren’t we?

    Consider our history at this game. When it came to the JFK assassination, well we got the Warren Report. No one seems to know that on December 8 1999 that a Memphis jury found that the MLK assassination was a government conspriracy. Then there is the 9/11 Commission Report. Anyone who disagrees with the 9/11 findings is a ‘Truther’. Not finding WMD in Iraq has become a joke…no I really mean it has become a punchline. So, why would we expect anything real to become of this torture issue?
    radzLCCpu4mY
    Below is something I posted a week ago. I recommend you read about these guys I mention here. They are a fine example of how information maybe extracted from enemy prisoners during a time of war.
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    Joe Tedesky on December 11, 2014 at 10:35 pm said:
    I would recommend you read about two people who did interrogations in a humane and morale way. One was a WWII German officer by the name of Hanns-Joachim Gettlob Schraff. The other was an American who worked in the Pacific theatre, and his name is Sherwood Ford Moran. Both of these fellows were so good at doing their job, that their captives didn’t even realize they were giving up information.

    Schraff would ask his prisoner 3 questions. Schraff knew the correct answer to the first two questions, then on the 3rd question he would purposely give the wrong answer. Almost always his attentive prisoner would be quick to correct Schraff with the correct answer. Of course Schraff never knew the right answer, but his method of interrogation always got him the right information he was looking to get.

    Moran had lived in Japan, and had a common knowledge of the Japanese cutlture. He actually interrogated his Japanese captives right behind the front lines. . With his way of interacting with the prisoner he gained much needed information. Like Schraff , Moran’s prisoners didn’t realize just what secrets they were giving away.

    Neither Schraff nor Moran tortured anyone. Their method of learning enemy secrets was done in the most clever ways. What’s that about catching more bees with honey? Well, Google these guys names, and read about them.

    • Bill Bodden
      December 21, 2014 at 14:10

      Not finding WMD in Iraq has become a joke…

      Non-existent WMDs was, in fact, the theme of a squalid attempt at humor by Bush at the Radio and Television Correspondents Association dinner in 2004. Only one guest/correspondent, David Corn, now of Mother Jones, had the integrity to walk out over this obscenity. Video shows many of Washington’s elite, on the other hand, found it hilarious.

  6. F. G. Sanford
    December 20, 2014 at 20:14

    Ray – The truth seems to be slowly seeping out, like the stinking juices from a rotting corpse. The administration, along with its co-opted flunkies in mainstream media, are trying to dig a shallow grave and conceal the evidence as fast as they can. It’s likely they will succeed, but the putrid aroma will continue to belie the official accounts. As the noose appears to tighten, the creepy coterie of political, financial, ideological and pathological actors becomes less and less able to disappear into the crowd of faceless bureaucratic anonymity. They are beginning to look more and more like the strange neighbors who inhabit the crumbling, mysterious old house at the end of the street.

    Recent revelations about the “Ice Queen” of torture, her identity, her role in proscribing the identities of terrorists, her colleague who served as Hayden’s chief of the SIGINT Division and who withheld intercepted communications merit much more attention. Her husband, who worked for both “The Heritage Foundation” and “The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies”, represents a mirror image of the reticle of incestuous links between think-tanks, the security agencies and The State Department sycophants who orchestrated the Maidan Coup. Layered on top of that are the bogus resource exploitation and financial derivatives opportunities which, by some mysterious coincidence, fell into the laps of former State Department officials and friends and relatives of current administration cronies. Destabilization efforts in Venezuela and Brazil are ongoing, and operations against Cuba are certainly “in the works”. In short, nothing has changed.

    These interrelationships have become no more invisible than the obvious connections between David Ferrie, Clay Shaw, “Maurice Bishop”, George De Mohrenschildt, “Poppy” Bush, and Lee Harvey Oswald. But unless some august body of professionals with the appropriate credentials and intimate knowledge of internal mechanisms is willing to grab the public’s attention, all this will remain in the speculative realm of “conspiracy theory”. That term, coined by the very organization at the heart of the charade, will continue to provide sufficient immunity. Once again, the “clock will be run out” in order to hide the truth. The truth, I suspect, would subject many in this and former administrations to those same indignities that preclude police officers from being convicted of murdering Black men. They would be sent to places largely reserved for their victims. That would subject them to the dirty little secret of the American penal system: “Rectal feeding”. In those facilities it’s a routine occurrence. I’d like to see VIPS take an “official position” on the Kennedy Assassination. That might generate some public momentum. Unless the “conspiracy theory” stigma can be broken, no progress is likely. Democracy will remain a facade, and “Who’s really in charge” will remain a mystery. It’s way past time to dig up the cellar in that creepy old house. You guys are the only ones with the appropriate shovels.

  7. mauisurfer
    December 20, 2014 at 19:42

    (I find myself wondering whether even more sadistic outrages would be detailed in the un-redacted text of the Senate report.)
    I find myself wondering what was in the torture tapes that CIA destroyed
    in violation of law.
    Anybody know what they showed? rape? sodomy? mutilation?
    Somebody must know, so fill us in on the truth about our government.

    • mauisurfer
      December 23, 2014 at 13:50

      now is see what usa is still hiding, perhaps what was in the tapes that CIA destroyed

      Were NATO Dogs Used to Rape Afghan Prisoners at Bagram Air Base?
      > Though his account of dogs being used to rape prisoners at Bagram is unconfirmed, the practice is not without precedent. Female political prisoners of former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet’s jails have described their torturers using dogs to rape them.
      > More recently, Lawrence Wright, the author of the acclaimed history of Al Qaeda, “The Looming Tower,” told National Public Radio’s Terry Gross, “One of my FBI sources said that he had talked to an Egyptian intelligence officer who said that they used the dogs to rape the prisoners. And it would be hard to tell you how humiliating it would be to any person, but especially in Islamic culture where dogs are such a lowly form of life. It’s, you know, that imprint will never leave anybody’s mind.”

  8. Bill Bodden
    December 20, 2014 at 19:03

    Given this and other calls for accountability and President Obama’s repeated statements that no one is above the law it should just be a matter of days before the barrel of rotten apples responsible for knocking the United States off its once justified, if only briefly, moral perch is hauled off to court.

  9. December 20, 2014 at 18:36

    There obviously needs to be a march on Washington and all around the country. A coalition of Anti-torturers and Anti-police abuse activists has been proposed, under a banner calling for Justice in America. My problem, reflecting the nation’s problem, is that there should be the addition of another unmentionable segment of the population–9/11 truthers.

    Which raises a troublesome notion. Why did Mr. McGovern ignore 9/11 Truth in this article when he asked rhetorically what should be made of the media. Was he not in the slightest provoked by Chuck Todd’s failure to respond to Cheney’s robust provocation equating torture to victimhood on 9/11 when there is AT LEAST A QUESTION TO BE ASKED concerning Cheney’s complicity in the attacks. McGovern, though completely aware of Mineta’s testimony indicting Cheney, in 2006 appeared unwilling to get from Mineta’s testimony to Cheney guilt; why? Not that Mineta’s testimony should be viewed in a vacuum; there is a mountain of corroborating information; see vealetruth.com, “Conclusion of Gallop v. Cheney.” The assumption that McGovern expressed then, in a question to MIneta, was that Cheney had allowed the plane to strike the Pentagon. What is the innocent interpretation of that fact? There can be no real justice in this country without 9/11 justice. Can Mr. McGovern respond to this claim? Can he enlighten the world concerning his apparent failure to convince Mr. Parry of 9/11Truth?

  10. Bill Bodden
    December 20, 2014 at 15:24

    Judging by the trailers “The Interview” appears to be another juvenile attempt at humor and runs the risk of having serious consequences. If, as we are told, Kim Jong-Un was responsible for executing his uncle and many others it seems reasonable to presume he would not find his own, if only fictional, assassination funny and might just decide to take his umbrage out on some hapless Americans who might be in North Korea at the wrong time.

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